OJ77T1 - 在「智慧」之中有着彻底的安全 home
第一次公开演讲
欧亥,美国
1977年4月2日

0:29 I don’t quite know how to begin these talks. As there are going to be six talks and seven discussions, I’d like to point out, if I may, that we are going to think over together our problems. We’re going to use reason, clear thinking, and not any kind of assertive beliefs, opinions, judgements, or any form of conclusion. And, therefore, it becomes rather serious. It’s not an entertainment, a morning off or an afternoon, Saturday and Sunday, but, rather, a serious gathering to consider, very deeply, the many human conflicts, problems, sorrows, pleasures, fears, and the nature of meditation and so on. We’re going to go into all these talks, into all these matters. 0:29 我不太清楚要如何开始这一系列演讲。 由于我们将会有六场演讲和七次讨论会, 所以如果可以的话,我想要指出的是 我们将会一起来仔细思考我们的问题。 我们将会运用理性、清晰的思维, 而不是任何武断的信仰、观点、判断, 或者任何形式的结论。 因此,这件事就变得相当严肃了。 它并不是娱乐, 它不是周六和周日 一个上午或一个下午的休息, 而是一次很严肃的聚会, 我们将会非常深入地来探讨 人类无数的冲突、问题、 痛苦、快乐、恐惧, 以及冥想的本质,等等。 我们将会在所有这些演讲中, 来深入讨论这一切。
2:16 But, first, I’d like to point out, if I may, the speaker is not trying to convince you of anything. Please believe it. He’s not persuading you to think along his particular line. Again, please believe it. He’s not offering a particular set of ideologies, nor beliefs, nor conclusions, because these have separated the world, human beings, one against the other. So, we’re not in any way concerned with any of those matters, neither belief, conclusion, opinions or judgements. 3:10 But we are going together, and we mean together, you and the speaker, carefully, objectively, to look what is happening around us, not romantically, not sentimentally, but just to observe, without any conclusion, without offering any opinion, but just to look and reason together, think over together. And I think it’s very important to understand that word ‘together.’ Most of us are accustomed to go to meetings or gatherings of this kind, either to accept what the speaker is saying or to reject, one opinion or one idea against another, or persuade you, through clever argumentation, to follow or accept what he’s saying. 4:45 And, therefore, we are thinking together over these problems, sharing together. And this is really very important to understand, if I may go on with it, because one is apt to listen as though somebody was talking out there, and you’re casually accepting or denying. 2:16 但首先——如果可以的话—— 我想要指出一点: 那就是演讲者(指克氏自己)并没有试图 说服你们任何事情。 请相信这一点。 他并没有在劝说你 按照他特定的思路去思考。 请同样相信这一点。 他并不是在为你们提供 一套特定的意识形态, 也没有提供任何信仰或结论, 因为这些东西已经分裂了这个世界, 让人类彼此对抗。 所以我们关心的绝不是这些东西, 不是信仰、不是结论, 也不是观点或判断。 3:10 而是我们将要一起去…… 注意是“我们一起”, 你和演讲者(一起去)仔细地、客观地 观察我们周围正在发生的事情, 不要带着浪漫化的、或多愁善感的情绪, 而只是去观察它们, 不要下任何结论, 也不要给出任何观点意见, 只是一起去看然后理性推论, 一起去仔细思考它。 我认为理解「一起」这个词 是非常重要的。 我们大多数人已经习惯于参加 这类聚会或集会了, 而我们要么接受了演讲者说的东西, 要么我们会拒绝它, 某种意见或观点对抗另一种意见观点, 或者演讲者会通过聪明的论证 来说服你 听从或接受他所说的东西。 4:45 因此我们正在一起 仔细思考这些问题, 一起分享它们。 而理解这一点真的非常重要, 如果我可以继续讲一下它的话, 因为我们倾向于以这种方式来聆听: 那就是某个人在那里讲, 然后你只是漫不经心地 接受或否定他的话。
5:16 So, it seems to me, that’s your responsibility, responsibility being that you undertake, seriously, to think together, to find out the accurate, true solutions to these problems that we human beings are tormented with. So, it behoves, on the part of each one of us, that reasoning, the capacity to think logically, sanely, wholly, becomes very important. We’re apt to think anything that’s the product of reason, clear thinking, is too intellectual and, therefore, not for each one of us. 6:32 But on the contrary, I feel if we can think, observe, reason together, putting aside our personal conclusions, opinions, evaluations, what we like and what we don’t like, what we’re attracted to and so on, if we can put aside all those things, and are able to think together, deeply, sanely, that is, objectively, wholly, then, I think, we shall be able to deeply transform ourselves. Because, when one goes round the world, as the speaker does, from India, Europe, and here, one sees great sorrow, wars, violence, all kinds of stupidities, terrorism, killing, drugs. 8:05 You know what is happening, as well as I do. And we’re accepting these, as though they’re inevitable. And, as most of us are traditionally minded, we naturally and easily put up with these things. Or we revolt against them. But that revolt is a reaction, like Communism is a reaction to Capitalism, or Fascism. 5:16 所以在我看来,这是你的责任: 那就是 你要认真严肃地去做这件事, 去一起思考, 去发现这些问题准确的、 真正的解决方案, 这些问题正在折磨着我们人类。 所以,理所当然的, 对于我们每一个人来说, 这种理性, 这种去逻辑地、健全地、 整体地思考的能力, 就变得非常重要了。 我们很容易认为任何理性的、 清晰思考的产物, 都太过于“知识分子”了, 因此并不适合于我们每一个人。 6:32 但恰恰相反,我觉得如果我们可以 一起去思考、观察和理性论证, 将我们个人的结论、 观点和评价放在一边, 将我们的喜好与厌恶, 将那些吸引我们的东西等等放在一边, 如果我们可以把所有这一切放在一边, 并且能够一起去深刻地、理智地思考, 换句话说就是去客观地、整体性地思考, 那么我认为我们就可以 深刻地转变我们自己了。 因为当一个人环游世界时 ——就像演讲者一样, 从印度、欧洲再到这里(美国加州的欧亥), 他会看到深重的苦难、战争、暴力, 所有各种愚蠢的行为, 恐怖主义、杀戮、毒品。 8:05 你们和我一样 都很清楚正在发生的事情。 而我们接受了这一切 ——就好像它们是不可避免的一样。 此外,由于我们大多数人的思想 都很传统, 于是我们会很自然、很容易地 容忍所有这些事情。 或者我们会奋起反抗它们。 但这种反抗只是一种「反应」, 就像共产主义是对于 资本主义或法西斯主义的一种「反应」。
