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SA78T5 - 「爱」是一种时间与思想的运动吗?

第五次公开演讲 瑞士 萨嫩 1978年7月18日
纯文本版本
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0:28
We have been talking over, together, the question of fear
and whether, after hearing it,
after hearing our conversation together, over this weight of fear,
if one is at all free of it.
Or one has merely heard it, saw the reason of it, the sanity of it,
and cannot do anything about it, and then just drift along.
I wonder what one actually has done, each one of us,
with regard to that question of fear,
and the identification of oneself with one’s friend,
family, furniture, house, country, ideas and so on.
1:45
Whether, after these four talks
one has actually ended all identification
and therefore, there’s a great deal of freedom,
not relative, but freedom.
And when one asks these questions of oneselves,
whether we ask superficially, intellectually
or as you would ask a question
that affects you most profoundly, most seriously.
I’m afraid, we are going to have lot of disturbance today.
It’s a lovely day for flying.
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0:28
我们此前一起讨论了关于「恐惧」的问题,
在聆听了这些内容后,
在聆听了这场我们共同的、 关于那种沉重恐惧的交谈以后,
我们是否完全摆脱了恐惧。
还是说 我们只是听过就算了, 虽然我们看到了它的理性之处、它的明智之处,
但我们却无法对它做任何事情, 于是只能随波逐流了。
我想知道,我们——我们每个人—— 实际上对此做了些什么呢:
也就是对于「恐惧」的问题,
和我们对于自己朋友的「认同」、
对于家庭、家具、房子、国家、观念等等的认同。
1:45
以及在听过了这四次演讲以后,
我们是否真的结束了所有的「认同」,
从而拥有了极大的自由,
不是相对而言的“自由”,而是(真正的)自由。
而当我们向自己提出这些问题时,
我们是否是肤浅表面地、 只是从思维智力的层面在问它们,
还是说,当你问了这个问题时,
它会无比深刻地、强烈地影响到你。
我恐怕今天我们会受到很多干扰。
这是个适合飞行的好天气。
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3:07
And after asking these questions of oneselves,
and if we are at all serious,
getting the house in order – our house, which is you.
And when we put things in order in our house,
we are free, we have more energy.
It’s only when there is disorder, that we waste energy.
And order implies that one has understood, deeply,
what are the movements of disorder, in oneself,
why we live, perhaps, even in our own rooms, with such disorder.
Or, having in one’s house order,
in oneself, there is such abiding, deep disorder, uncertainty,
why such human beings live in this disorder,
from the moment they are born until they die – why?
Why do we tolerate to live in such conditions?
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3:07
而在向自己问了这些问题以后,
如果我们确实是认真的,
想要把“房子”弄得整洁有序的话…… 我们的“房子”——也就是「你」。
当我们把自己房子里的东西 整理得井井有条以后,
我们就自由了,我们会拥有更多的能量。
只有当我们混乱失序时,我们才会耗费能量。
而「秩序」就意味着 你已经深刻了解了
自己内心那些混乱失序的运动,
为什么我们要活得如此混乱无序 ——即使是待在自己房间的时候。
或者,在让自己的“房子”变得整洁有序后,
我们内心仍然有着如此持久的、 强烈的混乱与不确定,
为什么人类生活在如此的混乱失序之中
——从他们出生的那一刻起 直到他们死去—— 为什么?
为什么我们会容许自己 生活在这样的境地中?
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5:06
I wonder if you have asked yourself these questions.
And if you have – perhaps, some of you have –
and discovering that one is in disorder,
mechanically sets about to put everything in oneself in order.
Thereby, one cultivates discipline, follow a pattern,
pattern laid down after two thousand years or ten thousand years,
or the patterns laid down by some guru, some priest,
some specialist in so-called spirituality.
Or try to escape from this abiding, endless,
seemingly endless disorder,
try to identify oneself with something that is supremely order,
which is cosmos, the heavens, the whole universe.
6:35
I wonder what you, looking at yourself in the mirror
which tells you exactly what is,
I wonder what you do about this disorder?
Is one aware that one lives in disorder?
Is one aware that one lives in contradiction?
This constant conflict between ‘what is’ and ‘what should be.’
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5:06
我不知道你们是否曾经 问过自己这些问题。
如果你曾经问过 ——也许你们中有些人问过——
并且发现自己处于混乱中,
那你就会很机械化地着手开始去 让自己内心的一切事物变得井然有序。
因此你就会培养自律,去遵循一种模式,
那些历经两千年或一万年而形成的模式,
或者是某个古鲁、某个牧师、
某个所谓的“灵性领域”的专家 所制定的模式。
或者你会试图逃离这种持久的、永无尽头的
看起来似乎永无尽头的混乱,
努力让自己认同于某个 具有至高秩序的事物
——也就是和谐宇宙、天国、宇宙整体。
6:35
我想知道,你在看到镜子中的自己以后
——这面镜子会告诉你事实真相,
我想知道,你会对这种「混乱失序」 做些什么呢?
我们是否觉察到自己活在混乱中?
我们是否意识到自己活在矛盾中?
这种“实际模样”和“应该怎样”之间的持续冲突。
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7:22
I told you, it’s going to be a difficult morning.
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7:22
我告诉过你们了, 今天早上想要好好听演讲会很难。
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7:36
If one asks oneself these questions,
are you listening for an answer from yourself?
Or are you listening for an answer from somebody else?
I’m afraid, most of us are inclined to find order,
not understanding disorder, investigating what is order,
we easily accept some specialist, some authority,
some priest, some guru who’ll tell us what is order.
So, our minds are becoming more and more mechanical
because when we accept a pattern of order,
like a soldier drilled day after day, month after month,
drilled – the drums beating out his brains.
9:05
So, we follow, accept, obey, conform.
Is that not conformity, obedience, acceptance
the very root of disorder?
As we said, please, do not accept anything,
whatsoever, the speaker says.
And I really mean it.
These are the questions you’re asking of yourself.
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7:36
如果你问了自己这些问题,
那么你是在聆听来自你自己的答案吗?
还是说,你在聆听来自别人的答案?
我恐怕我们大多数人都倾向于 去找到「秩序」,
我们并没有去了解「混乱」, 去探究什么是「秩序」,
而是轻易地接受了某些专家、权威、
牧师、古鲁所告诉我们的、 关于“什么是秩序”的说法。
所以,我们的头脑正在变得 越来越机械化,
因为当我们接受了一种“秩序的模式”,
就像一个日复一日、月复一月操练的士兵,
那种操练,军鼓声在他的脑海中轰鸣不息。
9:05
所以,我们会跟从、接受、遵循和服从。
然而遵循、服从与接受 不就是
导致混乱失序的根源吗?
就如我们说过的, 请不要接受任何东西,
演讲者所说的任何东西。
我是说真的。
这些都是你们在问自己的问题。
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9:51
So, does one discover for oneself
how extraordinarily mechanical our actions are,
our attitudes are, our reactions are?
And so, our brains, our whole existence becomes a routine.
And that routine has made our minds
– I mean by ‘mind,’ the brain, the thought,
the whole content of our consciousness, the senses,
all that I mean by the word, conveyed by the word ‘mind’ –
consciousness, the senses, the movement of thought,
the content of our consciousness – all that is the mind.
