Krishnamurti Subtitles
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OJ83T4 - 去「观察」而没有任何思想的活动
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| 0:46 This is not a sermon. Generally sermons mean a kind of moralising, semi-superstitious religious character. We are going together to take a very long journey. The last three talks were about our daily life and we went into various aspects of our life, the way of our days, our existence, our struggles, conflicts and miseries, and the ideological divisions that divide the world – religious, social, political, and so on. These divisions have brought about great wars and we are still, after so many millennia, we are still preparing wars to kill each other. 2:40 Very few people seem to pay attention to the insanity that’s going on; to all the terrible things that man is doing against man. We have been talking about all that together as two friends walking in a wooded lane, talking about not only their personal problems but the problems that exist in the world – the problems of human fear, the problems of relationship, and the everlasting pursuit of pleasure. | 0:46 克里希那穆提(以下简称“克”):这并不是一次“布道”。 一般来说,“布道”意味着 某种道德说教, 它具有半迷信的 宗教特征。 我们将要一起踏上一段 非常漫长的旅程。 前三次的演讲是关于 我们的日常生活的, 我们探讨了 我们生活的不同方面, 我们的日常生活方式,我们的生活, 我们的斗争、冲突与苦难, 以及那些割裂了全世界的 意识形态上的分裂 ——宗教的分裂、社会的分裂、 政治上的分裂,等等。 这些「分裂」带来了 大规模的战争, 而在经历了数千年之后, 我们仍然 我们仍然在为战争做准备, 去自相残杀。 2:40 似乎极少有人注意到 正在发生着的疯狂之事、 注意到人们对自己的同胞所做的 那些可怕之事。 我们已经一起讨论过了 所有这些东西, 我们就像是两个朋友那样, 漫步在林间小道上, 不仅谈论 他们个人的问题, 也会谈论 这个世界的各种问题, ——关于人类恐惧的问题、 关系的问题、 以及人类对于快感的 无止尽的追求。 |
| 3:41 And we were asking yesterday morning whether it is possible to end all sorrow, this constant battle between human beings, the sorrow of the world, and the sorrow of each one of us. And also we were pointing out, together, to each other, why human beings live the way they do. Why human beings, after so many centuries, from the ancient Sumerians, the Hindus, Egyptians, and the modern civilisation, we have never stopped killing each other and destroying nature – overpopulation, poverty, and the extraordinary divisions that are going on in the world. 5:09 The scientists don’t seem to pay much attention to the ending of war. Of course the politicians can never do that; that is their metier, their job, to sustain this conflict. And also we were talking yesterday the nature of compassion and its intelligence. And we should talk about together today whether it is possible at all, whether our brains, which have been conditioned, programmed, like a computer, so heavily conditioned, if it is possible to bring about freedom from that conditioning. | 3:41 而昨天早上我们问了: 我们是否有可能 结束所有的「苦」? 结束人与人之间 持续不断的战斗, 结束全世界的苦难 和我们每一个人的痛苦。 此外,我们也指出了…… 是我们双方一起向对方指出了这个问题: 为什么人类 要像现在这样子生活? 为什么在经历了 那么多个世纪之后 从古代苏美尔人、古代印度人 和古代埃及人开始, 一直到现代文明, 我们人类却从未停止过自相残杀, 从未停止过对自然的破坏 ——人口过剩、贫穷 和巨大的分裂, 这些事情正在全世界发生着。 5:09 科学家们似乎并不太在意 「结束战争」这件事。 当然了,那些政客也永远不可能 去结束战争, 因为他们的职业、他们的工作 就是去维持这种斗争冲突。 此外,昨天我们也谈论了…… 「慈悲」的本质 和「慈悲」的智慧。 而今天我们要一起来讨论一下: 我们究竟是否可能 ——也就是:我们的大脑…… 我们的大脑一直以来备受制约, 它就像一台电脑那样被编好了程序, 它有着如此巨大的局限, 那么,我们是否可能让它 摆脱掉这种局限呢? |
| 6:25 If one is aware at all that one is conditioned religiously, morally and that there is no freedom at all, as long as we are conditioned, there can be no freedom whatsoever. So we’re going to talk over together this morning, not only freedom, justice, goodness, and whether there’s the possibility of human beings ever moving away from the stream of so-called conditioned civilisation. | 6:25 如果一个人真的觉察到 自己是局限的 ——宗教上的局限、道德上的局限, 他根本就没有任何自由可言, 而只要我们还是局限的, 就不可能会有任何自由。 所以今天早上, 我们将要一起来讨论 不仅要讨论自由、公正、良善, 还要讨论 人类是否有可能脱离 这种所谓的 “受制约的文明”的洪流。 |
| 7:42 So first we should examine if there is justice at all in the world – justice being that which is law, that which is moral, correct, and equality. Law says we are all equal; but some are more apparently equal than the others. Clever lawyers can make anything of law, they can support anything, justify anything. So one asks if there is equality at all; because that has been one of the questions, not only Aristotle, Plato and all the Greek philosophers, but also long before them man has always been asking if there is not a possibility of equality, correct justice for all of us. 9:19 Apparently there is no equality, there can never be. You are tall, one is short. One is very clever, erudite, scholarly, capable of a great many things, and the other is not – dull, obeying, conforming, mere machine or a cog in a social structure. There is a vast difference between the two. You are beautiful, the other is not; you have a sense of the aesthetic, sense of beauty, the other is not sensitive at all. So where does one find justice, equality? Or it doesn’t exist at all apart from the philosophers and theoreticians, whether they be Marxist or theologians – and Marxists generally become theologians – and where does the sense of justice, equality exist? 