8:56 So, without revolt, without going against something, and forming our own little group or communes, or following a particular guru or another guru, from India, or from this country, and they are bursting like mushrooms all over the world, these gurus, unfortunately. But, if we could, without accepting any kind of authority, because in spiritual matters there is no authority, there is no guru, there is no priest, there are no sanctions. And this is very important to understand if we are going to go, together, investigating into all these problems that we human beings have had, centuries upon centuries, generation after generation. 10:16 So, first, if one may point out, there is no authority here. We are friends, two friends, talking over together our conflicts, our uncertainties, our travail, the things that we human beings go through in our life, and end in death, without understanding what it is all about, or committed to a particular action, thinking that it will solve all our human conflicts and miseries and fears. 8:56 所以,让我们不要去反抗, 不要去反对某个东西, 然后建立起我们自己的小团体或小社群, 或者追随这个或那个古鲁 ——不管是来自印度的、还是来自这个国家的古鲁, 如今这些古鲁在全世界 像雨后春笋般地冒出来, 这真是一件不幸的事。 但如果我们可以不接受任何权威, 因为在灵性的事情上 并不存在任何权威, 没有古鲁、没有牧师、 没有(基督教会的)法令。 明白这一点是非常重要的 ——如果我们要一起去深入 和探究所有这些我们人类 无数世纪、世世代代以来 一直存在的问题的话。 10:16 所以首先,如果允许我指出的话: 这里并没有什么权威。 我们是朋友,就像两个朋友, 在一起讨论 我们的冲突、我们的不确定、 我们的艰难痛苦, 那些我们人类在生命中会经历的事情, 最后我们死了, 却不知道这一切是怎么回事, 或者我们会致力于某种行动, 并认为它可以解决 我们人类所有的冲突、苦难和恐惧。
11:05 When that is clearly and definitely understood, that there is no authority, the speaker has no authority whatsoever, though he may be sitting on a platform, because that’s merely for convenience, so that we can all see each other. But a little height doesn’t give him any authority. And so, don’t put him into authority, place him into, give him authority. And I really mean this, because in psychological matters which we are going to investigate, very deeply together, there is no authority, whether it is the European psychologists or the modern psychologists or the gurus or the books, or the saviours, ancient or modern, in that field of psychology to accept authority, is to deny clarity, clear thinking, logic and to be sane and, therefore, whole. 12:37 The word ‘whole’ implies having good health, having sanity, and also it implies h-o-l-y, holy. So, when we use the word ‘whole,’ holistic, it implies all that – health, sanity, clarity, and that which is holy, complete. So, as we were saying, in the psychological field, as there is no authority, we are putting aside all that people have told us – if you can – which is very difficult, and examine, step by step, again, if we can, into the enormous problem of existence, of our daily living. 11:05 当我们清楚地、 明确地理解了这一点: 那就是并不存在什么权威, 演讲者没有任何的权威性, 尽管他也许正坐在讲台上, 但这只是为了方便一些, 因为这样我们大家就可以看见彼此。 但这“一点点的高度” 并不能赋予他任何权威性。 所以不要把他当成权威, 把他归为权威,赋予他权威。 我是很认真说这话的, 因为在人类心理的领域 ——我们即将一起来非常深入地探究它—— 在心理领域是不存在权威的, 无论是欧洲的心理学家 还是现代的心理学家, 还是古鲁、圣典, 或者古代或现代的救世主们, 在心理的领域,去接受权威 就是在否定清明, 否定清晰的思考,否定逻辑性, 否定心智健全,从而否定了「整体」。 12:37 「整体」这个词意味着身体的健康, 心智健全,它同样意味着h-o-l-y,神圣。 所以当我们使用「整体」这个词时,那种整体性, 它就蕴含了所有这些意思 ——健康、健全、清明, 那种神圣的、完整的事物。 所以,就如我们刚才所说的: 在心理的领域中, 并没有什么权威, 因此我们要把所有别人告诉我们的东西 都放在一边 ——如果你可以的话—— 但这是非常难的, 然后再次,如果我们可以的话, 去一步一步地检视 这个关于我们日常生活和「存在」的巨大问题。
13:49 Psychologically, inwardly, we human beings, wherever we are, are the world, psychologically. The world is us, the world is me and I am the world. And that is a psychological, absolute fact. Though you may have white skin, brown skin or black skin or whatever it is, outwardly, affluent, rich, prosperous, many cars, all the rest of it. Or you may be very poor, but inwardly, deep down, we’re all the same. We suffer, we’re lonely, we’re in sorrow, conflict, misery, confusion, depending on somebody to tell us what to do, how to think, what to think. 15:12 We are slaves to propaganda, from the various churches and various religions, sects – that’s what’s happening, all over the world, not only politically, by the experts, by the governments and so on, but inwardly, deep down, we are slaves to propaganda, we are conditioned human beings, whether we live in India, America or here. 13:49 从心理上的、内在的角度来讲, 我们人类——无论我们是哪里的人—— 我们就是这个世界,从心理上来讲。 这个世界就是我们, 这个世界就是我,而我就是这个世界。 这是一个心理学上的 确凿无疑的事实。 尽管你也许是白皮肤的人, 棕色皮肤的人或者黑人, 或者无论外在看起来是什么人, 富足、有钱、成功, 拥有很多汽车,等等这些。 或者你可能非常贫穷, 但内在而言,内心深处, 我们都是一样的。 我们都在受苦,我们都很孤独, 我们处于痛苦和冲突之中, 我们很悲惨,我们很困惑, 我们依赖别人来告诉我们该怎么做, 该如何思考,该思考什么。 15:12 我们是「洗脑宣传」的奴隶, 来自于各种教会、宗教和教派的宣传 ——这就是全世界正在发生的事情, 不只是政治上的宣传 ——被那些专家,被政府等等宣传洗脑, 内在而言,在内心深处, 我们也是「洗脑宣传」的奴隶, 我们是饱受制约的人类, 不管我们生活在印度、 美国还是这里。
15:50 I hope that one realises that, not intellectually, not verbally, because that has very little meaning, but actually see the fact of it, that you, living in America, with all the riches, marvellous country, crazy people, drug-minded, you know, all that’s happening in this country, the violence, the brutality, the divisive communes, based on their beliefs and so on. But, when you sweep all that aside, put all that aside, whether here or in India or in Europe, we go through the same mill of misfortune, uncertainty, deep sorrow. 16:53 So, we are actually, psychologically, the world, and the world is you. Once you realise this fact, not verbally, not ideologically, or as a statement of fact, but actually, deeply feel the fact, realise the fact, that you are not different from the other, however far away he is – inwardly – because he suffers enormously, he’s terribly frightened, uncertain, insecure, both physiologically, as well as psychologically. 15:50 我希望你们能意识到这一点, 不是在智力上、 也不是口头文字上认识到它, 因为这是没有什么意义的, 而是真正地看到这其中的事实, 那就是:你们生活在美国,富得流油, 多么美好的国家, 人们很狂热,人们想要吸毒,你们都知道的,所有发生在这个国家的事情, 那些暴力、那些残忍, 基于各自的信仰的分裂的群体,等等。 然而当你把这一切都扫除掉, 把所有这些都放在一边, 不管是在这里、印度还是欧洲, 我们都在经历着同样的不幸、 不确定和深重的苦难。 16:53 所以实际上, 我们从心理上来说就是这个世界, 而这个世界就是你。 一旦你认识到这个事实, 不是口头文字上、意识形态上认识到它, 或者只是把它视为某种事实陈述, 而是真正地、深刻地感受到这个事实, 意识到这一事实:即你和他人 并没有什么不同, 不管那个人是在多么遥远的地方 ——你们内在并没有区别—— 因为他也在承受巨大的苦难, 他也非常的害怕、 充满不确定、没有安全感 ——不管是生理上的安全感, 还是心理上的安全感。