11:02
I’m using that word in that sense.
We may alter, later on, next year or tomorrow use a different word
but, for now, we are using ‘mind’ to convey all that.
If you observe in the mirror,
don’t you find that your mind, the whole content,
has become extraordinarily mechanical?
You are Christians, or if you’ve given up your Christianity,
you belong to something else,
or if you have given that up, you belong to something else.
Or you follow a certain routine, a certain way of thinking
according to your opinions, experiences,
which always function within a narrow limit.
12:12
Right?
Have you noticed this, that your mind is mechanical?
Because, please, we’re going into something very
– perhaps, rather difficult.
I don’t know where it is going to lead us.
It may become a little more complex,
therefore, please, give a little attention.
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9:51
所以,我们是否亲自发现了
我们的行动、
我们的态度、我们的反应是多么的极度机械化?
因此我们的大脑、我们的全部的「存在」 就变成了一种例行公事。
而这种“例行公事”已经让我们的头脑
我所说的「头脑」,它是指大脑、思想、
我们意识的全部内容、各种感觉,
我所说的这个词包含了所有这些内容, “头脑”这个词就表达了这些含义:
意识、感觉、思想的活动、
我们意识的内容——所有这些就是「头脑」。
11:02
我是在这个意义层面上使用这个词的。
之后,也许在明年或者明天, 我们可能会改用别的词语,
但目前来说,我们还是使用“头脑”这个词 来表达所有这些东西。
如果你观察镜子里的事物,
你难道没有发现你的头脑、头脑全部的内容,
已经变得极度机械化了吗?
你们是基督教徒,或者如果你已经 抛弃了你的基督教,
那么你就会去归属于别的团体,
或者如果你又放弃了别的团体, 你就会让自己归属于另外一个团体。
或者你会根据自己的观点和经验
而去遵循某种惯例和思维方式
——而它们永远都是在 一个狭隘的局限范围内运作的。
12:12
对吧?
你注意到这点了吗: 那就是你的头脑是机械化的?
因为……请注意, 我们将要来探究某种非常
——也许是相当难懂的东西。
我也不知道它将会把我们引导至何方。
它可能会变得稍微有点复杂,
所以请你们稍微集中一下注意力。
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12:45
You know, when you have a small child with you,
you listen to the cries, you listen to the words, the murmur,
you’re so concerned, you listen
– you may be asleep but the moment it cries, you wake up.
And you’re, all the time, attentive because the child is yours,
you must care for it, you must love it, you must hold it,
and so you are so tremendously attentive,
even though you’re asleep, you wake up.
Now, could you so listen,
with that same quality of attention, affection, care,
listening to every movement of that child?
Could you do it, in watching the mirror,
– not me, you’re not listening to me –
listening to the mirror, which is yourself, is telling you,
with that extraordinary, concentrated affection, care?
Will you do it?
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12:45
你瞧,当你身边有一个很小的小孩,
你就会倾听他(她)的哭声、 他(她)的说话、他(她)的低语、
你是如此的关心他(她),所以你会倾听,
你或许已经睡着了, 然而一旦他(她)哭了,你就会醒来。
你会自始至终地保持注意, 因为这个孩子是你的,
你必须要照顾他(她), 你必须爱他(她),你必须管住他(她),
所以你会无比地留心注意,
即使你已经睡觉了,你也会惊醒。
而现在,你能否也带着
同样的这种「注意」、 关爱和关心的品质来聆听,
聆听那个“孩子”的每一个活动?
在看那面镜子的时候, 你能够这么做吗?
——不是我,你并没有在听我讲话——
你在聆听那面镜子——那面镜子就是「你自己」 ——你在聆听它正在告诉你的东西,
带着那种异乎寻常的、 全神贯注的关爱和关心去聆听?
你会这么做吗?
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14:23
So, we’re asking, why have human beings become so mechanical?
That mechanical habit obviously produces disorder
because if you’re all the time functioning within a narrow limit,
in that narrow limit, there’s always this energy, limited
and therefore, it is struggling to break through,
which is the essence of conflict.
You understand…?
No, don’t understand me, understand what the mirror is saying.
There is no speaker, here.
So, can you observe with that care, with attention,
which is the feeling of great affection
to what you are going to listen to?
15:44
We are talking about disorder.
And we live in disorder, of habits, of beliefs,
of conclusions, of opinions.
This is the pattern we live in
which, naturally, being limited, must create disorder.
Now, when one is in disorder, to seek order is wrong, obviously,
because the mind that is confused, unclear, seeking what is order,
will also be confused, will also be uncertain.
That’s clear.
But, whereas, if you look into disorder,
if you understand the disorder in which you live,
the causes of it, the movement of disorder,
in the very understanding of it, out of that understanding comes order
naturally, easily, happily
without any compulsion, without any control.
17:09
You understand what I’m saying?
This is what the mirror is telling you:
that to understand, not verbally, intellectually or emotionally,
but to understand the movement of disorder in oneself,
why this disorder comes about
– and you can discover the causes, instantly, if you give attention,
that attention which you give to a small, defenceless child,
which is to have an insight into disorder.
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14:23
所以,我们正在问: 为什么人类会变得如此机械化?
显而易见,那种机械化的习惯 带来了混乱失序,
因为如果你一直都是在 一个狭隘的局限范围内运作活动,
那么在那个狭隘的局限范围中, 「能量」就会一直受到约束限制,
因此它会奋力寻求突破
——而这就是「冲突」的本质。
你们理解了吗……?
不,不是理解我, 而是理解那面镜子所说的东西。
因为这里并没有一个“演讲者”。
所以,你能否带着关心、带着「注意」去观察
也就是那种强烈关爱的感觉,
带着它们去观察你接下来将要听到的东西?
15:44
我们正在谈论「混乱」。
我们生活在「混乱」之中, 混乱的习惯、混乱的信仰、
混乱的结论、混乱的观念。
这就是我们所生活于其中的模式,
很自然地,由于这种模式是局限的, 所以它必定会造成「混乱失序」。
现在来看,当一个人处于「失序」中时, 那么去寻找「秩序」将是一件错误的事——这是很显然的,
因为当头脑自己还混乱困惑、搞不清楚, 那么当它去寻找“什么是秩序”,
这种寻找也会是混乱困惑的、不确定的。
这是很清楚的事。
然而,如果你可以去探究一下「混乱失序」,
如果你了解了你所生活于其中的 那种「混乱失序」,
了解它的原因,了解这种混乱失序的活动,
那么就在对于它的「了解」之中, 从这份「了解」中就会产生出「秩序」了
——而且是很自然地、容易地、愉快地产生出秩序,
没有任何强制、没有任何控制。
17:09
你们理解我在说什么吗?
这就是这面镜子正在告诉你的东西:
那就是去「了解」——不是口头文字上、思维智力上去了解, 也不是感情用事地去了解,
而是去了解我们内在的那种混乱的运动,
为什么这种「混乱」会出现?
而如果你能保持「注意」, 你就可以立即发现那些原因了,
这种「注意」就是你给予那个 毫无防卫的、很小的小孩的「注意」,
也就是要去洞察「混乱失序」。
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18:09
So, what is the root of disorder?