10:58 Apparently on the earth, on this earth it doesn’t exist among human beings. So if one is enquiring into it as we are doing it now together – please, again, if one may remind you with due respect, that we are taking a journey together, not that the speaker is talking and you are just listening to a lot of words, ideas and concepts; but rather you and the speaker, as two friends walking down a lane, and in their friendship, who have known each other for a long time, are talking about all these things. Neither of them are imposing their ideas on the other, there is no sense of authority – among friends there is no authority. 12:22 Among friends there is not only sympathy, friendship, affection, but a sense of investigation. And there can be investigation when there is not only freedom from all bias, prejudice, but also a sense of wanting to understand the whole business of human existence. These two friends are communicating with each other. That’s our relationship – you sitting over there and the speaker sitting up a little higher. We are taking a journey together. If you don't want to take a journey together, deeply, it's your affair. But if you are going to sit here on a lovely morning, cool, fresh, and if one is aware of the beauty of every day, every fresh morning, the wonder of the world, it's a marvellous world and we are destroying it, in our relationship with each other and in our relationship to nature, to all the living things of this earth. | 7:42 所以首先,我们应该来检视一下 这个世界上究竟是否存在「公正」 ——「公正」就是那个作为「法律」的东西, 就是那个道德的、 正确的、平等的东西。 法律宣称人人平等; 然而有些人显然比其他人 享有“更多的平等”。 聪明的律师可以把任何事情 都变成法律, 他们可以支持任何东西, 证明任何事情的合法性。 所以我们要问: 究竟有没有「平等」, 因为这一直以来 都是人类的问题之一, 它不仅是亚里士多德、柏拉图 和所有希腊哲学家们所问的问题, 同样的,远在他们之前, 人类就一直在问了: 对于我们所有人来说, 是不是不可能有什么平等 与正确的公正。 9:19 很显然并不存在什么平等, 也永远不可能会有平等。 你长得很高,另一个人长得很矮。 一个人非常聪明、 博学、有学问, 他有能力做很多事情, 而另一个人则不是 ——他迟钝、只会服从、墨守成规, 仅仅是社会结构中的 一部机器或一个齿轮。 这两人之间 有着天壤之别。 你很漂亮,而另一个人并不漂亮; 你有着对「美」的品味、 拥有审美观, 但另一个人对「美」却完全没有感知。 所以我们要去哪里 才能找到公正和平等呢? 还是说,除了对于那些哲学家和理论家来说, 它(公正平等)根本就不存在 ——不管那些哲学家和理论家是马克思主义者还是神学家, 马克思主义者 通常都会变成神学家, 所以,那种公正感与平等感 又在哪里呢? 10:58 很显然在地球上,在这个地球上, 人类中并不存在这样的东西。 因此,如果我们去探询一下它的话 ——我们现在就在一起探询它。 ——请允许我再次 冒昧地提醒下你们, 那就是我们正在一起踏上旅程, 并不只是演讲者在那里讲话, 而你们只是听着 听着一大堆的话语、观点和概念; 而是你和演讲者就像是两个朋友一样, 漫步在乡间小路上, 我们是老朋友了, 彼此已经认识很久, 我们讨论着这些事情。 我们中任何一人 都没有将自己的想法强加于对方, 这其中没有任何的权威感 ——在朋友之间是不存在什么权威的。 12:22 在朋友之间, 不仅有着同感、友谊和关爱, 还会有一种探究感。 而要拥有这种探究, 我们不仅仅需要摆脱掉 所有的偏见、成见, 还需要有一种 想要去了解 人类生活的全部内容的渴望。 这两位朋友 正在彼此沟通交流。 这就是我们的关系 ——你坐在那儿, 而演讲者坐在 稍微高一点儿的地方。 我们正在一起踏上旅程。 如果你不想要和我一起深刻认真地踏上这趟旅程, 那是你的事儿。 但如果你想要坐在这里…… 在一个美好、凉爽、空气清新的早晨, 如果你觉察到了 每天的「美」, 每一个清新的早晨, 这个世界的奇观, 这是一个无比美妙的世界, 然而我们却正在彼此之间的关系中 摧毁这个世界, 在我们和大自然、和这个地球上万物生灵的关系中 摧毁这个世界。 |
| 14:11 So please, if one may constantly repeat, we are together in this journey. And this is a serious affair; not something to be got over on a Sunday morning; this is not an entertainment; and as most people are given to entertainment, religious and otherwise, we are, the friend and the speaker are very serious. They are having conversation not only at the superficial verbal level but at greater depth with greater significance. So if one may remind you that you and the speaker are taking a long journey. This journey never ends; that is the beauty of it. | 14:11 所以拜托了,如果允许我 经常重复一下它的话—— 那就是:我们正在一起踏上旅程。 这是一件很严肃的事情, 它不是一件在某个星期天早上 可以随便糊弄过去的事情, 它并不是一次娱乐活动 虽然大多数人 都喜欢娱乐 ——宗教娱乐和其他什么娱乐, 但我们——这位朋友和演讲者—— 却是非常严肃的。 他们正在进行的交谈 并不只是肤浅的口头文字层面的, 而是有着更深层次的、 更重大的意义。 所以如果允许我提醒下你们的话, 那就是:你和演讲者正踏上一段漫长的旅程。 这段旅程永远不会结束 ——而这就是它的「美」。 |
| 15:38 So we are asking: is there equality among human beings? Legally, apparently, we cannot find it. Nor by social dictum, nor religious saying that we are all brothers in the name of something or other. And when there is no equality there is no justice. So where does equality exist? Because that’s a very important question. If there is no equality we are going to perpetually destroy each other. To find that equality, there must be compassion. Only in compassion is there equality and justice, not in law, not through lawyers, not through various forms of United Nations and so on, not through little groups, little communes; but together can we find compassion? 17:31 Which is not a thing to be invented by thought. It’s not a thing to be put together by determination, by desire, but that compassion comes when there is right relationship between each of us. We went into that question very, very seriously in the last two or three talks. | 15:38 所以我们正在问: 人类之间是否存在平等? 很显然,我们是无法从法律上 找到平等的。 也无法从社会公认准则 或宗教教义中找到它—— 说什么“以某某之名, 我们都是兄弟姐妹”啥的。 而当没有了平等, 就不会有公正了。 所以平等在哪里呢? 因为这是一个 非常重要的问题。 如果没有了「平等」, 我们就会无止尽地摧毁彼此。 而要找到这种「平等」, 就必须要有「慈悲」。 只有在「慈悲」之中 才会有平等与公正—— 而不是在法律中,不是通过那些律师, 不是通过 各种形式的“联合国”等等, 不是通过各种小型团体、 小型公社, 而是我们能否共同找到那种「慈悲」? 17:31 「慈悲」并不是一个 思想发明出来的东西。 它并不是一个由决心、欲望 所拼凑起来的东西, 而是当我们每个人之间有了正确的关系时, 「慈悲」 就会出现了。 在过去的 两三次演讲中, 我们已经非常非常严肃认真地探讨过了这个问题。 |