18:00 And, when you realise that, and in examination of that realisation you’re not concerned with your little self, you’re concerned with the total human being. You understand this? With the total humanity, which is you, because you are the world. So, when we are talking about these matters, we are concerned with the human being, not with Mr X or Y or somebody else, because he’s the total psychological entity, as a human being, wherever he lives. I hope this is clear. This is factual. You may be conditioned in a particular way, you may be Catholic, a Protestant, God knows what else you are, Baptists and, you know, Jesus-minded – you’re conditioned. 19:12 And in India, it is the same, they are conditioned by thousands of years of certain kinds of beliefs, superstitions, ideas, gods and all the rest of it. But, below that conditioning, in the depth of their human mind, when they’re alone, when they are facing life, there is sorrow, there is pain, there is grief, there is anxiety. 18:00 而当你了悟到这一点, 那么在检视这种了悟的过程中, 你就不会关心你那渺小的「自我」了, 你会关心整个人类。 你们理解了吗? 关心全人类——也就是你自己, 因为你就是这个世界。 所以当我们在谈论这些事情的时候, 我们关心的是人类, 不是张三或李四,或者别的什么人, 因为作为人类的一员, 他就是包含全人类心理的存在体, 无论他生活在哪里。 我希望这点已经清楚了。 这是符合事实的。 你或许以某种方式受到了制约, 你也许是一个天主教徒、一个新教徒, 或者天知道别的什么东西, 浸礼宗教徒,你知道的,满脑子都是耶稣 ——你们都受到了制约。 19:12 而在印度,情况也是一样, 印度人被成千上万年以来的 特定的信仰、 迷信、理念、神明等等所制约。 然而在这种制约背后, 在他们人类内心的深处, 当他们孤独的时候, 当他们面对生活的时候, 他们也会有悲伤、痛苦、悲痛、焦虑。
19:50 So, you are the world and the world is you. And, when one sees that as an actual, irrevocable fact, then you begin to think entirely differently, then you begin to observe, not as a person, individual having troubles and anxieties, but the whole entire humanity is having it. Then it gives you an extraordinary strength. I don’t know if you follow all this. It gives you extraordinary vitality. Then you are not alone, you are the entire history of mankind, if you know how to read that book, which is you. 19:50 所以,你就是这个世界,这个世界就是你。 当我们把它看作是一个真实的、 不可更改的事实时, 那么你就会开始以完全不同的方式思考, 那时你就会开始观察, 不是作为一个有着 各种苦恼和焦虑的个人或个体, 而是整个人类都拥有这些东西。 那么它就会带给你一种非凡的力量。 我不知道你们是否理解了这一切。 他会带给你非凡的活力。 那时你就不是孤单一人, 你就是整个人类的历史, 如果你知道如何阅读那本书 ——也就是你自己——的话。
20:49 And that’s what we are going to do, we’re going to read, together, the history of mankind, enshrined in you, as a human being. This is not rhetoric, this is not a verbal explosion, but a serious factor we’re deeply concerned with, a fact which we deny, because we think we are so individualistic, we are so concerned with ourselves, with our petty little problems, with our little gurus, with our little beliefs. But when you realise an extraordinary fact, then it gives you tremendous strength, a great urgency to investigate and transform oneself because you are mankind. And, when there is such transformation, you affect the whole consciousness of man. 22:22 I don’t know if you realise this. You actually affect the whole consciousness of man because you are the entire humanity, and, when you change, fundamentally, deeply, when there is psychological revolution in you, then, naturally, as you are part of that consciousness of a human being which is the rest of the humanity, the consciousness of the world is affected. You see the reason of this, the logic of this? Your consciousness is affected by the various prophets, the various warmongers: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, you know, all these people have affected mankind, but we’re not aware of it. 20:49 而这就是我们将要做的事情, 我们将会一起来阅读人类的历史, 这段历史就深藏在 作为人类一员的「你」身上。 这并不是浮夸之词, 这并不是耸人听闻,吸引眼球, 而是一个我们深切关注的重要因素, 一个被我们所否认的事实, 因为我们都认为自己非常个人主义, 我们是如此关心我们自己, 关心我们自己那些琐碎的小问题, 关心我们卑微的古鲁、我们卑微的信仰。 然而当你意识到这个非凡的事实, 它就会给予你巨大的力量, 你会非常迫切地去探究和转变你自己, 因为你就是全人类。 而当有了这样的转变后, 你就影响了人类的整体意识。 22:22 我不知道你们是否明白了它。 你确实会影响人类的整体意识, 因为你就是整个人类, 而当你发生了根本性的、深刻的转变, 当你内在发生了一场 心理上的革命, 那时很自然地, 由于你是那种人类意识的一部分 ——也就是所有其他人的意识, 于是全世界的意识也会受到影响了。 你们看到这其中的理性, 这其中的逻辑了吗? 你们的意识已经被各种先知影响了, 被各种战争贩子影响了: 希特勒、墨索里尼、斯大林, 你知道的,所有这些人已经影响了全人类, 但我们并没有意识到这一点。
23:47 And, what we’re going to do together, during these talks, is to penetrate the layers of our consciousness, and investigate whether it is possible to transform the content of our consciousness and out of that, a different dimension of energy and clarity may come into being. That’s what we’re concerned with, and therefore it’s a serious matter, not to be played with. If you’re not interested, if you are not serious, don’t waste your time coming here. 24:48 It’s a waste of your energy, and I really mean it, because this is very, very, very serious, and it is voluntary, not a thing that you are persuaded or rewarded, because our conditioning is reward and punishment. But, in investigating our consciousness, which is the entire consciousness of mankind, we are delving into ourselves, and from there discover, come upon what is truth. 23:47 而在这几次演讲中,我们就要一起来 洞察了解我们意识的各个层次, 并探究一下我们是否可能 转变我们意识的内容, 而从这之中,或许就会出现一个不同的、 充满能量与清明的维度。 这才是我们所关心的事情, 因此这是一件很严肃的事情, 它可不是儿戏。 如果你对它不感兴趣, 如果你没有严肃认真的态度, 那就不要浪费时间来这里了。 24:48 这是在浪费你的精力, 我是说真的, 因为这件事是非常非常严肃的, 它是自愿自发的,而不是一件 你被说服或得到奖励的事情, 因为奖励和惩罚会制约我们。 然而就在调查探究我们意识的过程中 ——我们的意识就是人类的全部意识—— 我们就是在深入探究我们自己, 然后由此去发现、去邂逅「真理」。