The root of it.
There are many causes of disorder
– comparison, comparing oneself with another,
comparing oneself with what he or she should be,
imitating an example
– example being, somebody who is a saint,
you know, all that stuff, I don’t have to go into all that nonsense –
or conforming.
Right?
Conformity, imitation, adjustment
to something you think is beyond that which is.
Right?
So, there is always conflict between ‘what is’ and ‘what should be.’
19:23
Got it?
Which is to compare, which is the movement of thought:
‘I was this,’ or ‘I was happy and some day, I’ll be happy again.’
So, this constant measurement between ‘what has been’
or ‘what is’ and ‘what should be.’
This constant evaluation brings conflict
and that is one of the basic reasons of disorder.
Right?
And another cause of disorder is operating from the past.
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18:09
所以,「混乱失序」的根源是什么呢?
它的根源。
「混乱失序」有着众多的原因
——例如「比较」,拿自己去和别人比较,
拿自己去和“自己应该是什么样子”比较,
去模仿某个榜样
——这个榜样可能是某个圣人,
你们都知道所有这类东西, 我就不深入这些愚蠢荒谬的东西了——
或者你会去遵从。
是吧?
遵从、模仿、调整适应,
从而去达到某种你认为 超越你「真实现状」的模样。
对吧?
所以,在「真实现状」和「应该是什么样子」之间 总是会存在冲突。
19:23
明白它了吗?
也就是去「比较」——而这就是思想的运动:
“我曾经是这样的……”或者“我曾经很幸福, 而总有一天,我会再次幸福的。
”
所以在「曾经的样子」或「真实现状」
与「应该是什么样子」之间有着这种持续不断的度量。
而这种持续不断的评价就带来了冲突,
而这就是导致混乱失序的 最基本的原因之一。
对吧?
而导致混乱的另一个原因就是: 我们是经由「过去」而运作的。
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20:22
Now, is love a movement of time,
of thought, of remembrance?
You understand?
You understand my question?
The question is, the mirror is asking you,
in which you are looking,
and is this love, so-called ‘love,’
not creating such extraordinary disorder between human relationships?
Right?
Look at it, yourself, for God’s sake.
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20:22
然而,「爱」是一种时间的运动吗?
「爱」是思想的运动吗?
「爱」是记忆的运动吗? 你们理解了吗?
你们明白我的问题吗?
这个问题就是,这面镜子正在问你,
而你正在看着这面镜子,
这种爱,这种所谓的“爱”
——不正是它造成了 人际关系中极度的混乱吗?
是吧?请你亲自去看一下它, 看在上帝的份上。
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21:25
Now, what is the root of disorder?
We’ve seen the causes and we can add more, that’s irrelevant.
In examining what is the root of it, don’t analyse
– we’ve been through that – just look.
If you look, without analysis, you have an immediate insight into it.
If you say, ‘Well, I’ll examine, I will deduct,
or from outside analyse, induction and deduction
– which is still the movement of thought.
Whereas, if you can observe with that care,
with that deep attention
in which is involved a great deal of tenderness, affection,
then, you have an insight.
23:11
So, we are asking, what is the root of it?
Go on, sirs, find out.
What is the root of our disorder,
inward disorder and therefore, outward disorder?
You can see what terrible disorder there is in the world,
agonising disorder, people are killing each other,
and the dissidents are being tortured, put into prisons
– you follow?
– all that’s going on.
We tolerate all that because our minds accept things,
or try to change a little bit, here and there.
24:09
So, what is the root of disorder?
Which means, you have to go into the question,
what is our consciousness?
You understand?
What is your consciousness?
As you look at yourself in that undistorted mirror,
what is your consciousness?
And that may be the essence of disorder.
So, we have to investigate, together, what is our consciousness.
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21:25
所以,「混乱失序」的根源是什么呢?
我们已经看到了造成它的种种原因, 我们也可以补充更多的原因——这都是无关紧要的。
在检视它的根源的时候,请不要去「分析」
——这点我们之前已经彻底讨论过了—— 只是去「看」。
如果你不带分析地去「看」, 你就能够立即洞察到它。
但如果你说,“哦,我将会去检视, 我将会去推断,
或者通过从外部进行分析, 从而去归纳和演绎
——那这仍旧是思想的运动。
然而,如果你可以带着那种关心、
带着那种深度的「注意」去观察
——其中包含了极大的敏感与关爱,
那么你就会有所洞察了。
23:11
所以我们正在问:它的根源是什么?
继续下去,先生们,去找出答案。
我们混乱失序的根源是什么
——我们内在混乱失序, 并因此而产生了外在的混乱失序。
你可以看到这个世界上有着多么可怕的混乱,
让人无比痛苦的混乱,人类正在自相残杀,
持不同政见者正在遭受严刑拷打, 被投入监狱
——你们跟上了吗?
——所有这些事情正在发生着。
而我们容忍了这一切, 因为我们的头脑接受了那些东西。
或者只是试图在这里或那里 稍微修改一下。
24:09
所以,混乱失序的根源是什么呢?
这意味着……你们必须要来探究这个问题:
即 我们的「意识」是什么?
你们理解了吗?
你的意识是什么?
当你在这面毫无扭曲的镜子里看自己时,
你的意识是什么呢?
而它或许就是「混乱失序」的本质。
所以,我们必须要一起来探究一下 我们的意识是什么。
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Our consciousness is a living thing, a moving thing,
it’s active, not something static, closed, locked up
– it is not like that, it’s a thing that’s constantly changing.
But changing within a small, limited border.
It’s like a man thinking he’s changing
when he changes a little bit there, in one corner,
and he doesn’t transform the rest of the field.
So, we have to understand the nature and the structure of consciousness.
We’re doing that to find out if that is the root of our disorder.
It may not be – we’re going to find out.
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So, what is our consciousness?
Is it not everything that thought has put together?
The form, the body, the name, the senses
with which thought has identified itself,
the beliefs, the pains, the tortures, the agonies,
the discomfort, the depressions and elations,
the jealousies, the anxieties, the fears, the pleasures,
my country and your country, I believe in God, I don’t believe in God,
Jesus is the most important, Krishna is much more important
– and so on, so on, so on.
Is not all that your consciousness?
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No? You can add more to it, in detail
– ‘I’m brown, I wish I were lighter,’
‘I’m black but black is beautiful’ and so on, so on.
The past, the traditions, the heredity,
the whole tradition of mankind is based, essentially, on this,
its mythology – all that is the content.
If you were born in India, or in Africa
where Christianity is not the fashion,
they have their own gods,
their own images, their own forms of worship,
that’s part of their consciousness, as you have it here,
only they call it by a different name
but, essentially, it’s the same pattern.
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Right?
And, as long as one is unaware
of the content of his consciousness and acts,
then that action must be limited and, therefore, disorder.
You understand?
Thought in its movement must create disorder
unless thought has realised its proper place, which is knowledge.
Knowledge is limited and therefore, it has its proper place.
That’s clear.
We’ve gone into this – I won’t go over and over again.