| 18:13 So as our relationship is a perpetual conflict, the ending of that is the enquiry, the absolute immediate urgent change. Otherwise we are going to destroy each other. And we also should… he and I, the speaker, are saying to each other that we should talk about goodness. That word is old-fashioned, one hardly uses that word nowadays. The word ‘goodness’ means together; to bring together many things; to bring together many facets of our life so that all the broken parts, fragmented as we are, are put together, made whole, made harmonious; and from that goodness act. 19:42 That’s the meaning of that word ‘goodness’ – to live a life in which there is no fragmentation in ourselves. And a brain that’s pursuing fulfilment is fragmented always. So goodness, equality, justice and freedom. | 18:13 所以,由于我们的关系 是一种连续不断的冲突, 因此我们正在探询冲突的终结 ——那种完全的、即刻的、无比迫切的改变。 否则的话, 我们将会彼此摧毁。 此外,我们也应该…… 他和我——和演讲者——正在彼此交谈, 我们也应该来讨论一下「良善」。 这是一个老掉牙的词了, 如今我们已经不怎么使用它了。 「良善」这个词意味着“放在一起” 将很多东西汇聚在一起; 将我们生活的诸多方面汇集在一起, 由此所有的碎片、 和分裂的部分——我们就是分裂的—— 它们就会被整合在一起, 从而变得完整、变得和谐了; 然后「良善」就会由此而行动起来。 19:42 这就是「良善」这个词 的含义—— 也就是去过一种 内心没有分裂的生活。 而一个在追求满足的大脑 永远都是支离破碎的。 所以这就是良善、平等、 公正和自由。 |
| 20:20 Freedom – the word ‘freedom’ means love. Freedom is not from a prison; that’s only a reaction. Freedom from pain – we are not talking of physical pain, but psychological pain, freedom from it is an entrapment into another bondage. Freedom is not from something but freedom is in itself. If there is psychological hurt – and most of us are hurt from childhood – and that hurt is creating great pain and great misery to oneself and to others, mere freedom from hurt is not actual freedom. 21:41 Therefore freedom implies a sense of goodness that is whole; a holistic – if I can use that scientific word – a holistic way of living, not one fragment seeking freedom and the other fragments in bondage. There can be only freedom when there is this gathering together of all the fragments and living a life that is whole. The word ‘whole’ means healthy, physically; the word ‘whole’ means sanity, rational, and the word also means holy, h-o-l-y. And goodness implies all that. | 20:20 自由——「自由」这个词 就意味着「爱」。 「自由」并不是离开监狱 ——离开监狱只是一种「反应」。 自由并不是摆脱掉痛苦 ——我们这里说的不是身体上的痛苦, 而是心理上的痛苦, 摆脱掉这种痛苦 但摆脱痛苦其实就是陷入了另一种束缚之中。 「自由」并不是“摆脱掉某物” ——自由是本自具足的。 如果我们有着心理上的创伤 ——我们大多数人都有童年创伤—— 那么这种心理创伤 就会 给我们自己和他人带来巨大的痛苦和苦难, 而仅仅是“摆脱掉”创伤 并非真正的自由。 21:41 因此,自由意味着一种 完整圆满的「良善」的感受; 它是「整体性」的 ——如果我可以使用这个科学词汇的话—— 它是一种整体性的生活方式, 它不是一个碎片在寻找自由, 而其他的碎片却处于束缚中。 想要「自由」出现, 只有当所有的碎片 汇聚整合在一起、 然后去过那种「整体性的生活」时才可以。 「整体」这个词 意味着身体上的健康, 这个词也意味着 心智健全、理智理性, 这个词还有“神圣(holy)”的意思——h-o-l-y。 「良善」意味着所有这些东西。 |
| 22:58 And we are asking whether the brain, which has been conditioned, been programmed to be a Catholic, to be a Protestant, and all the divisions of Christianity, the worship of one person constantly repeated over and over again, as they do in India and Buddhist countries. There they take a name and that name symbolises something which they hope to be true, as the Christian world does. In the Christian world you have been programmed, my friend has been programmed for 2,000 years – whether the person existed or not, that is not the point. 24:12 There is a doubt of his existence, but what the church and all that have made of that person is obviously so unrealistic, such superstition, such idealistic, romantic, sentimental business. They do exactly the same thing in India, in Islam. In the Buddhist countries where they don’t believe in God – that’s one of their sayings, the Buddhists don’t believe in God – but they have made the Buddha into a god. It’s the same pattern repeated throughout the world generation after generation. And this is called religion. 25:14 We’ll talk about it presently. So we are conditioned by this. We have been programmed; we receive great many impressions, coercions, propaganda. Day after day if you listen to the commercials in this country – buy, buy, buy. And the religions do the same thing. So our brains are conditioned; not only by exterior influences, pressures and propaganda, but also inwardly, psychologically, our desires, our fears, our greed, our beliefs, all that, our sorrows and pain, condition the brain. | 22:58 而我们正在问: 大脑一直以来深受制约, 它被程序化而设定为是一个天主教徒、 一个新教徒和所有那些 基督教的分支教派, 持续不断地去崇拜某个人物, 一遍又一遍地重复—— 就像印度和佛教国家的人们 所做的那样。 在那里,人们会反复念诵一个名字, 因为那个名字象征着某种东西, 而他们希望那个东西可以成真 ——基督教世界也是这么做的。 在基督教世界, 你们也被程序化了, 我的朋友已经被程序化了 有两千年之久了—— 而那个“人物”究竟存在与否, 这并不是重点。 24:12 我们怀疑他是否存在, 教会等等已经创造出了 这个人物, 而他显然是非常不真实的, 是如此的迷信, 是如此唯心主义、浪漫空想 和感情用事的玩意儿。 而在印度、在伊斯兰教国家, 人们也在做着完全一样的事。 但在佛教国家, 那里的人们并不相信神明 ——这是佛教的教诲之一, 佛教徒并不信神—— 然而他们却把佛陀本人 变成了一个神。 这是一个在全世界不断重复的 相同的模式, 它世世代代地重复着。 25:14 而这就被称为是“宗教”。 我们马上就会来探讨它。 所以,我们已经被它所制约了。 我们已经被程序化了; 我们接收了无数的印象、 强制与宣传洗脑。 日复一日地接收它,如果你听一下 这个国家(美国)的那些商业广告 ——它在叫你不停地买、买、买。 而宗教也在做着同样的事情。 所以我们的大脑是备受制约的 ——不仅仅被外在的各种影响、 压力和宣传洗脑所制约, 同样也会受到内心的、心理上的制约: 我们的欲望、恐惧、贪婪、 信仰 等等这些东西,我们的苦难和痛苦, 这些东西局限了大脑。 |