25:48 Having laid that, said all that, which is necessary, which is, probably, one of the most important things, which is the first step and, therefore, the last step, let us begin by investigating what human beings demand, what human beings basically, fundamentally, inwardly demand, ask. Which is, what is it that, as a human being, who is the representative of the world, and therefore he is the world – psychologically – what is the most, innermost demand of such a human being? Don’t answer me, please. This is a question we have put, so that we can think about it together. 25:48 在打下了这个基础,说完了所有这些以后 ——这是很有必要的, 并且可能是最重要的事情之一, 它是第一步,因而也是最后一步, 让我们从探究人类的需求开始吧, 基本上来说,从根本上来说, 人类内心所需要的、诉求的东西是什么。 也就是:作为一个人 ——这个人也代表了全世界, 因此他就是这个世界—— 这个人在心理上, 他内心最深处的需求是什么? 请大家不要回答我。 这是一个我们提出来的问题, 由此我们便可以一起去思考它。
27:09 Most human beings, in one part of their consciousness, want to find both biological, physiological, as well as psychological security. Because you must have food, clothes and shelter. That’s an absolute necessity. But also, we want, we demand, we crave, we search for psychological security. To be psychologically certain about everything. Look into yourself, observe, use the speaker, if I may point out, as a mirror. The words which he’s using are merely description, but the description is not the described. 28:33 Right? Therefore, you are looking at yourself and finding out what is the innermost demand that you want, that human beings want. And this whole struggle in the world, both psychologically, as well as physiologically, is to find security. No? The word ‘security’ means to be secure, your physical permanency, physically to be well, physically to continue, advance, grow, whatever it is – and psychologically, inwardly, to find security, to find something that is permanent, because everything, psychologically, if you observe very carefully, is very impermanent. 30:06 Your relationships, psychologically, are terribly uncertain. You may be temporarily secure in your relationship with another, man, woman and all the rest of it, temporarily. But that very temporary security is the very danger of it being, becoming, completely insecure. 27:09 绝大多数人,他们意识中的某一部分, 会渴望寻得生物学上的、生理上的安全, 以及心理上的安全感。 因为你必须要有食物、衣服和住所。 它们绝对是必需的。 但我们同样也想要…… 我们也会要求、渴望, 和寻找心理上的安全。 心理上对于一切事物感到确定。 去探究一下你自己,去观察一下, 利用演讲者——如果允许我指出的话——来作为一面镜子。 演讲者所使用的文字仅仅是描述, 然而文字描述并不是那个「被描述的东西」。 28:33 对吧?因此,你正在审视你自己, 然后去发现内心最深处的需求是什么, 这种需求是你所渴望的, 是人类所渴望的。 而这个世界上的全部的挣扎斗争 ——不管是心理上的挣扎斗争, 还是生理上的挣扎斗争—— 都是为了找到安全。 难道不是吗? 「安全」这个词意味着:能够确保 你身体的永久性, 身体的健康, 肉体能够延续、发展、成长, 或者无论什么 ——并且在心理上,在内心, 也能找到安全感, 找到某种永恒不变的事物, 因为一切心理上的事物 ——如果你非常仔细地去观察一下—— 都是非常短暂的。 30:06 你的各种人际关系——从心理层面来说——是极其不确定的。 你也许能够在与别人的关系中 暂时感到安全, 和一个男人、女人等等的关系 ——暂时的。 然而这种非常短暂的安全感本身 是非常危险的, 因为它会变得彻底的不安全。
30:35 Do please examine it. Don’t accept it. We are thinking over, together, we are reasoning. To see the logic, the reason, the sanity of it, not because the speaker asserts it, not because he has some beastly reputation, because all those things are irrelevant when you are really going into something very, very serious. 30:35 请你们务必去检视一下它。不要接受这种说法。 我们正在一起仔细思考, 我们正在理性论证。 去看到这其中的逻辑、理性和明智, 不是因为演讲者的断言, 也不是因为他拥有一些可恶的声望, 因为所有这些东西都是无关紧要的 ——在你真正去深入探究 某个非常非常严肃的问题时。
31:15 So, one asks, is there any security, psychologically, at all? That is, one seeks psychological security in the family. We’ll go step by step into it – in the family, the family being the wife, the children. There you try to find in the wife, a relationship that will be secure, lasting, permanent, permanent being relatively, because there is always death. And, not always finding it, there are divorces, quarrels and all the misery, jealousies, anger, hatred that goes on. You must be aware of all this, aren’t you? 32:41 And also, one tries to find security in a community, with a group of people, with the communes, large or small. One tries to find security in the world, a nation. I’m an American, I’m a Hindu, that gives a tremendous sense of being identified with a group and, therefore, secure. Do, please, as we said, listen to it, not reject it. There may be reason behind it, or there might not, but a serious man examines, doesn’t reject or accept. 31:15 所以我们要问:究竟是否存在 任何心理上的安全? 换句话说:我们会在家庭中 寻求心理上的安全。 我们将会一步一步地来深入它 ——在家庭中寻求它,这里的“家庭”指的是你的妻子、你的孩子。 你会试图在妻子身上找到一种 让你感觉安全的关系, 一种持久的、永恒的关系 ——这里的“永恒”是相对而言的, 因为人总是要死的。 然而你却总是无法找到它, 因为你们会离婚、争吵, 各种痛苦、猜疑、愤怒、怨恨都会发生。 你们一定都知道这些事情,不是吗? 32:41 此外,我们还会试图在 社区中找到安全, 归属于某个群体、某个社群 ——规模可大可小。 我们试图在这个世界上 在一个国家中找到安全, 我是一个美国人,我是一个印度人, 这给予了我一种 与某个团体的强烈的认同感, 由此我便会感到安全。 注意,就如我们说过的, 请你们务必去聆听它,而不是拒绝它。 在它背后或许有着理性,或许没有, 然而一个认真严肃的人会去检视它, 而不是拒绝或接受。
33:42 And so, when you try to find security psychologically in a nation, and, therefore, that nation is different from another nation, naturally, there is division and, where there is division between nations, in which you have invested, psychologically, your security, there are wars, there are economic pressures, divisions. That’s what is actually going on in the world. Right? 33:42 因此,当你试图在一个国家中 找到那种心理上的安全感时, 由于你的国家和另一个国家是不同的, 于是很自然地,就会有分裂, 而当有了国家与国家之间的划分 ——你们已经在这种分裂划分中 得到了心理上的安全感—— 那时就会有战争,那时就会有 经济施压和经济体的孤立。 这就是这个世界上实际发生的事情。对吧?