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我们的意识是一个鲜活之物、 是一个运动变化之物,
它是很活跃的,而不是某种停滞的、 封锁的、自我封闭的东西
——它并不是那样子的, 它是一个持续不断变化的事物。
但它是在一个狭小的、 有限的边界范围内变化的。
这就像是一个人认为自己正在改变
——但他只是稍微改变了一下某个地方、 某个角落而已,
他并没有转变其余所有的地方。
所以我们必须要了解「意识」的本质和结构。
我们这么做是为了去发现 它是否就是导致我们混乱失序的根源。
它可能不是——但我们将会来搞清楚它。
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那么,我们的意识是什么呢?
我们的意识不就是 思想所拼凑起来的一切事物吗?
我的模样、我的身体、我的名字、我的感觉
——思想已经让自己认同于这些东西了,
那些信仰、痛苦、折磨和巨大的苦难、
那些不舒服、抑郁沮丧和得意洋洋,
那些妒忌、焦虑、恐惧和快感,
我的国家和你的国家, 我信仰上帝,我不信仰上帝,
耶稣是最重要的,但奎师那更加重要
——等等 等等。
这些不都是你的意识吗?
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不是?你也可以为它补充更多细节内容
——比如“我是棕色皮肤的人,我希望我能更白一点”,
“虽然我是黑人,但黑皮肤也很美” 等等,等等。
那些「过去」、传统、遗传,
人类全部的传统 本质上就是建立在这些东西上的
它的神话故事——所有这些就是意识的内容。
如果你出生在印度或者非洲
——虽然那里并不流行基督教,
但那里的人也会有他们自己的神明、
他们自己的神像,和他们自己的崇拜方式,
这也是他们意识的一部分 ——就像你们在这里也会有这些东西一样。
只不过他们把它叫做不同的名字罢了,
然而实质上,它是同样的模式。
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对吧?
而只要一个人还是在 没有察觉到
他意识内容的情况下去行动,
那他的行动就必定是局限的, 从而也将会是混乱失序的。
你们听懂了吗?
思想在其活动的过程中 必然会制造出混乱失序,
除非思想已经清楚了 它自己正确合理的位置——也就是「知识」的范畴。
「知识」是局限的, 因此它有着自己正确合适的位置。
这点已经清楚了。我们已经探讨过它了 ——我就不再一遍遍重复了。
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So, thought born of yesterday, or ten thousand million yesterdays,
is limited,
and the content of our consciousness is, therefore, limited,
and our consciousness, however thought may say
this consciousness isn’t limited but there’s a higher consciousness,
it is still a form of consciousness.
You have got it?
So, thought which hasn’t realised its proper place,
is the very essence of disorder.
Right?
You understand?
This is not something romantic, vague, nonsense,
but you can see, for yourself, if you’re logical, sane, clear,
that thought, being limited, must create disorder.
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Like a man who says, ‘I am a Jew,’ or ‘I am an Arab’ or a Chinese
– he’s limited and therefore, closing himself, resisting
and therefore, wars and all the misery begins.
Right?
Do you actually see this fact?
– not as an idea, not something somebody’s telling you,
but see it for yourself, as you hear the cry of the baby.
Then you act.
You get up.
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因此,源自于「昨天」的思想, 或者源自于一百亿个「昨天」的思想
——这种思想是局限的,
因此我们意识的内容也是局限的,
而我们的意识…… 无论思想怎么说:
它也许会说:这种意识并不是局限的, 或者还存在着更高层次的意识
——但这些仍旧是某种形式的「意识」。
你们明白它了吗?
所以,没有意识到自己正确合理位置的「思想」
——它就是「混乱失序」的本质。
对吧?
你们理解了吗?
这并不是某种浪漫化的、 含糊其辞的、荒谬的想法,
如果你是逻辑的、明智的、头脑清醒的, 你自己就可以看到这一点:
那就是,局限的思想必然会造成混乱失序。
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就像一个人说,“我是一个犹太人”, 或者“我是一个阿拉伯人或中国人”一样
——这样的人是局限的, 由此他会自我封闭起来,并抵抗外界,
从而就有了战争,所有的苦难不幸便开始了。
对吧?
你是否真的看到了这一事实?
——不是将其作为一种理念、 不是别人告诉你的东西,
而是自己去看到它, 就像你听到了那个婴孩的哭声一样。
那时你就会行动起来。你就会起身。
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So.
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就是这样。
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And part of our mechanical way of living
is born out of this limited consciousness.
Right?
So, is it possible not to expand consciousness?
You understand the meaning of that?
To expand, to enlarge it, to add more things to it
– more knowledge, more experience, moving from one corner to another –
trying to enlarge it.
There are schools which are doing this,
by practice, by discipline, control – all that.
So, when you’re trying to expand consciousness,
there is a centre of measurement.
You understand?
When you try to enlarge anything, enlarge a house,
from a from a small foundation or a large foundation,
you enlarge, there is a centre from which you enlarge.
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Similarly, there is a centre from which says, ‘I’m expanding,’
which is measurement.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t understand: look at yourself.
Aren’t you trying to expand your consciousness?
You may not use that word.
You may say, ‘Well, I’m trying to be better’
– ‘I’m trying to be more this or that’ – or to achieve.
So, as long as there is a centre from which you act,
there must be disorder.
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而我们机械化生活方式的一部分
便是源自于这种局限的意识。
对吧?
所以,我们是否可能 不要去扩张这种意识呢?
你们理解这句话的意思吗?
去扩展它、去扩大它、 去为它添加更多的东西
——更多的知识、更多的经验, 从一个角落转移到另一个角落——
试图去扩大它。
有一些学校正在做这样的事,
通过练习、通过纪律、通过控制 ——所有这类东西。
所以,当你试图去扩展意识,
那时就会有一个量度的“中心”。
你们能理解吗?
当你试图去扩大任何事物时…… 比如扩建房屋,
你需要从一个很小或很大的地基开始,
在此基础上去扩建, 所以你是基于一个“中心”去扩建的。
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同样的,我们身上也存在着这么一个“中心”, 这个中心在说,“我正在扩张”
——而这就是「量度」。
如果你不理解,这也没关系: 只需要去审视你自己即可。
你难道没有在努力扩展自己的意识吗?
你或许不会使用这样的措词。
但你也许会说, “嗯,我正在努力变得更好”
——“我正在努力变得更怎么样、更怎么样”, 或者你会去努力达到某些目标。
所以,只要还是存在一个 你基于它而行动的“中心”,
那就一定会有混乱。
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Then, the problem arises: is it possible to act,
function naturally, happily, without a centre,
without the content of consciousness?
Do you understand these questions?
We are putting fundamental questions.
You may not be used to that.
Most of us put questions rather slackly,
or indifferently and move off.
But we’re asking questions that you must answer,
must find an answer, go into it to discover for yourself the answer.
Is it possible to act, to live our daily life, without the centre,
which is the essence of disorder?
That is, in your relationship with another, however intimate it may be,
if you’re all the time concerned about yourself,
your ambitions, your personality, your beauty, your habits and so on
– you, in your relationship with another,
and the other, also, is doing the same,
naturally, there is conflict, which is disorder.
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So, is it possible not to act from a centre?