| 26:36 So one of the questions, which is very important to ask, can the brain cells – please, my friend and I are talking together, there is no disturbance, we are both together aware of the question, and asking each other that question: whether the brain cells can themselves transform, change, otherwise conditioning will go on forever. There is a whole school which says, conditioning can never be radically changed. It can be modified, it can be made more habitable, easier to live with; there is that whole school. 27:47 But the friend and… we are saying to each other: is that so? Or, is it possible to change radically? Not bit by bit, partially, but totally. Unless there is that radical change, man is going to live forever in conflict, pain, sorrow, destroying each other; each one asserting his own demands, his own desires, his own pursuits, his own fulfilment. And so there is never coming together and therefore there is never peace in the world. So the friend says, is it possible? It is possible when you perceive the total content of consciousness. 29:15 Our consciousness, with all its reactions, is like a tide going out and coming in – action, reaction; it’s the movement, that’s perpetual movement. And all the content – the belief, the dogmas, the rituals, the pursuits of various kinds, the desires and so on – the whole content of our consciousness is what we are. Our name, our form, our bank account, not exact bank account – attachment, all that is what you and the friend are. That consciousness is the consciousness of humanity. 30:24 It’s not yours or mine; the consciousness of all mankind. Because all mankind goes through agonies, great pain, loneliness, despair, depression, chattering away. That’s the consciousness, whether you go to India, Japan, Russia or here. So we are humanity. We talked about that yesterday. So is it possible to bring about a radical change in our consciousness? | 26:36 所以我们的问题之一——这是一个非常重要的问题—— 就是:大脑细胞是否能够 ——请注意,我的朋友和我正在一起讨论, 没有任何东西在干扰我们, 我们双方都察觉到了 这个问题, 于是我们向对方提出了这个问题: 大脑细胞本身是否能够 发生转变、发生改变? 因为否则的话, 局限就会永远地持续下去。 有这么一个学派,他们认为 人类的局限 永远无法被彻底地改变, 你只能修改它,只能把它变得 更好相处、更容易忍受。 27:47 有那么一大学派是这样子认为的。 但我的朋友和…… 我们对彼此说:是这样的吗? 还是说,人类有可能 彻底地改变? 不是一点一点地、局部地改变, 而是完全彻底地改变。 除非有了这种根本性的改变, 否则人类将永远地 活在冲突、痛苦与苦难中, 人类会互相摧毁, 每一个人都坚持他自己的要求, 执著于他自己的欲望、 他自己的追求、他自己的实现。 所以人类永远无法团结在一起, 由此也就永远不会有 全世界的和平。 因此我的朋友问:人类可能彻底改变吗? 当你看清了「意识」的全部内容后, 它才有可能。 29:15 我们的意识 及其所有的反应, 它就像是潮水的涨落一样 ——行动、然后产生反应 这就是它的运动, 它是一种连续不停的运动。 而所有的(意识)内容: 那些信仰、教条、宗教仪式、 各种追求、 各种欲望 等等, 我们意识的全部内容 ——它就是我们的真实模样。 我们的名字、我们的外形、我们的银行账户, 不是那个有着具体数字的银行账户——而是那种(对金钱的)执著, 所有这些就是 你和你朋友的实际模样。 你们的那种意识 也是人类的意识。 30:24 它并不是你的意识或我的意识, 它是全人类的意识。 因为所有人都会经历 巨大的痛苦和折磨、 经历孤独、绝望、 抑郁、喋喋不休。 这是全人类的意识——不管你去印度、日本、 俄罗斯,还是在这里(美国)都一样。 所以我们就是全人类。 我们昨天已经探讨过这一点了。 那么,是否可能为我们的意识 带来一次根本性的改变呢? |
| 31:17 It is possible if you are aware without direction, without control, without motive, just to watch all the thoughts, the anxieties, just to watch it, not run away from it. Like watching a great jewel in your hand, watching all the facets of it – the colour, the brightness, the dull spots, the open spaces – to watch it without any movement of thought. Then that brings about radical change in the very brain cells themselves. We have talked about it briefly yesterday morning. | 31:17 它是可能的——如果你可以去觉察 去毫无方向、毫无控制、 毫无动机地觉察, 只是去观察所有的念头、 所有的焦虑, 只是去观察它, 而不要逃离它。 就像你注视你手中的一颗精美的宝石一样, 你会观察它的每一个琢面 ——观察它的颜色、亮度、 暗斑和透光区—— 你会欣赏它 而没有任何思想的活动。 而这就能够为大脑细胞本身 带来根本性的改变。 我们昨天早上已经 简要地讨论过它了。 |
| 32:21 We ought to talk now about what is religion. Because religion has apparently, from the most ancient of days, has played an extraordinary part in life. Each civilisation, however ancient, have had their idea of religion – worshipping the sun, worshipping the trees, worshipping thunder, lightening – probably that’s better than all the other things. From the most ancient days man sought something beyond himself, transcending himself; the ancient Sumerians, the ancient Hindus, the Egyptians, and much later Christianity and still later Islam, all those people through generation after generation of thousands and thousands of years, have established various kinds of religion. 33:56 And out of those religions came culture, civilisation. Christianity, Buddhism – Buddhism exploded all over Asia, and Christianity is doing the same in the Western world, trying to spread its own doctrine, its own philosophy, its own saviour. Man has been seeking throughout his days if there is something beyond. | 32:21 而现在,我们也应该来探讨一下 “什么是宗教”。 因为很显然, 从亘古之初开始, 宗教一直在人类生活中 扮演着极其重要的角色。 每一个文明——无论是多么古老的文明—— 都有着他们对于宗教的概念 : 比如崇拜太阳、 崇拜树木、 崇拜打雷、闪电 ——而崇拜这类东西 可能还比崇拜其他东西更好一点。 从最古老的时代开始, 人类就一直在寻找 某种高于他自身、超越他自身的事物; 古代苏美尔人、 古代印度人、古代埃及人, 和过了很久之后出现的基督教, 以及基督教之后的伊斯兰教, 所有这些人 经历了一代又一代, 经历了成千上万年的时间, 建立起了 各种宗教。 33:56 然后经由这些宗教, 便产生出了「文化」和「文明」。 比如基督教、佛教 ——佛教已经在亚洲地区遍地开花了, 而基督教在西方世界 也是如此, 它努力去传播自己的教义、 自己的哲学、自己的救世主 等等。 人类自古以来就一直在寻找 是否存在着某种超越性的事物。 |
