Krishnamurti - Don’t be smothered by the world

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BR73DSS - Don’t be smothered by the world
Brockwood Park, UK - 7 February 1973
Discussion with Staff and Students

0:00	This is a teachers and students discussion J. Krishnamurti at Brockwood Park, 1973.
0:11	Krishnamurti: What shall we talk about?
0:28	Questioner: Sir, can we talk about this school?
0:32	K: Talk about the school. What about the school?
0:43	Q: How we can make it a creative experiment.
0:49	K: Right, sir. Don’t you want some windows open? It’s all getting foggy.
1:09	(Pause) Now I’ve just come back from India.
1:54	I’ve been all over India, different parts of India, and also I’ve been to Rome, and I’ve noticed that things are getting very bad, and the world is in a very peculiar, destructive state, degenerating.
2:25	People don’t want to work, there are strikes, as in England, the war is apparently over in Vietnam, but there is really no peace there.
2:44	The communist world is also very disturbed, there is corruption everywhere - corruption in the sense not only the passing money under the table but also corruption in the sense everybody is thinking selfishly, fragmentarily, and thinking in circles.
3:17	I think these are all fairly obvious. And our artists can’t go any further; they have come to the end of things.
3:34	They have tried every kind of expression, objective painting, you know, all the rest of it, and they too have come to a point when they can’t go any further.
3:53	And poverty, of which you know absolutely nothing, as in India, is spreading – at least where there are severe droughts, lack of rain.
4:17	And with poverty goes degradation. Every kind of violence goes on. There are terrible things happening in South America – Brazil and so on.
4:34	I do not know if you are aware of all this.
4:42	Probably you are, in your study of current history, current events.
4:52	And one wonders what is going to be the outcome of it. You’re going to face all this when you leave this place. I have talked in various schools in India, but India is extraordinary... is a peculiar phenomenon which I won’t go into.
5:28	And right through the world young people don’t want to work, they don’t want to study.
5:45	Some of them do, of course, but their study is memorising, learning from books, cultivating memory, storing up information which can be used mechanically, and thereby earn a livelihood – and that apparently is, superficially, very satisfactory.
6:22	So what is the relationship between the group and the community here and the vast community of the world?
6:42	What is going to happen to you all? This isn’t a rhetorical question, or a stupid question, or merely a stimulating intellectual question, but what’s going to happen to you?
7:02	They are starting various schools in India.
7:12	They’ve already got two schools, one in the north, one in the south; they’re going to have three more schools, all run on the same basis as here.
7:30	And we have been discussing a great deal: what is education, what are the people who’re going to... what are the students we’re going to turn out from these places, what will they become?
7:54	Caught in the stream of commercialism, consumerism and selfishness.
8:04	Apparently that is the pattern right through the world. Are you following all this?
8:20	And one has met a great many so-called very important people – politically, literally, and enormous following, but it all seems so childish and appalling, dreadful, what is happening.
8:45	I don’t know... I don’t think you know the full depth of that world. It is really quite frightening. Frightening in the sense how destructive it all is, how degenerate it is becoming. So that is the picture, not exaggerated, not one-sided, and people who have observed for many years agree to what we are saying now.
9:28	And when you leave this place, what is your fate, if I can use that word, what is going to happen?
9:53	Either you know how to work, both intellectually and physically, and therefore able to stand on your own against this current that is drawing, sucking people into it - the current of commercialism, consumerism and vast selfishness – either you are going to be drawn into it unknowingly or knowingly - and if you know how to work, how to study, how to use your mind, then you may fit into it or not fit into it, be sucked into the current or stand alone.
10:54	So, I... when one comes to Brockwood and sees the beauty of the winter, the bare trees, the lovely lines of a branch, and the peace and the quiet and the beauty of the place, one is rather shocked by it all.
11:31	And whether Brockwood offers you – or it may offer and you do not utilise it – offers you the opportunity to really use your brain, to use your highest capacity, both intellectual and physical, and psychological, whether such thing is happening here.
12:23	One wants to cry at the things that are happening.
12:38	And here is a group, a community, a group, so-called fairly serious, fairly thoughtful people – whether their idea of freedom and work and so-called discipline go together, or freedom is a word that is misused and therefore doing what one wants to do, and whether mentally, using the capacity of the brain to its fullest extent.
13:30	At least, I feel Brockwood should be, or is, that kind of place where the mind – I mean the mind - physical, psychological, emotional; the whole thing is the mind – whether that mind is being cultivated, strengthened, vitalised and active.