We have gone into what is the centre.
The centre is this consciousness with its content.
The content is all the things which thought has put together,
with its sensations, with its desires, with its fears and so on, so on.
Right?
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于是,这个问题就出现了: 我们是否可能去
自然地、愉快地行动和活动 而没有一个“中心”、
也没有意识的内容?
你们明白这些问题了吗?
我们正在提出的是根本性的问题。
你们或许还不习惯于这样。
我们大多数人的提问都是相当懈怠的,
或者是漠不关心的,提出问题后就不管了。
但我们正在问的这些问题 是你们必须回答的,
你们必须要去找到答案、去探究它、 去亲自发现那个答案。
我们是否可能不带着那个“中心”去行动、 去过我们的日常生活?
因为那个“中心”就是混乱失序的本质。
换句话说,在你和他人的关系中 ——不管这种关系或许是多么的亲密,
如果你自始至终都在关心你自己:
你的抱负、你的人品、 你的美丽、你的习惯 等等
——在你和别人的关系中,你在关心你自己,
而对方也在做着同样的事,
于是很自然地就会有冲突 ——而冲突就是混乱失序。
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那么,是否可能不要 经由“中心”而去行动呢?
我们已经探讨过了“这个中心是什么”。
这个中心就是我们的意识及其内容。
而意识内容就是所有那些思想 拼凑组合起来的东西,
它的各种感觉、欲望、恐惧,等等 等等。
对吧?
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37:00
What is that action
in which there is no contradiction,
no regret, no reward or punishment,
therefore, an action that is whole?
You understand?
We’re going to find out.
We are going to find out, not I find out and answer it, tell you,
but together, we’re going to find out,
remembering that there is no speaker
but only the mirror in which you are looking.
To understand it, we must go into the question of what is love.
Because if we can find the truth of what is love
that may completely dissolve the centre,
completely bring about a holistic action.
So, we must go into it very, very, very carefully,
if you are willing.
That means, are you willing to listen?
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You have your opinions about love, obviously.
You have your conclusions about love.
You say, ‘Love cannot exist without jealousy,’
‘Love exists only when there is sex,’
‘Love exists only when you love all your neighbours,
love the animals’ and all the rest of it.
You have a concept, an idea, a conclusion about what love is.
If you have, then you cannot possibly investigate.
Right?
If you already say, ‘This is so,’ you’re finished.
It’s like one of those gurus who says, ‘I know,
I’ve reached enlightenment,’ and you, gullible, follow him.
You never question him.
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那么我们说的「行动」又是什么呢?
——在这种行动中没有矛盾、
没有懊悔、没有奖励或惩罚,
由此它便是一种「圆满完整」的行动。
你们听懂了吗?
我们将会来发现它。
是“我们”将要来发现它,而不是“我”去发现它, 然后回答它、然后告诉你们,
而是我们“一起”,我们将要去搞清楚这个问题,
请记住:这里并没有什么“演讲者”,
这里只有一面镜子 ——而你正在看着这面镜子。
要了解它,我们就必须来 深入探讨一下关于“什么是爱”的问题。
因为如果我们可以发现 关于“什么是爱”的真相,
这也许就能彻底消融掉那个中心,
完完全全地带来一种「整体性」的行动。
所以,我们必须非常、非常、非常 小心仔细地去探究它
——如果你们也愿意的话。
这意味着,你们愿意去聆听吗?
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你们有着你们自己关于「爱」的 各种观点看法,这是显而易见的。
你们有着自己关于「爱」的种种结论。
你说,“没有嫉妒,爱也不会存在了”,
“只有当有了「性」,才会存在爱”,
“只有当你爱你所有的邻居、
爱动物的时候,「爱」才会存在”, 等等这些东西。
你对于“什么是爱” 有着某种概念、某种观点、某种结论。
如果你有了上述这些东西, 那你就不可能去探究(什么是爱)了。
对吧?
如果你说,“它(爱)就是这样”, 那你就终结了这个问题。
这就像是某个古鲁会说,“我全知道,
我已经开悟了”,而你们是如此轻信, 于是便去追随他了。
你们从来不去质疑他。
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39:53
So, here we are…
there’s no authority, there is no speaker,
but we are asking a very, very serious question,
which may resolve the conflict, the control,
the constant battle between oneself and with another.
And to find that out, we must go very deeply
into this question of what love is,
not what compassion – I’m talking of love.
Don’t bring in another word and then confuse it.
We’re just talking of what human beings call ‘love.’
Love their animals, their pets, love their garden,
love their house, love their furniture, love their girl or a boy,
love their god, love their country – you follow?
–
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this thing called ‘love,’ which is so loaded,
which is so trodden upon.
So, we’re going to find out what it is – right?
Don’t go to sleep!
Or take notes.
I believe you are going to have cassettes,
which you can hear afterwards, if you want to.
But to take notes while the baby is crying
– that’s a good simile for you, you will understand it,
saying, ‘Why is he crying?,’ write it all, very carefully!
So, please, pay a little attention, that is, to hear.
That means, the art of listening.
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You know, that baby when he cries, you’re listening with all your might.
The art of listening means
– the word ‘art’ implies to put everything in its right place.
If you understand the meaning of that word, really,
that is the real art, not painting pictures and all the rest of it,
that comes secondary, or tertiary.
But the art of putting your life in its proper place,
which is to live, harmoniously.
When you have put everything in yourself, in its right place
you are free.
That putting everything in its right place, is part of intelligence.
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Then you say, ‘What do you mean?
You’re giving a new meaning to that word ‘intelligence.’
One must.
Intelligence implies reading between lines,
between words, between two silences, between speech
– listening,
so that your mind is all the time alert, to listen.
You not only hear with your ear,
but also, hear without the ear.
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所以,我们在这里是要
这里并没有什么权威, 这里也没有“演讲者”,
我们正在问一个非常非常严肃的问题,
而它或许可以解决 我和他人之间的冲突、控制
以及持续不断的斗争。
而要找到这个问题的答案, 我们就必须非常深入地去探究
这个关于“爱是什么”的问题,
不是“慈悲是什么” ——我在说的是「爱」。
所以不要再引入另一个词语 从而混淆了它。
我们只是在谈论 人类所说的“爱”是什么。
爱他们的动物,爱他们的宠物, 爱他们的花园,
爱他们的房子,爱他们的家具, 爱他们的女朋友或男朋友,
爱他们的神明,爱他们的国家 ——你们跟上了吗?——
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这个东西被称为“爱” ——它已经承载了太多的重量,
它已经受到了如此的践踏。
所以我们将要来搞清楚它是什么 ——好吧?
不要睡着啊!
也不要记笔记。
我相信你们都会得到一盒录音带的
——之后如果你想要重温的话, 听这个录音带就行了。
然而当小孩子正在哭的时候, 你们却在记笔记
——这对你们来说是个很好的比喻, 你们都能理解它,
说,“为什么他会哭呢?
”,把他哭的原因 全都非常认真仔细地写下来!