| 34:49 And in his search for something beyond, thought created God. Please, don’t get upset with it, examine it. My friend says, I’m not upset, but I’m listening. I’m cautious; I don’t want to become an atheist, a non-believer, but I am willing to listen to you. Thought has created that thing which we call God. Because ourselves are so confused, so insecure, so uncertain, so fearful, suffering, lonely, and I do not know how to solve all those, and I look for somebody outside, somebody to guide, somebody to protect, somebody to give me security. 36:12 Thought is perpetually seeking security. And as it discovers there is none as long as there are individuals fighting each other, as long as groups are separated from each other, as long as there is tribalism of any kind, there must be wars, insecurity, no protection, therefore thought says, let me have some great figure, father entity – or mother entity, whichever you choose. Both in India, there are many gods and goddesses, there are about 300,000 of them. You can choose one or two as you please; that’s more fun. 37:11 But to have only one god is rather tiresome. But man has always sought this thing. And the priest comes along – he is like the rest of us – he says, I’ll help you. He becomes the interpreter, because in the ancient days the priest was the only person who was capable of reading and writing. He interpreted that which he called god. And then he invented all the paraphernalia to make himself important – the robes, mitre, you know, the whole circus. | 34:49 而就在人类寻找某种超越性事物的过程中, 思想创造出了“上帝”。 请不要因为这话而感到生气, 而是去检视它。 我的朋友会说:我没有生气, 我正在听你讲。 我会慎之又慎的, 我并不想变成一个无神论者、 一个没信仰的人, 但是我愿意聆听你的话语。 思想已经创造出了那个 我们称之为“上帝”的东西。 因为我们自己是如此的混乱困惑、 有着强烈的不安全感、不确定感, 如此的恐惧、痛苦和孤独, 并且我并不知道 如何去解决所有这些问题, 于是我便去找某个外人, 去找某个人来指引我、保护我、 给予我安全感。 36:12 思想永无止息地在 寻找安全感。 而由于它发现并不存在什么安全 ——因为只要个体 还是在彼此斗争, 只要团体 仍然在彼此割裂, 只要还是存在 任何形式的部落主义, 那么就必定会有战争、不安全 和缺乏保护了, 所以思想说: 让我拥有某个伟大的人物吧, 某个如父亲般的存在者、或者如母亲般的存在者 ——无论你们选择哪个。 在印度,这两者皆有, 印度有着无数的男性神明和女性神明, 印度有大约三十万个神明。 你可以根据自己的喜好来选择其中的一两个 ——这可有趣多了。 37:11 只有一个“上帝” 也太无聊了。 人类一直在寻求这个东西。 然后牧师/祭司过来了 ——他其实和我们一样—— 他说:我将会帮助你。 于是他就变成了那个“诠释者”, 因为在古时候, 牧师/祭司是唯一能够…… 读书写字 的群体。 他会解释那个 他称之为“上帝”的事物。 然后他又发明出了 所有相关的物品, 以此来让自己变得重要—— 那些长袍、主教法冠, 你知道的,这整场闹剧。 |
| 38:08 So man, in spite of all the churches and temples and mosques, has always sought something beyond. And that which is beyond is not to be described or put into words; but a man who discovers it, sees something beyond. His friend says, let’s get it organised so we can spread it to all the people. So organisations, religious organisations, kill truth. I hope my friend sees the fact. So we are asking: in spite of all the religions and their nonsense, meaningless words and rituals, with their dogmas and superstitions – it’s really a network of superstitions – whether in spite of all that, what is religion? | 38:08 所以,尽管已经有了那么多的 教堂、寺庙和清真寺, 人类仍然一直在寻找某种“超越性的事物”。 然而那个超越性的事物 是无法被描述或诉诸于语言文字的, 但有个人发现了它, 他看到了某种超越性的存在。 于是他的朋友说: 让我们围绕它来建立一个组织吧, 这样我们就可以把它传播给所有人了。 因此,组织——那些宗教组织—— 便扼杀了「真理」。 我希望我的朋友看到了这个事实。 所以我们正在问: 先不管所有那些宗教 和它们荒谬的、毫无意义的话语与仪式, 以及它们的教条与迷信 ——它们真的是一个 迷信的罗网—— 先不管所有这些东西, 让我们来看看:什么是「宗教」? |
| 39:29 The word ‘religion’ has no etymological meaning. They haven’t been able to discover the origin of that word. But generally it’s ascribed as ‘attention’. To be attentive, to diligently work, think, act, live, behave. And, in asking this question whether there is something sacred beyond all thought, we’re going to enquire together into that; whether in spite of all man’s endeavour, his superstitions, his rituals, the terrible things they have done in the name of religion – I wonder if the Christians realise they have killed more people than anybody else – in spite of all that, is there something holy, something totally sacred, not invented by thought, which is not the result of some romantic, sentimental imagination; or sentimental longing? 41:22 Putting aside all that, we are asking the question of each other: if there is something sacred – not something which is sacred to you and not to the other – which is beyond all time and measure. | 39:29 「宗教」这个词并没有什么 词源学上的含义。 人们未能发现 这个词的起源。 但它通常被认为出自于 “注意”这个词。 去保持注意, 去勤奋地工作、思考、 行动、生活和做事。 而在询问这个问题的过程中…… ——也就是:是否存在着某种 超越所有思想的神圣之物? 我们将会一起来 探询这个问题; 那就是:抛开所有 人类的努力、迷信、 各种仪式、还有那些人们以宗教之名 所做的骇人之事 ——我不知道基督教徒们是否意识到 他们所杀的人 要比其他任何人都多—— 抛开所有这些东西后, 是否还存在着某种圣洁的、 某种完全神圣的、 并非由思想所发明出来的事物? 它并不是某种 浪漫多情的想象的产物、 也不是多愁善感渴望的产物。 41:22 抛开所有这些东西, 我们正在询问对方这个问题: 是否存在某种「神圣之物」 ——不是某种对你来说是神圣的、 但对别人来说并非神圣的事物—— 这种神圣之物是超越所有「时间」与「度量」的。 |