34:30 And, if you seek security in ideologies – communist ideology, the capitalist ideology, religious ideologies, conclusions, images, crosses and all the rest of it, all over the world, again, that is divisive, there is division. You believe in one set of ideals which you like, which give you comfort, in which you seek security, with a group of people who believe the same kind of nonsense. And another group believe in other things, and the same thing – people are divided. Religions have divided people. The Christians, the Buddhists, the Hindus, the Muslims, you know, the Baptists, divide, again they’re at each other, each believing something extraordinary, romantic, which is unrealistic, unreal, not factual. 34:30 而如果你在意识形态中寻求安全的话 ——共产主义的意识形态,资本主义的意识形态,宗教的意识形态, 各种结论、意象、十字架等等, 全世界都是如此, 同样的,这也是分裂, 它们之间也会有分歧。 你信仰某一套你所喜欢的理想, 这种理想给予了你安慰, 你在其中寻得了安全感, 你会归属于某个相信同样荒谬看法的团体。 而另一个团体则信仰其他的东西, 这是同一回事 ——人类由此而被分裂了。 宗教已经分裂了人类。 基督教徒、佛教徒、印度教徒、穆斯林, 你知道的,那些浸礼宗教徒,各种划分, 他们同样也在彼此斗争, 每一个都相信某种非凡的、 浪漫的东西, 而它是不切实际的、虚幻的、 并不真实的东西。
35:47 So, seeing all this, not as a theory, not as something to be avoided or becoming supercilious or intellectual, or being attached emotionally, but seeing all this, very clearly, one asks, is there psychological security at all? Right? You understand my question? And, if there is no psychological security, then what is a human being? It becomes a chaos. Right? He loses his identity, because he’s identified with America, he’s identified with Jesus, he’s identified with the Buddha, he’s identified with a nation and so on and so on. 36:57 When reason, logic, says how absurd all this is! Then does one go into despair or – please listen to this – or, because you have observed the fallacy of these divisive processes, the unreality of these fictions, myths, fantasies which have no basis, and the very perception of that, is that not intelligence? Right? You understand...? Not the intelligence of a clever, cunning mind, not the intelligence of book knowledge, but the intelligence which comes out of clear observation. Right? 35:47 所以,在看到了所有这一切后 ——不是把它作为一种理论,也不是某种需要回避的东西, 或者变得傲慢自大或过于理智, 或者在感情上执著于它们, 而是非常清楚地看到这一切, 那时我们就要问了: 究竟是否存在「心理上的安全」? 对吧? 你理解我的问题吗? 而如果并不存在心理上的安全, 那么人类是什么? 人类会变成一种「混乱」。 对吧? 他会失去自己的身份, 因为他把自己认同为美国人, 他把自己认同为耶稣, 他把自己认同为佛陀, 他把自己认同为一个国家,等等等等。 36:57 而当理性、逻辑说: 这一切是多么的荒谬啊! 那时,你会陷入绝望吗,或者说 ——请听好了—— 或者说:因为你已经观察到了 这些分裂过程的谬误, 这些毫无根据的杜撰、神话、幻想的不真实性, 那么这种洞察本身, 它难道不就是「智慧」吗? 对吧? 你们理解了吗……? 不是一个精明狡猾头脑的“智慧”, 不是书本知识的“智慧”, 而是来自于清晰观察的智慧。 对吗?
38:22 In that observation, which brings about extraordinary intelligence, there is security, therefore, that means that very intelligence is secure. Have you understood this? No, please, you must have it, not agree with me, or say, ‘Yes, how extraordinary, I didn’t think of that before,’ but it must be part of you, it must be you that are finding it, not me that have found it and tell you and therefore you accept it or reject it. You see the difference? 38:22 这种观察带来了非凡的智慧, 而在这种观察中 就会有「安全」, 因此,这意味着这种智慧本身就是「安全」。 你们理解这一点了吗? 不,请不要…… 你必须要拥有它,而不是同意我, 或者说,“是的,多么不同寻常的观点, 我以前从没有这样想过,” 它必须成为你的一部分, 必须是你自己找到了它, 而不是我发现了它,然后告诉你, 然后你接受了它或拒绝了它。 你看到这其中的区别了吗?