所以,请你们稍微集中一点注意力, 也就是去「聆听」。
那意味着一种「聆听的艺术」。
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你瞧,当那个小孩子哭的时候, 你会全神贯注地去听。
「聆听的艺术」就意味着
——“艺术”这个词的意思是 “把一切事物都放在它正确合理的位置上”。
如果你真正理解了这个词的含义,
这才是真正的「艺术」, 而不是「绘画」等等这类事情,
那都是次要的事情,甚至是第三位的事情。
而那种将「你的生活」 置于它正确合理位置的艺术
——也就是去和谐地生活。
当你将你内在的每一样事物 都放置在它正确合理的位置上时,
那时你就「自由」了。
将每一样事物都置于它正确合理的位置 ——这就是「智慧」的一部分。
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然后你会说,“你是什么意思呢?
你又赋予了「智慧」这个词 一种新的含义。
我们必须这么做。
「智慧」意味着 解读“弦外之音”,
解读“言外之意”, 解读两段静默或讲话之间的隐义
——去听,
由此你的头脑便始终能够保持警觉, 从而去聆听。
你不仅仅是用你的耳朵去听,
同样也要有那种“不用耳朵的聆听”。
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So, we are asking, what is the meaning and the beauty,
if there is beauty, of love?
That gives me an idea
– not an idea…
Have you ever considered what beauty is?
What does beauty mean?
Is it connected with desire?
Don’t deny it, look at it, carefully listen, find out.
Is beauty part of desire?
Is beauty part of the senses?
You see a marvellous building
– Parthenon, or an ancient Greek or Egyptian,
or one of these cathedrals, marvellous building –
your senses are awakened by the beauty of that.
So, is beauty part of this?
And is beauty the face, the colour, the shape,
the bones in the face, the clarity of the eyes
and the skin and the fair and – expression of man or a woman?
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You understand all these questions?
Or there is another quality of beauty which may transcend all this beauty,
which when that is part of this life
then the form, the face, everything has its place.
Whereas, if that is not captured, if that’s not understood,
the outward expression, outward –
all that becomes all important Right?
So, we’re going to find out what that beauty is.
If you’re interested.
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所以,我们正在问:「爱」是什么意思? 「爱」所蕴含的「美」
——如果存在「美」的话——又是什么意思?
这让我有了一个想法
——不是一个“想法”
你们是否曾经深入思考过 什么是「美」?
「美」意味着什么?
「美」和欲望有关吗?
不要否定它,而是去观察它, 小心仔细地聆听它,去搞清楚它。
「美」是欲望的一部分吗?
「美」是感觉的一部分吗?
你看到了一幢精美绝伦的建筑物
——帕台农神殿,或者古希腊或古埃及的建筑物,
或者某个大教堂,令人惊叹的建筑——
你的感觉被这种“美”激活了。
所以,「美」是不是它的一部分呢?
「美」是不是就是脸蛋、肤色、身材,
脸上的骨骼、眼神的清澈,
皮肤和白皙的肤色以及…… 男人或女人的表情?
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你们理解所有这些问题吗?
还是说,存在着另一种「美」的品质, 它也许是超越所有这类“美”的,
而当这种「美」成为了你生活的一部分时,
那么外形、脸蛋等等所有这类事物 就都会有其正确合理的位置了。
然而,如果你没有领会到这种「美」, 如果你没有理解这种「美」,
那么外在(美)的表达,外在的
所有这些东西就都会变得无比重要了。
对吧?
所以我们将要去发现 这种「美」是什么 ——如果你们也对此有兴趣的话。
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47:08
You know, when you see something
like that marvellous mountain against the blue sky,
the vivid bright, clear, unpolluted snow,
the majesty of it drives all your thought,
your concerns, your problems, out of you.
Have you noticed that?
You say, ‘How beautiful it is,’
and for two seconds, perhaps, or for even a minute,
you’re absolutely silent.
Right?
Haven’t you noticed it?
Which means what?
The grandeur of it drives away for the second
the pettiness of ourselves.
Right?
So, that immensity has taken us over.
Right?
You understand this?
Like a child with an intricate toy
– for an hour, he’s occupied.
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He won’t talk, he won’t make any noise,
he’s completely absorbed in that.
Which means the toy has absorbed him.
You follow this?
I am getting tired.
You understand?
So, the mountain absorbs you
and therefore, for the second, or minute, you’re absolutely quiet,
which means, there is no self.
Now, without being absorbed by something
– you understand?
– either a toy, a mountain, or a face,
or an idea or this or that,
to be, in oneself, completely without the ‘me,’
is the essence of beauty.
You understand all this?
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你瞧,当你看到某个事物
比方说那座在蓝天映衬下的壮丽的雪山,
那闪闪发亮的、清澈的、一尘不染的白雪,
它的雄伟壮丽将你所有的胡思乱想、
你的担忧、你的各种问题都驱赶走了。
你有没有注意到这一点?
你会说,“它是多么美丽啊”,
然后也许在两秒钟的时间里, 或者甚至在一分钟的时间里,
你会彻底安静下来。
对吧?
你难道没有注意到这一点吗?
而这意味着什么呢?
那就是:它的雄伟壮丽在那一刻驱散了
我们自身的卑微琐碎。
是吧?
所以,那种宏伟浩瀚“接管”了我们。
对吧?
你们能理解这一点吧?
就像当一个孩子得到了一个复杂的玩具
——那他便会全神贯注地玩它一个小时。
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他不会讲话,他也不会有任何吵闹,
他完全沉浸其中。
这意味着这个玩具已经深深吸引了他。
你们理解这点吗?
我都说得有点累了。
你们明白了吗?
所以,那座雪山已经吸引了你,
因此,在那一刻或者在那一分钟里, 你变得彻底安静了,
这意味着「自我」不存在了。
你瞧,如果你没有被某个事物所吸引
——你们能理解吗?
—— 不管是一个玩具、一座高山、一张脸,
还是某个理念,这个东西或那个东西,
当你内在能够完全没有“我”
——那这便是「美」的本质。 你们听懂所有这些了吗?
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49:38
So, we’re going to find what is love.
Because if we can find that out, our life may be totally different.
One can live without conflict, without control,
without any form of effort.
We’re going to find out.
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49:38
所以,我们将要来发现“什么是「爱」”。
因为如果我们可以搞清楚它, 我们的生活也许就会截然不同了。
我们将可以毫无冲突、毫无控制、
没有任何形式努力地生活。
我们将会来发现它。
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50:15
First of all, as we said the other day,
there is positive action, an action which is non-action.
I went into that – right?
Need I go into it, again?
In positive action, there is doing something about it,
controlling, suppressing, effort, dominating, avoiding,
explaining, rationalising,
and in the very process of analysing, rationalising,
there is an action which is considered positive,
doing something about it.
Right?
And we are saying there is an action… there is non-action,
which is not related to positive action,
it is not the opposite of it,
which is, to observe without action.
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Then, that very observation, as we pointed out,
brings about a radical transformation in that which is being observed,
which is non-action.
Do you understand this?
A little bit – it doesn’t matter, it’s your life.
We are so used to doing positive – right?
‘I must,’ ‘I must not,’ ‘This is right,’
‘This is wrong,’ ‘This is correct,’ ‘This should be,’
‘This must not be,’ ‘I’ll suppress, I’ll control’
– all this is strengthening the ‘me,’
which is the essence of disorder, which is the essence of conflict.