| 41:56 Now the enquiry into this is meditation. The word ‘meditation’ means ‘to ponder over’. To think over, to observe exactly things as they are, not try to escape from ‘what is’, but to understand, not verbally or intellectually, to delve deeply into ‘what is’. So the word ‘meditation’ means not only to observe, ponder over, but also it means both in Sanskrit and in Latin, and so on, to measure. As long as there is measurement, psychologically… technologically, from Greeks and from the ancient Hindus and so on, measurement has been necessary. Otherwise you couldn’t build a temple; you couldn’t bring about the whole world of technology. 43:40 Measurement is necessary. But measurement psychologically is comparison; to compare ‘what is’ to ‘what should be’. To compare what I was yesterday with what I will be tomorrow. You understand? The whole process of comparison. Where there is comparison, there must be measurement – I am dull, but you are clever; you are beautiful, I am not. There is this constant comparison in us between the ideal and the fact; the fact of violence and the ideal of not being violent, that is comparison. In meditation, that comparison must totally end. | 41:56 而现在,对于这个问题的探询 便是一种「冥想」。 「冥想」这个词的意思是 “去沉思”、 去反复仔细地思考、 去观察事物确切的模样, 不试图逃离它的“真实现状”, 而是去了解它, 但不是在口头文字或思维智性层面 去深入钻研“真实现状”。 所以「冥想」这个词 不仅意味着去观察、去沉思, 同样的,在梵文、拉丁文等语言中, 它也意味着“去度量”。 只要还是存在「量度」 ——心理上的量度、 技术上的量度 ——这种量度从希腊人、古印度人等等开始就有了, 「量度」是必不可少的。 否则的话,你们是无法建造一座寺庙的, 你们将无法带来 整个科技世界。 43:40 「量度」是必须要有的。 然而“心理上的量度” 就会成为一种「比较」, 拿“真实现状”和“应该怎么样” 去对比。 拿“我昨天的模样” 去和“我明天将会成为的模样”对比。 你们理解了吗? 这整个「比较」的过程。 而当有了「比较」, 那就必定会有「量度」 ——我很愚钝,但你却很聪明; 你很漂亮,但我并不漂亮。 在我们内心会有这种持续不断的比较 ——这种理想和现实之间的对比; 暴力的事实和“非暴力”的理想 ——这就是「比较」。 而在「冥想」之中, 这种「比较」必须彻底结束。 |
| 45:01 And physically, sometimes it’s necessary to compare between a good car and a bad car; between a good material and a bad material; between a good painting and a bad painting. Comparison between tall and short, comparison between light and darkness; there it’s obvious; it exists. But psychologically, inwardly, why do we compare at all? Can one live without comparison? Have you ever tried to live without comparison? 45:57 Then you start with actually ‘what is’. Then you can put your teeth into ‘what is’. But if you are always comparing yourself with something else, yourself with a hero, with all examples, then you are never coming face to face with yourself or becoming familiar with yourself. So is it possible never to compare? Comparison breeds conflict. Comparison is a form of competitiveness, aggression. | 45:01 从外在物理层面来说, 有时候是需要去比较的 对比好的汽车和差的汽车, 对比好的料子 和差的料子, 对比好的绘画作品 和差的绘画作品。 对比高个子和矮个子, 对比光的明暗度——在这些领域中很显然需要对比, 「比较」是存在的。 然而在心理上、内在层面, 我们究竟为什么要去比较呢? 我们可以没有「比较」地生活吗? 你是否曾经尝试过 没有比较地去生活呢? 45:57 这样你便是真正地从 “真实现状”开始了。 那时你就可以 非常深入地去探究“真实现状”了。 然而如果你总是在拿自己 和别的事物对比, 拿你自己和某个英雄、 和所有那些榜样对比的话, 那么你就永远无法 直面你自己、 或者熟悉了解你自己了。 所以,我们是否可能永远不要去比较呢? 「比较」会滋生冲突。 「比较」就是 竞争性和攻击性的一种形式。 |
| 46:55 The speaker generally puts religion and meditation at the end of the talks because for a very simple reason: you cannot possibly find out that which is sacred, if there is such thing as sacred, or what meditation means, unless you have established firmly what is right relationship in which there is no conflict but learning, where there is no fear psychologically. We went into this, and the understanding of desire and pleasure; and the ending of sorrow. Unless that is well-established like a great foundation, it is meaningless to meditate. You may repeat endlessly various words, whether they be Sanskrit or your own words; whether you repeat the Indian word ‘mantra’ – lots of people have made money on that. 48:42 One of these chief business-givers of mantras is a multimillionaire. The word, as we explained, ‘mantra’ means, to ponder over, not becoming psychologically. And also it means to put away altogether self-centred activity. That’s the real root meaning of that word, which is a marvellous word, but look what they have made of it. So what is religion and if there is anything sacred at all or there is no such thing as sacred, just nothing. Or there is something, but to find out or to come upon it or for it to exist, meditation is necessary. | 46:55 演讲者通常都会把「宗教」和「冥想」 放在一系列演讲的最后来讲, 原因非常简单: 因为你是不可能 发现那个神圣的事物 你也无法知晓是否存在这种“神圣之物” 或者 冥想意味着什么 ——除非你已经坚定地确立了 “什么才是正确的关系”, 在这种关系中没有冲突, 而只有「学习」, 当没有了 心理上的恐惧 ——我们已经讲过这个了—— 当我们了解了欲望和快感, 并结束了「苦」。 除非我们已经很好地建立起了 一个坚实的基础, 否则“冥想”将是毫无意义的。 你也许可以 无休止地重复各种咒语—— 不管它们是梵文咒语、 还是你自己的咒语, 或者你重复的是 印度的“曼陀罗(mantra)” ——有很多人 在靠它(曼陀罗)赚钱。 48:42 在这些用“曼陀罗”来赚钱的头部人物中, 有一个已经成了千万富翁。 就如我们所解释过的: “曼陀罗”这个词的意思是 去沉思, 不要在心理上去“成为什么”。 此外,“曼陀罗”也意味着 完全摒弃自我中心的活动。 这才是这个词真正的词根的含义 ——“曼陀罗”是一个很美妙的词语, 然而看看人们已经把它变成什么样了。 所以,什么是宗教? 究竟是否存在任何神圣之物? 还是说并不存在这种神圣的事物, 没有这样的东西。 还是说存在着某种事物,然而要发现它 或者说邂逅它,或者说想要它存在的话, 冥想就是必需的。 |
| 50:16 Meditation generally has so many forms. There is a Zen meditation. I hope the friend, we are asking the friend, I hope you don’t mind going through all this nonsense – there is Zen meditation, there is the Tibetan meditation, there is the Buddhist form of meditation, various forms of Hindu meditations, and in this country it is called contemplation, in the Western religious world. Now all those imply, from the Zen to the latest guru with his twaddle, nonsense, is to control thought. And all so-called serious people who have meditated, controlling thought, apparently have never – I hope some of them have – apparently they never have asked who is the controller? 