39:11 As we said at the beginning, I’m not out to, the speaker is not out to convince you of anything I’m not a propagandist – I don’t want you to think as I think, because I don’t think at all. And I mean it. We’ll go into that later on, because that is an extraordinary fact, the capacity to observe without thought, therefore, in that observation, have a tremendous insight, and that insight is supreme intelligence, and that intelligence acts – which we’ll go into, when we are discussing the whole structure and the nature of thought. 39:11 就像我们一开始所说的, 我并不打算 演讲者并不打算说服你们相信任何事情, 我并不是一个宣传者—— 我不想要你们思考的东西和我思考的一样,因为我根本就没有在思考。 我是说真的。 我们待会儿就会来探究这一点, 因为这是一个非凡的事实, 那种“不带着思想去观察”的能力, 因此,在那种观察中, 就会有惊人的洞见, 而这种洞见就是至高的智慧, 而那种智慧就会起作用 ——我们将会在 讨论思想的整个结构和本质的时候 来探讨这一点。
40:19 But, as most of us will not let go, will not, are so frightened to let go and not finding security. You understand? I can let go, one can let go being a Catholic, Protestant, Communist, all the rest of that nonsense, very easily. But, when you do let go, when you cleanse yourself of all this, either you do it as a reaction, or you do it because you have observed, intelligently, holistically, with great clarity, the absurdity, the fantasies, the make-believes. 41:22 And, because you observe without any distortion, because you’re not out to get something from it because you’re not thinking in terms of punishment and reward, because you observe very clearly, then that very clarity of perception is intelligence. In that there is extraordinary security, not that you become secure, but intelligence is secure. 40:19 然而,由于我们大多数人 不会放手,不肯 我们如此害怕去放手,如此害怕找不到安全。 你明白了吗? 我可以去放手, 某人可以不再做天主教徒、 新教徒、共产主义者, 等等这些荒谬的东西 ——这很容易。 然而当你真的放弃了它们, 当你“清空”了这些东西, 你这样做要么是出于一种反应, 要么是因为你带着非常清晰的头脑 智慧地、整体地 观察过了它, 你看到了这其中的荒谬、幻想和虚构想象。 41:22 而由于你的观察没有任何扭曲, 因为你并不想要从中得到什么东西, 因为你并没有按照 奖励和惩罚的方式来思考, 因为你观察得非常清楚, 那时那种清晰的洞察本身就是「智慧」。 在它之中就有着非凡的「安全」, 不是你变得安全了, 而是那种智慧使你安全了。
42:03 Are we meeting each other? Is there a communication between each other? Or is it merely a verbal communication? Communication verbally is necessary, to use the correct word and, unfortunately, in America the correct word is not being used – they use any old, sloppy word and think they convey. But we’re using correct words. And communication implies not only the usage and the comprehension on both sides, the meaning and the significance of the word, correctly, but also it implies that we share, share what is being said, which is the responsibility of sharing, partaking together. 43:20 So, we are not merely communicating verbally, but also deeply sharing the fact: the fact being, the absolute fact, not relative fact, the absolute fact that there is no security in anything that man has invented, psychologically. All our religions are inventions, put together by thought. All our divisive endeavours, which come about when there are beliefs, dogmas, rituals, which is the whole substance of religion, when you see all this very clearly, not as an idea, but as a fact, then that very fact reveals the extraordinary quality of intelligence, in which there is complete, whole security. Right? 44:52 I hope you see this fact of intelligence now, not tomorrow. Don’t go home and say, ‘I’ll think it over.’ When you think it over tomorrow, you’ve already distorted it. But we are thinking, together, now, using our reason, our capacity to think clearly. So, communication of the fact between you and the speaker is now, not eventually, not when it’s convenient for you. Then you have lost time, you have wasted days and months. You don’t do that when the house is on fire, you do act. 42:03 我们是否彼此理解了? 我们互相之间有交流吗? 还是说我们只有口头上的交流? 口头上的交流是需要的, 我们需要使用正确的词语, 遗憾的是,在美国, 人们并没有使用正确的词语 ——他们使用那些陈旧的、马虎草率的词,然后认为表达了自己的意思。 但我们正在使用正确的词语。 而交流不仅意味着双方都在 正确地使用 并正确地理解了 词语的含义和意义, 它还意味着我们在分享, 分享对方所说的东西, 这是我们的责任: 那就是去一起分享,共同参与。 43:20 所以我们并不仅仅是在进行 口头文字上的交流, 同样也在深入地分享这一事实: 这个事实是一个绝对的事实, 而不是一个相对性的事实, 这个绝对的事实就是: 在任何人类所发明的心理领域的事物中, 并没有「安全」可言。 我们所有的宗教都是人类的发明, 它们是由思想所拼凑起来的。 我们所有分裂孤立的努力 ——当有了信仰、教条、仪式的时候, 这种努力就会出现, 这就是宗教的全部实质, 当你非常清楚地看到这一切, 不是作为一种观念,而是一个事实, 那么这个事实本身就会揭示出 智慧的非凡品质, 在其中就会有彻底的、 完全的「安全」。对吧? 44:52 我希望你能看到这个智慧的事实 ——现在就看到,而不是在明天。 不要回家然后说,“我将会仔细考虑一下它。 ” 当你明天再去仔细思考它时, 你就已经曲解了它。 而我们正在一起思考,在当下思考它, 运用我们的理性、我们清晰思考的能力。 所以你是在「当下」和演讲者交流这一事实, 而不是在最后,不是在你方便的时候。 那样你就浪费了时间, 你已经浪费了数天和数月。 当房子已经着火时,你并不会这么做, 你会立刻采取行动。
45:56 So, when you are concerned, as we are, I hope, all of us together, when you are concerned, deeply, with the transformation of man, because man must radically transform – when I use the word ‘man,’ I’m also including the woman. We are not talking about equal rights, women and men, the Women’s Liberation, and all that. We are talking, when we say ‘man,’ man – woman. So, please, forgive if I use that word ‘man.’ Don’t write me letters, say, ‘Why don’t you also use ‘woman’?’ As it has been done – which means they are not really listening, which means they are not, they are still thinking partially. 47:10 We are thinking together, holistically, as a whole, not you and I, separate human beings, thinking together, we are looking at something, together. You know, when you feel that we are doing something together there’s a great deal of care, there’s a great deal of attention, there’s a great sense of sympathy, affection. And I’m using that word in all that sense – together. 45:56 所以,当你和我们一样在关心……我希望如此,我们所有人一起在关心这件事, 当你深刻地关心「人(man)的转变」, 因为人必须要彻底地转变才行 ——当我使用“人(man)”这个词时, 这个词同样也包括了“女人(woman)”。 我们并没有在谈论什么“男女权利平等”, 妇女解放运动,等等这些。 我们在谈论的是, 当我们说“人(man)”,(它意思就是)男人和女人(man – woman)。 所以如果我用了“人(man)”这个词,请原谅我。 不要写信给我,说,“为什么你不用‘女人(woman)’这个词呢? ” 以前就发生过这样的事—— 这意味着他们并没有真正地在聆听, 这意味着他们并不是…… 他们仍旧在局部地思考。 47:10 而我们正在一起思考, 整体性地去思考,我们是一个整体, 不是“你”和“我”,两个彼此分离的人, 在一起思考, 我们正在一起观察某个事物。 你知道的,当你觉得 我们是在一起做某件事时, 你就会非常小心谨慎, 你就会非常集中注意力, 你会感到巨大的共鸣和热情。 我所使用的这个词——“一起”, 就包含了所有这些意义