14:08	Or it is merely a place where you pass a few years rather sloppily, not using or cultivating your brain.
14:31	Because the brain is very important. Unless you have a very good mind - not clever mind; one has met clever people all over the world, very smart, very cunning, very alive, in the sense alive to their own sensitivity, to their own selfishness, to their own narrowness – unless one has this sense of depth in the mind you are going to be completely smothered by the world.
15:23	Don’t make any mistake about it; you’re going to be. If that’s what you want, do it thoroughly, be smothered. But if you don’t want it you must have - you know? – you have got a great deal of work to do, and whether Brockwood is offering such an opportunity for you to work.
16:07	Work in the sense not merely pass exams – I don’t mean that so much – work in the sense whether we can do things together, work in the sense think together.
16:40	In the process of thinking, share together what we have found.
16:50	Work together in the sense see what the world is. It’s a terrible world, mad world, and whether you have got the vitality, the energy, the depth to stand against all that and be, in the deep sense of that word, creative.
17:22	Or you are going to turn out to be the good old bourgeois with a nice house and a little family and all that business.
17:39	So it’s up to you. And can we do this at Brockwood together, not each one pulling in a different direction, which is what the world is doing?
18:06	So, what is it we are doing together here?
18:14	It’s a community, so-called an educational centre.
18:32	I wonder if the word ‘education’ is the right word at all.
18:42	It is generally understood, when one uses the word: reading a lot of books, storing up information, and using it either selfishly or for a particular cause or a particular sect, and making oneself important in that sect or organisation.
19:21	Generally that’s what’s happening. Am I painting the picture all right?
19:41	Are we using our minds to its highest capacity, or we’re just slowing down?
20:13	Come on, sirs. I can go on talking, but I want to find out from what you say, what you think.
20:21	One has to be terribly serious I’m afraid, though you can laugh and play and have a good time, but at the core, at one’s... one has to be terribly serious in this world.
21:06	So you are up against it.
21:22	How you will respond later on – college and all the rest of it – how you will respond depends what you are now, what you are doing now, whether you have observed what is happening in the world: fragmented, broken up, each one fighting the other commercially, intellectually and emotionally, different types of war – economic, social, class, and the ordinary war of butchery – and the worship of success.
22:37	And you have to face this, and whether you have the capacity to see it and not enter into the game at all.
22:55	I think Brockwood offers, at least as I see it, an opportunity for you to have this inward strength to stand against all this.
23:21	And whether you use that opportunity is up to you – and of course, up to the grown-up people too.
23:35	That’s why I feel it’s very important to know what it means to work – physically with your hands, psychologically with your mind – to work hard.
24:20	Are you doing that here or is it all rather slack?
24:40	Or you say, ‘Well, we are free to do what we want,’ and therefore you don’t work?
25:02	‘If we don’t want to work, we don’t work.’ (Pause) I was talking to, in Bombay, about eight thousand people.
25:22	Q: Eight thousand?
25:23	K: Eight thousand - that’s what they told me. There were four talks and eight thousand people at each, about.
25:36	And one has the feeling of being popular. You know what that means? And I loathe that word and the feeling of being popular, because it has no meaning.
25:54	And a man said to me afterwards in the plane, he said, ‘I came to your talks.
26:06	It was marvellous to see so many people and you must feel very pleased to have such a crowd.’ I said, ‘Oh, for God’s sake!’ (Laughs) You see the mentality of such people?
26:28	So to withstand all this nonsense and dirt and filth of what human beings have made of themselves and made of the world, one has to be extraordinarily clear, one has to have a great sense of harmony in oneself, harmony between the heart and the mind.
27:02	Not that there are such divisions, but the sense of harmony.
27:28	(Pause) Q: What work is there to do besides just seeing all the problems?
27:37	I mean, that’s the work, isn’t it?
27:45	K: But how do you see the problems? Everybody sees the problems, everybody who is at all, you know, a little alive, a little watchful, everybody sees this problem.
28:05	But how do they see it? How do you see it?
28:08	Q: Well you have to see how you react, or how you act when you’ve seen...
28:14	K: Yes. Go on, sir, go into it. How do you react? How do you see all this? Do you see all this as though it was out there, or do you see it in relationship...
28:34	Q: I see it as our expression. I see it as like art. Like all the problems are like our expression.
28:50	K: Do you consider all that is part of you, or you don’t belong to all that?
29:05	Are you an outsider looking in – you follow what I mean? – or looking without being an outsider?