51:39 Who is the controller who controls thought? Is not the controller part of thought? Is not the controller the entity who has remembered all the past incidents, travail and anxiety, that remembrance is the controller? The controller is part of thought. As long as there is division between the controller and the controlled, there must be conflict. But the controller of thought is thought itself. So all the advocates of meditation, so many forms of it, practising day after day some system, method, becoming more and more dull, more and more insensitive – it is essential to be sensitive, sensitive to nature, sensitive to each other, sensitive to all the living things of the earth. 53:15 But if your mind is constantly occupied, whether with sex, whether with god, whether with your own achievements, your own worries, that brain becomes more and more dull, stupid and insensitive. So on the contrary, meditation implies tremendous activity of the senses, and sensitivity, aware of all this. | 50:16 冥想通常会有 很多形式。 我们有着禅宗冥想。 我希望我的朋友…… 我们正在询问这位朋友, 我希望你们不介意讨论 所有这些乱七八糟的玩意儿 ——我们有着禅宗冥想, 有着那种西藏人的冥想, 还有佛教徒的 冥想形式, 以及各种印度教的冥想, 而在这个国家(美国)中, 它(冥想)被称为“静观默想” ——这是它在西方宗教世界中的名称。 然而,所有这些东西都暗示了 ——从禅宗冥想到最新的古鲁 和他的胡说八道—— 它们都暗示了「对思想的控制」。 所有那些在进行“冥想”的、 所谓的“严肃人士”, 他们都在控制思想念头, 但很显然,他们从来没有…… ——我希望他们中有人曾经这样做过……—— 很显然他们从来没有问过: 谁才是那个控制者? 51:39 那个在控制思想念头的 控制者是谁? 这个控制者难道不是思想的一部分吗? 这个控制者难道不正是 那个记得所有过去的事件、困苦 和焦虑的个体吗? 那些「记忆」是不是就是控制者? 那个控制者就是思想的一部分。 只要还是存在着控制者 和被控制物之间的分裂, 那就必定会有冲突。 然而那个思想的控制者, 它就是思想本身。 因此,所有那些提倡冥想的人, 无数的冥想形式, 日复一日地练习 某种冥想体系、冥想方法 ——它们变得越来越迟钝、 越来越麻木不仁了, 然而保持敏感是至关重要的, 对大自然敏感, 对彼此敏感, 对这个地球上的万物生灵保持敏感。 53:15 但如果你的头脑 持续不断地被占据: 被「性爱」所占据、被神明所占据、 被你们自己的各种成就、 各种烦恼所占据, 那么大脑就会变得 越来越迟钝、愚蠢和不敏感了。 所以,恰恰相反,冥想意味着 各种感官的极度活跃 和敏感性,能觉察到所有这一切。 |
| 54:01 All this requires a great deal of energy. Not only the energy created by thought through conflict, but energy which is not being wasted. You understand? Wasted through conflict, wasted through endless chatter, chatter; wasted in the pursuit of innumerable desires without understanding what is desire and so on. We have got tremendous energy – to go to the moon requires tremendous energy and thousands of people. So we have untold energy if that energy is not misused or wasted. | 54:01 所有这些都需要 巨大的能量。 不仅仅是那种思想经由冲突 而创造出来的能量, 也包括那些不会被浪费掉的能量。 你们理解了吗? 那些经由冲突而被浪费掉的能量, 经由无止尽的喋喋不休 而浪费掉的能量, 以及在追求无数欲望的过程中 被浪费掉的能量 ——而我们还没有了解 什么是欲望 等等。 我们有着巨大惊人的能量 ——要登陆月球, 这需要巨大的能量 和成千上万人的合作。 所以如果那些能量没有被误用或浪费, 那我们就会拥有无穷无尽的能量。 |
| 55:14 And to find that which is sacred, one must have doubt, scepticism; because that doubt, scepticism, healthy scepticism, you can’t doubt everything, but in the process of doubting you clear the brain of all its stupidities, its superstitions, its illusions. The brain then becomes extraordinarily alive, subtle. So meditation is not controlling thought, or practising some system or method, but freeing the mind, freeing the brain from its own conditioning. | 55:14 而要去发现那个神圣之物, 我们就必须保持质疑、某种怀疑态度; 因为那种质疑、怀疑态度 ——是健康合理的怀疑, 你可不能去质疑每一样事物, 但在质疑的过程中, 你就可以清理大脑中 所有的愚蠢、 迷信和错觉了。 那时大脑就会变得 极其活跃和敏锐。 所以「冥想」并不是 控制思想, 或者去练习某种冥想体系或冥想方法, 而是让头脑重获自由, 把大脑从它自己的局限中解脱出来。 |
| 56:22 That’s only the beginning of it. When there is that freedom, then we can enquire into what is a brain that is silent. Because it’s only through great silence you learn, you observe, not when you are making a lot of noise. To observe those hills, and these beautiful trees, to observe your wife and your children, or your husband and your relatives, or whatever they are, to observe you must have space and there must be silence. But if you are chattering, gossiping, you have no space or silence. 57:30 And we need space, not only physically, but much more psychologically, that space is denied when we are thinking about ourselves. It’s so simple. Right? Because when there is space, vast space psychologically, there is great vitality, great energy. But when that space is limited to one’s own little self, that vast energy is totally contained within its limitation. So that’s why meditation is the ending of self. | 56:22 而这也只是冥想的开始。 当有了那种自由, 我们才能够去探询 “什么是寂静的大脑”。 因为只有通过巨大的寂静, 你才能够去学习、去观察…… ——而不是当你发出 无数噪音的时候。 去观察那些小山 和美丽的树木, 去观察你的妻子 和你的孩子, 或者去观察你的丈夫、你的亲戚、 或者无论什么人, 要观察,你就必须要有「空间」, 必须要有「寂静」。 但如果你在喋喋不休、说三道四, 那你就没有什么空间或寂静了。 57:30 而我们需要空间, 不仅仅是外在物理上的空间, 我们更需要的是心理上的空间, 然而当我们在为自己考虑的时候, 这种空间便被否定了。 这是很简单的道理。是吧? 因为当有了空间 ——心理上的广阔空间, 那么就会有巨大的活力与能量。 然而当那个空间被约束在 我们自身渺小的「自我」之中, 那么那股巨大的能量便完全被束缚在 (自我)的局限范围内了。 所以,这就是为什么我们说 「冥想是自我的终结」。 |