47:54 So, in our consciousness, one of the factors is this demand and the search for psychological security. And, when we are seeking psychological security in nations, in beliefs, in gurus, in books, in ideas and so on, in leaders, then because it brings about division, therefore, physiologically, there are divisions – Hindu, Buddhist, different nation, Englishman, American, Dutch, German, you know – division. And, therefore, when there is psychological attachment to a belief, to a nation, there is insecurity, physiologically. You understand, sir? 48:50 Isn’t that so? Isn’t that a fact? When I’m attached to India – I’m not – when I’m attached to India and all that nonsense which represents India, just the image, the romanticism, you know, all that bilge – so, when I’m attached to that, I separate myself from the rest of the world, psychologically, and, therefore, division invariably brings conflict. When there is division between man and woman – you understand? You are married, you’ve got all this misery in you. 49:35 When there is division, there must be conflict, inevitably. That’s an absolute law. And this division is brought about by the attachment to psychological ideas. Therefore, there is poverty, degradation, wars, terror in the world, the world is becoming a dangerous place to live. 47:54 因此,在我们的意识中, 其中一个要素 就是这种对「心理上安全」的需求和寻找。 而当我们在国家之中、 在信仰中、在古鲁中、在书本中、 在理念中,等等,在领袖中寻求心理上的安全时, 那时,由于它带来了分裂, 所以我们在生理上也会有区分 ——印度教徒、佛教徒, 不同的国家,英国人、 美国人、荷兰人、德国人, 你知道的——各种划分。 因此,当人们在心理上依附于 某个信仰、某个国家时, 那么就会有生理上的不安全, 你理解了吗,先生? 48:50 难道不是这样吗?这难道不是事实吗? 当我执著于印度——我本人并没有—— 当我执著于印度,以及所有代表着印度的荒谬愚蠢时, 就像那些神像,那些浪漫主义, 你知道的,所有这些鬼东西 ——因此,当我执著于它时, 我就在心理上把自己 和这个世界的其他人分开了, 因此,分裂总是会带来冲突。 当男人和女人之间有了分隔——你懂了吧? 你们都结婚了, 你们体验过了所有那些痛苦。 49:35 当有了分裂,就必然会有冲突 ——这是不可避免的。 这是一条绝对的定律。 而这种分裂之所以产生, 是因为我们执著于心理上的观念。 因此这个世界便有了贫穷、 堕落、战争、恐怖主义, 这个世界正在变成一个 危险的生存之地。
50:15 So, is it possible then, for a human being, you, who are the world – please, that is the central issue in this matter – you are the world and the world is you. And the world out there and out here, inside, traditionally, has been conditioned to be a fragment – you understand? A fragment – American fragment, Indian fragment and so on, Catholic fragment – therefore, outwardly there is no peace. Right? And man cannot exist without peace, he cannot create, he cannot have affection, he cannot have compassion, love. All right? Shall I go on? 50:15 所以,人类是否可能, 你是否可能——你就是世界 请注意,这是这件事情的核心问题: 即你就是世界,这个世界就是你。 而外面的那个世界,和这里的这个世界 ——我们内在的世界, 按照传统惯例, 它们已经被局限为一个“碎片”了 ——你理解了吗? 一个“碎片”——美国人的“碎片”, 印度人的“碎片”,等等, 天主教徒的“碎片”——因此, 我们外在的世界便失去了和平。 对吧? 然而没有和平,人类就无法存在, 他将无法创造, 他将不会有情感, 他将不会有同情和爱。 好吧?我可以继续讲下去吗?
51:33 So, part of this consciousness of man is the fact of the search and the demand and the attachment to a fragment, in which he hopes to find security. And to transform that fragment, in which man has invested, hoping to find security, to completely transform that, can only come about when there is intelligence, intelligence which is perception. I went into that. Right? Right, sir? Do you see it? And is there now, not tomorrow, not when you go home and think about it – then you’re lost – is there now, as you’re sitting there, listening, using your reason, capacity, energy, affection, care, and attention, is there that transformation taking place? 52:50 Right, sir? If not, you’re not listening, you’re not exercising your capacity to think clearly. Or you’re caught in verbal images or in a symbol to which you are attached, because, if you let go that symbol, you’re frightened and, therefore, you’re lonely and all that begins. We’ll discuss fear later on. 51:33 所以,人类意识的一部分就是这一事实: 即人类在寻找、 要求和执著于某个“碎片”, 他希望在这个“碎片”中找到安全。 而要转变这个碎片 ——人类在这个碎片上投入了时间精力, 希望由此可以找到安全—— 要彻底转变这个碎片, 只有当有了「智慧」时才能实现, 这种「智慧」就是洞察。 这个我已经讲过了。 对吧? 先生,对吗?你看到它了吗? 而你现在有没有…… 不是明天, 不是当你回家以后再思考它 ——那样你就迷失了—— 而是你现在有没有…… 当你坐在那里聆听时, 当你在运用你的理性、能力、能量、 情感、关心和注意力的时候, 那种「转变」是否正在发生? 52:50 对吧,先生? 如果它没有发生,那你就没有在聆听, 你没有在运用你的能力去清晰地思考它。 或者说你陷入于 你所执著的口头文字的意象中, 或者某个象征符号中, 因为当你放弃那个符号,你就会感到害怕, 因此你会感到孤独, 所有那些东西都会开始出现。 我们稍后就会来讨论「恐惧」。
53:35 But, as we are listening together, reasoning together, gathering our energies, is there that transformation, which is the freedom, complete freedom from trying to find security in a fragment? You understand? Is there freedom? Please ask it, demand it, because we’re going to go into very complex matters. This is only just the beginning of it, because we’re going to, together go into this whole problem of what is consciousness, and the content of consciousness. Without the content, there is no consciousness. Right? You haven’t thought about these matters. Because part of the content of your consciousness, human consciousness, is this demand for security. Right? 55:24 Security in God, which again is a word, a symbol, a belief, security in a nation, security in a group, security in a commune, security in the wife, the children, security in ideas, you know. That’s part of our consciousness. That consciousness has been put together through millennia upon millennia, which we call ‘evolution.’ A fragment cannot evolve, it will always remain a fragment. I wonder if you see this. A fragment cannot become the whole. So... What time is it, if I may ask? 53:35 然而,当我们在一起聆听,一起理性思考, 聚集起我们能量的时候, 是否就有了那种「转变」? 那种转变是一种自由,完全的自由 ——我们不再试图在一个“碎片”中寻找安全。 你理解了吗? 是否存在这种自由呢? 请你询问它,要求它。 因为我们即将来探讨一些非常复杂的事情。 而这仅仅只是一个开始, 因为我们将要一起来 深入探究这整个关于“什么是意识, 以及意识内容”的问题。 没有意识的内容, 就不会有意识。 对吧? 你们从没有想过这些问题。 因为你们意识中——人类意识中——有一部分内容, 就是这种“对安全感的需求”。对吧? 55:24 上帝带来的安全感 ——“上帝”同样也是一个词语、一个符号、一种信仰, 国家带来的安全感,团体带来的安全感, 社群带来的安全感, 妻子孩子带来的安全感, 观点理念带来的安全感,你知道这一切。 它是我们意识的一部分。 这个意识是人类 历经数千年所拼凑起来的, 而我们将这个过程称为“进化”。 然而“碎片”是无法进化的, 它永远只能是一个碎片。 我不知道你们是否看到了这一点。 “碎片”是无法变成「整体」的。 所以……我可以问下现在几点了吗? 听众:十二点差五分。
56:24 Audience: Five to twelve. 56:24 克:你的意思是说 我已经讲了一个半小时了?