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If you see that, not verbally or intellectually or optically,
but actually see the truth of it,
then there is non-action, in which there is no effort.
Mere observation, itself, changes that which is being observed.
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50:15
首先,就像我们前几天说过的,
存在着一种“积极行动”,和另一种行动 ——它是“非行动”。
我已经探讨过它了——是吧?
还需要我再解释一下它吗?
在“积极行动”中, 我们会对某个事物“做一些事情”
——控制、压抑、努力、支配、回避、
解释、合理化,
而就在分析与合理化的过程中,
会产生一种行动, 这种行动被认为是“积极的”,
也就是对它“做一些事情”。
对吧?
而我们也说了,存在着另一种行动…… 存在着「非行动」
——它和“积极行动”是无关的,
它并不是“积极行动”的反面,
它是“去观察而没有行动”。
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就如我们所指出的: 那时,这种「观察」本身
就会给那个被观察物带来一种根本性的转变
——而这就是「非行动」。
你们听懂它了吗?
只听懂了一点儿 ——没关系,这是你的生活。
我们是如此习惯于 去采取“积极行动”——对吧?
“我必须怎么样”,“我必须不能怎么样”, “这才是对的”,
“这是错误的”,“这是正确的”,“应该这样子”,
“绝不能那样子”,“我要压抑它,我要控制它”
——而所有这些都加强了那个“我”,
而“我”就是混乱失序的本质 和冲突的本质。
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如果你看到了这一点,不是口头文字上、 思维智力上或者眼睛视觉上看到,
而是切实地看到了它的真相,
那么你就会有「非行动」了 ——在其中是没有「努力」的。
仅仅依靠「观察」本身就改变了那个被观察物。
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52:49
Quelle heure?
Twenty five after eleven.
What is that?
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52:49
(德语)现在几点了?
11点25分。你说什么?
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53:10
So, we’re asking, what is love?
And we said, we have got so many opinions about it:
opinions of specialists, opinions of gurus, opinions of priests,
your wife says or your girl says, ‘This is love,’
or you say, ‘This is love,’
or you say it is related to sex and so on, so on.
Is it?
Is it related to senses?
From the senses, arises desire.
Have you followed this?
Desire is the movement, the concentrated movement of desire,
the movement of the senses is desire,
obviously, sir, don’t look puzzled!
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I see a beautiful thing,
which is, the senses are awakened, and I want it.
Come on.
Look at it, for yourself.
You see, we are saying,
when there is the movement of the total senses,
the whole senses, not a particular sense,
then desire is non-existent.
You think it out.
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53:10
所以,我们正在问:什么是「爱」?
而我们说:我们已经得到了如此多的、 关于这个问题的观点看法:
来自各路专家的看法,来自古鲁的看法, 来自牧师祭司的看法,
你的妻子或你的女朋友也会说,“这就是爱”,
或者你会说,“这才是爱”,
或者你会说:爱是和「性」关联捆绑在一起的, 等等 等等。
是这样吗?
「爱」是和感官感觉关联绑定在一起的吗?
从「感觉」之中就产生出了欲望。
你们跟上它了吗?
「欲望」就是运动……欲望的集中化运动,
各种感觉的运动就是「欲望」
——这是显而易见的,先生,请别一脸困惑!
54:28
我看到了一个美丽的东西,
也就是,我的感官感觉被唤醒了, 于是我渴望得到那个东西。
加油啊。
请你自己去观察一下它。
你瞧,我们正在说的是:
当有了那种「全部感觉的运动」
——全部的感觉,而不只是某个特定的感觉——
那时「欲望」就不复存在了。
请你们好好想想它吧。
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55:14
So, is love the movement of the senses with its desire?
Right?
Is love, to put it differently, desire?
Sexually, senses are in operation
– the remembrance, the pictures, the images,
the sensations, all the time.
And that movement, of all that, is considered love.
Love, as far as one can observe, is part of desire.
Go slowly.
We haven’t enlarged it.
Don’t look puzzled or say, ‘No, that can’t be’
– we’re going into it.
Is love attachment?
You understand?
I am attached to my girl or boy.
I possess.
So, is attachment love?
And our whole life is based on attachment
– attachment to property, attachment to a person,
attachment to a belief, to a dogma, to Christ, to Buddha,
whatever it is – attached.
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Is that love?
When you’re attached, in that attachment, there is pain,
there is fear, there is jealousy, anxiety – you may lose.
So, we’re asking,
where there’s attachment, is there love?
When you observe it and you are concerned, deeply,
most profoundly, to find out what love is,
then attachment becomes unimportant, it has no value,
because that’s not love.
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55:14
所以,「爱」是感觉及其欲望的运动吗?
对吧?
换句话说,「爱」是欲望吗?
从「性」的角度来看,那些「感觉」正在活跃着
——那些回忆、画面、意象、
各种感官感觉 一直在活跃着。
而所有这些事物的活动 被认为是“爱”。
爱——就我们所能观察到的—— 它只是欲望的一部分。
慢慢来,我们还没有把它展开来细讲。
所以不要一脸困惑,或者说,“不,这不可能”
——我们将会来探讨它的。
「爱」是执著依恋吗?
你们理解了吗?
我执著于我的女朋友或男朋友。
我拥有着他(她)。
然而,「执著依恋」是「爱」吗?
而我们的整个生活 就是建立在「执著依恋」之上的
——执著于财产、执著于某个人、
执著于某个信仰或教条,执著于基督或佛陀
不管是什么东西——那种执著。
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它(执著)是爱吗?
当你执著依恋的时候, 在这种执著中就有着痛苦、
就有着恐惧、嫉妒、焦虑 ——因为你也许会失去那个东西。
所以,我们正在问:
当有了执著,还会有「爱」吗?
当你观察它的时候,你会深刻地、
极度地关心这个问题,想去发现 什么是「爱」,
那时「执著」就变得不再重要了, 它并没有什么价值,
因为它并不是「爱」。
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58:27
So, it’s not desire.
It’s not remembrance.
It’s not attachment.
Right?
It’s not, I’m telling you and you accept it – it is so.
And is love pleasure?
Don’t look so depressed.
I’m sorry!
It doesn’t mean you can’t hold the hand of another.
But we’ll find out, if you understand this.
We say desire, the outcome of sensation,
sensation attached to thought, thought attached to sensation,
and from that sensation, desire,
and that desire wants to fulfil and we call that ‘love.’
1:00:04
Is that love? Is attachment love?
In attachment, there is conflict, there’s uncertainty
and therefore, the more there is uncertainty,
the more the fear of loneliness, the more you become attached,
possessive, dominating, asserting, demanding,
and hence, conflict in relationship.
And this conflict is part, you think, of love.
And, we’re asking, is that love?
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58:27
所以,「爱」并不是欲望。
「爱」并不是「记忆」。
「爱」也不是执著依恋。
对吧?
这并不是……我告诉你, 然后你接受同意它——它就是如此。
此外,「爱」是快感吗?
请不要一脸沮丧。
不好意思!