| 58:38 One can listen to all this endlessly, but if you don’t do this, what is the point of your listening? If you actually are not aware of yourself, of your words, your gestures, your walk, the way you eat, why you drink and smoke and all the rest of the things human beings are doing – if you are not aware physically of all that, how can one be aware at depth profoundly of what’s going on. If you are not aware… if one’s not aware, then one becomes so shoddy, middle-class, mediocre. 59:43 The word ‘mediocre’ means, the root meaning of that word means ‘going halfway up the hill’, going halfway up the mountain, never reaching the top of it. That’s mediocrity. That is, never demanding of ourselves excellence, demanding of ourselves total goodness, demanding of ourselves complete freedom – not to do what you like, that is not freedom, that is triviality; but to be free from all pain of anxieties, loneliness, despair, and all the rest of it. | 58:38 你们可以无止尽地聆听这一切, 但如果你不去做它的话, 你的聆听又有什么意义呢? 如果你实际上都没有去觉察自己, 没有觉察自己的言语、 手势、走路、 你的吃饭方式, 去觉察你为什么要喝酒、抽烟, 以及所有人类在做的 其他事情 ——如果你没有觉察意识到 所有这些外在物理层面的事物, 你又怎么可能深入觉察 内心深处正在发生的事呢? 如果你没有觉察…… 如果我们没有觉察, 那我们就会变得 非常差劲、庸常和平庸了。 59:43 “平庸”这个词的意思是…… 它的词根含义 意味着“爬山爬到一半”, 也就是只爬到半山腰, 而永远不爬到山顶。 这就是「平庸」的意思。 换句话说, 永远不要求自己达到卓越, 从不去要求自己拥有完全彻底的「善」、 要求自己 获得彻底的自由, 自由不是说你可以为所欲为了 ——这并不是自由,这是很肤浅的事情; 这里的「自由」指的是摆脱掉 所有的「苦」:包括焦虑、 孤独、绝望, 等等这些。 |
| 1:01:02 So to find out or to come upon or for that to exist there must be great space and silence. Not contrived silence, not thought, saying I must be silent. Silence is something extraordinary, it’s not the silence between two noises. Peace is not between two wars. Silence is something which comes naturally when you are watching; when you are watching without motive, without any kind of demand; just to watch, and see the beauty of a single star in the sky, or to watch a single tree in a field, or to watch your wife or husband, or whatever you watch. To watch with a great silence and space. Then in that watching, in that alertness, then there is something which is beyond words, beyond all measure. | 1:01:02 而要发现这种自由、邂逅这种自由, 或者说要让这种自由得以存在, 我们就必须要有巨大的「空间」与「寂静」。 不是那种人为的“寂静”,不是光有想法 ——说“我必须要安静下来”。 「寂静」是某种非凡之物, 它不是两个噪音之间的 片刻安静。 「和平」并不是指两场战争之间的停战时期。 「寂静」是某种 自然降临的东西 ——它会在你观察的时候, 在你毫无动机、 没有任何要求地观察的时候出现, 那时你只是在观察, 你在欣赏夜空中一颗孤星的美, 或者去欣赏田野上的一棵孤树, 或者去观察你的妻子或丈夫, 无论观察什么东西。 带着那种巨大的「寂静」和「空间」 去观察。 然后在那种观察中、 在那种警觉中, 就会出现某种超越语言文字、 超越所有度量的事物了。 |
| 1:02:46 We use words to measure the immeasurable. So one must be aware also of the network of words, how words cheat us; how words mean so much – a Communist, to a capitalist, means something terrible; socialist, or some stranger. You follow? Words become extraordinarily important. But to be aware of those words and to weigh the words, to weigh, to live with the word ‘silence’, knowing that the word is not silence, but to live with that word and see the weight of that word, the content of the word, the beauty of that word. 1:04:01 So one begins to realise, when thought is quietly watching, there is something beyond all imagination, doubt, seeking, and there is such a thing – at least for the speaker. But what the speaker says has no validity to another. Unless you listen, learn, watch, be totally free from all the anxieties of life, then only there is a religion which brings about a new, totally different culture. We are not cultured people at all. You may be very clever in business, you may be extraordinarily capable technologically or be a doctor, professor; but we are still very limited. 1:05:23 The ending of the self, the ‘me’, to be nothing. The word ‘nothing’ means ‘not a thing’. Not a thing created by thought. In Latin ‘res’ means ‘thing’. And thing is that which is created by thought. To be nothing, having no image of yourself. And we have a great many images of ourselves. To have no image of any kind, no illusion, to be absolutely nothing. The tree is nothing to itself. It exists. And in its very existence it is the most beautiful thing, like those hills – they exist. 1:06:51 They don’t become something, because they can’t. Like a seed of an oak, of an apple tree; it is apple; it doesn’t try to become the pear, or another fruit – it is. So when there is nothing, there is. You understand? This is meditation. This is the ending of the search and truth is. |
1:02:46
我们会用词语文字 来度量那「不可度量之物」。
所以我们也必须要觉察到 文字词语的“罗网”,
觉察到词语文字是如何欺骗我们的、
词语文字是如何变得意义重大的
——从共产主义者到资本主义者, 它们意味着某种骇人的东西;
社会主义者,或者某些陌生的名词。
你们跟上了吗?
词语文字已经变得 无比重要了。
然而我们要觉察意识到那些词语、 去掂量那些词语,
也就是去掂量、 去经历体验“寂静”这个词, 我们要清楚这个词并不是真的「寂静」,
我们要去体会这个词, 看到这个词的重要性、 看到这个词的内容 和这个词的美。
1:04:01
所以当思想安静地观察时, 我们就会开始了悟到
存在着某种超越所有想象、 怀疑与寻找的事物, 而这样的事物的确存在 ——至少对演讲者来说是如此。
然而演讲者所说的东西对于另一个人来说 并没有什么真实性。
除非你也去聆听、学习、观察,
然后完全摆脱掉 所有生活中的焦虑,
只有那时才会有「宗教」, 这种「宗教」将会带来一种 全新的、截然不同的文明。
我们根本就不是什么“文明人”。
你们或许在生意场上非常聪明, 你们或许在科技领域 无比能干,
你们或许可以成为一名医生、一名教授; 然而我们仍旧是非常局限的。
1:05:23
我们要去终结自我、终结那个“我”、 变得「空无」。
「空无」这个词的意思是 “空无一物”。
也就是 没有思想所创造出来的事物。
在拉丁语中,“res”的意思就是“事物” 而“事物”指的是那些 思想所创造出来的东西。
你要去变得「空无」, 不再持有关于你自己的意象。
我们都持有着很多 关于自己的意象。
而我们需要不再有任何的意象、错觉, 要变得完全「空无一物」。
那棵树,它是“空空如也”的, 它只是存在着。
而就在它自身的「存在」之中, 它就是最美的东西, 就像那些小山一样——它们只是存在着。
1:06:51
它们不会去“变成”其他东西, 因为它们也无法这么做。
就像一颗橡树的种子, 或者一颗苹果树的种子,
它就是苹果,它并不会试图去变成梨 或其他水果——它就是它。
所以当「空无一物」时,“那个东西”就会存在了。
你们理解了吗?
这才是「冥想」。 这就是我们寻找的终点, 那时「真理」便会显现。
讲到这里就够了吧。现在几点了? 提问者:十二点三十五分。 |
| 1:07:35 I’ve said enough. What time is it? | 1:07:35 克:好的。 |
| 1:07:41 Q: Twenty-five to one. | 1:07:41 这是我们最后一次演讲了。 |
| 1:07:51 K: Good. | 1:07:51 我们都可以站起来了吧? |
| 1:08:01 This is the last talk. May we get up? | 1:08:01 我们都可以站起来了吧? |