56:28 K: You mean to say I’ve talked an hour and a half? A: No, an hour. 56:28 听众:不,是一个小时。 克:啊,一个小时。好的。
56:33 K: Ah, an hour. Right. Can you bear some more of it? 56:33 你们能够忍受再听一会儿吗? 听众:可以。
56:38 A: Yes. 56:38 克:不,我完全无法确信这一点。请注意
56:41 K: No, I’m not at all sure. Please... Because if you have listened for an hour, with great care, with attention, with sustained affection, do you know what that means? Then you are the universe. No, madam, no questions now. We’ll discuss these things... on Tuesday. 56:41 因为如果你已经听了一个小时, 非常小心地、全神贯注地、始终带着情感 听了一个小时的话, 你知道这意味着什么吗? 那时你就成了这个宇宙。 等一下,这位女士,现在不是提问的时候。 我们将会在星期二的时候 来讨论这些事情。
57:28 So, part of our consciousness, which is the human consciousness of the world, a fragment of that consciousness is the demand and the search for psychological security. And that’s one of the fragments of the content of our consciousness. Therefore, the content makes for consciousness. See the truth of it, the reason of it. Part of one’s consciousness says, ‘I am an American, I am a Buddhist, I am this, I am that.’ Or I’ve identified myself with something or other. And this identification is the demand or the desire to find security – that security, either temporarily or permanently. There is no permanent security. And if there is temporary security, then that leads to havoc, as we pointed out. 57:28 所以,我们意识的一部分 ——我们的意识就是这个世界上人类的意识—— 这种意识的一个“碎片” 就是对于「心理上安全」的 需要和寻找。 它是我们意识内容诸多碎片中的一个。 因此,意识的内容造就了「意识」。 你要看到它的真相,它的理性所在。 我们意识的一部分在说,“我是一个美国人, 我是一个佛教徒,我是这个,我是那个。 ” 或者我已经把自己认同于某个东西了。 而这种认同其实是想要找到安全的需求或渴望, 而那种“安全”要么是暂时的,要么是永久性的。 然而并不存在什么“永久的安全”。 而如果我们有了“暂时性的安全”, 这种“安全”就会导致灾难 ——我们已经指出过这一点了。
58:52 So, can you, as you have listened for an hour, with your heart and mind, can you actually be aware of the fact that you’re free of it? If you’re not, either you haven’t exercised your capacity to reason or to listen to somebody who says, ‘Do please, for God’s sake, look at this.’ And you won’t look. And if you don’t look, nobody’s going to persuade you, certainly not the speaker. Persuasion, propaganda, threats, offering you reward or punishment will never help you to look. If you look under compulsion, it is distorted. 58:52 所以,你是否能够 ——由于你已经聆听了一个小时, 倾注你的心力和脑力听到现在—— 你能否真的觉察到这个事实, 从而摆脱掉它? 如果你还没有觉察到它, 要么是因为你还没有发挥能力去理性思考 或者去聆听对方——对方在说, “看在上帝的份上,请务必去看一下它”。 而你并没有去看。 要是你自己不去看, 就没有人可以说服你去看 ——演讲者当然也不能。 无论是说服、宣传、威胁, 给予你奖励或惩罚, 这些都永远无法帮助你去看。 如果你是被迫去看的, 那么这种“看”就是扭曲的。
1:00:02 So can you, as a human being, after talking over together, for an hour, see this extraordinary fact and, seeing the fact and the reality of it, free part of that consciousness of the fragment which is the demand, the search for security? Therefore, the mind then becomes extraordinarily awakened. You understand? It can then go into the problem of fear – which we will tomorrow and so on – into the enormous content of our consciousness. And, ultimately, the question is: can the content be completely emptied? You understand, sir? Emptied so that – empty, not something else. That means, reward. 1:00:02 所以作为人类的一员, 在我们一起谈论了一个小时之后, 你是否能够 看到这个非凡的事实, 去看到这个事实,看到它的真实性, 让意识的这一部分摆脱掉“碎片性” ——即对安全感的需求和寻找? 那时,头脑就会变得无比清醒。 你理解了吗? 那时它就能够去探究关于「恐惧」的问题 ——我们明天将会来探讨它,还有等等其他问题—— 去探究我们意识庞大惊人的内容。 而最终的那个问题就是: 意识的内容能被彻底“清空”吗? 你明白了吗,先生? 清空它,这样的话——是「清空」, 不是把它变成别的东西。 因为变成别的东西就意味着「奖励回报」。
1:01:15 So, we’ll stop today, if you don’t mind, because we’ve talked for an hour, and to listen for an hour about serious things is quite difficult – probably you’re not used to this kind of thing. I can go on but not you. So, if you don’t mind, we’ll stop and meet again tomorrow morning. 1:01:15 所以,如果你们不介意的话, 今天我们就到此为止了, 因为我们已经讲了一个小时了, 而聆听严肃的内容整整一小时是很困难的 ——你们可能还不习惯这种事。 我可以继续讲下去,但你们撑不住了。 所以,如果你们不介意的话,我们到此为止吧, 明天早上再见。
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