这并不意味着你不能牵住 另一个人的手。
而是我们将会去找到答案, 如果你们已经理解了它。
我们说:欲望就是感官感觉的产物,
「感觉」依附于思想,思想执著于「感觉」,
从这种「感觉」之中就产生出了欲望,
这种欲望想要得到满足, 然后我们就把这称为“爱”。
1:00:04
可这是爱吗?「执著」是爱吗?
在「执著」中有着冲突、有着不确定,
因此,当「不确定」越多,
当对于孤独的恐惧越多, 你就会变得越执著,
于是你去占有、支配、声明、要求,
由此便有了关系中的冲突。
而你却认为这种冲突是「爱」的一部分。
而我们在问的就是:它是「爱」吗?
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1:00:49
And is pleasure, love?
Pleasure is the movement of a remembrance.
Right?
Don’t memorise this phrase.
Just listen to it.
I remember how nice you were
and how pleasant, how tender, how comforting, how sexual
– this, that and the other – I remember that,
and I say, ‘Oh darling, I love you.’
Is that love?
And is pleasure to be denied?
You must ask all these questions.
I’m asking it. You must ask, find out.
Doesn’t it give you a pleasure to look at the waters of a stream?
What’s wrong with that pleasure?
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Doesn’t it give you pleasure to look at a solitary tree in a field?
Doesn’t it give you pleasure to see the moon over the mountains,
as last night, you saw it, perhaps, some of you?
A great delight, wasn’t there?
What is wrong with it?
But the trouble begins when thought says, ‘How beautiful that is,
I must keep it, I must remember it, I must worship it,
I hope to have more of it’
Then the whole movement of pleasure comes into operation.
And that pleasure we call ‘love.’
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1:00:49
快感是爱吗?
快感就是记忆的活动。
对吧?
不要去死记这种说法。
只需要聆听它就行。
我记得你是多么的好、
多么的令人愉快、多么的温柔、 多么会安慰人、多么性感
——这个好、那个好——我记住了这些东西,
然后我说,“噢,亲爱的,我爱你”。
可这是爱吗?
那么,我们需要否定快感吗?
你必须要问一下所有这些问题。
我正在问它。而你也必须要问它,去找到答案。
当你看着小溪的流水, 它不也会带给你一种快乐吗?
这样的“快感”又有什么错呢?
1:02:16
当你远望田野里的那棵孤树时, 这不也会让你愉快吗?
当你欣赏山间的明月时, 它不也是会让你感到愉悦吗?
昨天晚上你们应该都看到月亮了 ——或许你们中一些人看到了?
那是一种巨大的愉悦,难道不是吗?
这种“快感”又有什么问题呢?
然而问题就在于,思想会说“它是多么美啊,
我必须要留住它,我必须要记住它, 我必须要崇拜它,
我希望能更多地体验它”。
于是,「快感」的全部运动便开始活跃起来了。
而我们就把这种快感称为“爱”。
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1:03:09
The child, the baby with the mother,
and she says... full of that tender affection,
feeling of holding.
Is that love?
Please, don’t jump on me.
Just, I’m asking.
Or that love is part of your heredity.
Have you seen the monkeys holding their babies?
The elephant caring for the little one, infinitely.
It may be that we have inherited this instinctual response to a baby.
And then, ‘It’s my baby.’
1:04:17
No, don’t shake your head.
‘It’s my baby, it’s of my blood, my bones, my flesh, I love it.’
And if you do love your baby, so greatly,
you will see he’s properly educated,
you will see that he’s never violent, he’s never killed or kills another.
But you don’t care.
You only care for that little baby until he is about four, five, six
and then throw him to the wolves.
Right?
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那个小孩,那个依偎着母亲的婴儿,
她说…… 充满了那种温柔的慈爱,
那种拥抱的感觉。
可这是「爱」吗?
请不要冲我发火。
我只是在询问它。
还是说,这种“爱”只是你们「遗传」的一部分。
不好意思(扶了扶话筒)
你们见过猴子拥抱它们的幼猴吧?
大象也会无限地关心小象。
所以我们可能也遗传继承了这种 动物对于它孩子的本能反应。
然后我们会说,“这是我的宝贝”。
1:04:17
不,请你们别摇头。
“他是我的宝贝,他是我的血脉, 他是我的亲生骨肉,我爱他”。
可如果你真的爱你的宝贝,爱得那么深的话,
你就会确保他受到良好正确的教育,
你就会确保他永远不要暴力, 他永远不会被别人杀死、或者去杀死别人。
但你们并不在乎。
你们只关心照顾那个小孩子到四岁、五岁、六岁,
然后就把他扔到了狼群之中。
是这样吧?
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1:05:05
So, is all this love?
Now, the positive action is to say, ‘No.
I will no longer have sex, I will no longer...’
– you know, ‘I will do this, I will get rid of attachment,
I’ll be free of attachment, I will work on attachment’
– work, do something about it, all the time.
Whereas, the negative action is to see it, in its entirety,
therefore, have an insight into it.
Then you will see that love is not any of these things,
but because there is love,
from that love, all relationship changes.
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1:05:05
所以,这一切是「爱」吗?
你瞧,那种“积极行动”就是说,“不,
我将不再有性爱,我将不再……”
——你知道的,“我将会这么做, 我将会摆脱掉「执著」,
我将会放下执著,我将会处理对付那种执著”
——一直不停地努力, 去对那个东西做一些事情。
然而,“消极否定性的行动”则是去观察它, 看到它的整体,
从而对它有所洞察。
然后你就会看到:「爱」并不是任何这些东西,
但因为有了「爱」,
经由这种「爱」, 所有的关系就会发生「改变」了。
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1:06:14
You know, the ascetics, the monks, the sannyasis in India, in Europe
and monks all over the world,
they have said, ‘No desire, no sex, don’t look at a beautiful woman.
If you do, think of her as your sister or your mother.
Or, if you do look, concentrate on the divine’
– you follow, all the rest of that…
And they are burning inside.
Outside denying but inwardly, burning.
And that’s what they call ‘religious life.’
Which means, they have no love.
They have an idea of what love is.
The idea is not love.
The idea, the word is not love.
But only when you have seen the whole movement of desire,
attachment, pleasure,
then out of that depth of perception
comes this strange flower, with its extraordinary perfume.
That is love.
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1:06:14
你瞧,那些苦行者、那些僧侣、 那些印度的托钵僧,还有在欧洲的
全世界所有的修道士,
他们都说,“不要有欲望、不要有性爱, 不要去看美丽的女人。
如果你要看的话,就把她想象成 你的姐妹或你的母亲。
或者,如果你确实看到了, 那就把注意力集中在那个神圣之物上”
——你们跟上了吗?
等等诸如此类的事情
然而他们内心的欲望却在燃烧着。
他们否定了外在,但却欲火中烧。
而他们就把这称为“宗教生活”。
这意味着:他们并没有「爱」。
他们有着关于“什么是爱”的观点看法。
然而「观点看法」并不是爱。
那个想法、那个词语并不是「爱」。
而只有当你看清了欲望、
执著、快感的全部运动,
那时从这种深度的洞察之中
才会开出那朵带着非凡芳香的奇异之花。
而这朵花才是「爱」。
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