29:28	You observe all this - the worship of success, the brutal business, the intellectual worship of things, the storing of knowledge, the computers, which are called ‘fast idiots’ – I think that was a good name, that, for the computer – how do you look at it?
30:01	Are you all that, or are you different from all that?
30:08	Q: I don’t feel either one.
30:17	K: Are you free of all that? All that is the result of our greed, ambition, competition, worship of success – you know?
30:34	– division, asserting oneself, thoughtlessness, all that.
30:37	Q: Maybe we’re not free of it, but we’re not part of it right now.
30:48	K: You may be free of it...
30:51	Q: No, no.
30:52	K: No. You’re not free of it, or you’re not aware you’re part of it?
30:57	Q: Because you know, like, every day, you know, you might say, ‘I’m not a part of this’ – you go to Winchester or something like that – ‘I’m not a part of this smoking, this drinking and stuff’ – all this, you know, things that go on…
31:10	K: But that’s...
31:11	Q: …but then that can happen to you any day, you know? Even when you are in your room or something and someone talks to you, it’s still in you, you know, you still can be selfish, you can still be this self.
31:25	K: No, what I mean is, sir, what I mean is: do you look at all this as something different from you?
31:36	As something different from you? Or when you look at it you are part of it, you are it?
31:47	There may be moments when you are not that. In yourself, quietly thinking about... you may not. But as long as one is selfish, ambitious, greedy, possessive, you know, all the business, you are that.
32:10	(Pause) Q: Sort of, say if we came to Brockwood and we’re not a part of it, or we somehow fool ourselves that we’re not a part of this, but...
32:38	K. I don’t know, I’m asking you.
32:39	Q: Yes, that’s why I say maybe we fool ourselves.
32:40	K: You may be fooling yourselves by saying, ‘Well, we are different,’ or, ‘We are very young, therefore it’s not our job yet to be concerned with it.’ If you don’t lay the foundation now, when you are young, I don’t see how you are going to lay it later.
33:01	On the contrary, in about ten years’ time you will all be married, children – you are sunk. Sorry, not that to get married and have children means to sink. (Pause) Q: There’s still this tendency to discriminate between what is nasty and what is necessary.
34:46	K: Stimulate?
34:49	Q: Yes – to get down to practical things, we have to associate ourselves with, or be involved with everything that’s here.
35:17	To take a simple example like work in the garden, it’s nice to work out there when it is sunny and warm.
35:36	K: Of course, of course – but it’s most awful to work in on a day like this. Sir, look, what are you all going to do?
35:39	Q: What do you mean?
35:45	K: What I mean? What do I mean? What’s your future? Not astrologically. (Laughs) What do you want to do? What’s going to happen to you? Or haven’t you thought about it?
36:15	If you haven’t thought about it, just leave it alone, because you’re too young, maybe, to think about it. But if you do think about it at all, what’s going to happen to you?
36:37	(Pause) Q: I don’t quite get what you mean, exactly.
37:05	Is it what the future is – what you can do, or what you think you want to do?
37:13	K: Both. Can you separate what you can do and what you want to do? What is it you want to do?
37:20	Q: I can tell you what I don’t want to do.
37:30	K: Yes, all right, sir. What is it you don’t want to do?
37:34	Q: I don’t want to be a part of what I see.
37:35	K: All right, then what will you do about it? I may not want to be part of all this muck, and I have to do something, I can’t just say, ‘Well, I don’t want to be,’ and just stay in my room.
37:52	I can’t stay in my room. I have to eat. I have to clothe myself. I have to have a shelter. I have to do something.
38:01	Q: Well, you can work. You know, you can leave here and just get a job, a simple job.
38:05	K: So, what is it the mind says to you? What is it the mind wants in this world to do?
38:13	Q: You can get a job, but just having a job, you know...
38:19	K: A job isn’t the point. You can get a job, if you are lucky enough. Or if you say, ‘Well, I don’t want to work,’ you can live on somebody’s... (laughs) I met a man, he hitchhiked, literally, from New York, worked his way across the ocean, across the sea, and hitchhiked from Paris to Delhi.
38:50	You understand what that means? Do you? There are buses going from – I believe some go from London, others go from Paris, from Istanbul, across Persia, enter Afghanistan – you follow? – from the north, and hitchhike, and then come down to New Delhi.
39:24	This chap, because he’s a strict... he is a Brahmin and strict vegetarian, therefore all they had there on the voyage: meat, hard butter which stank – and he lived on cucumber, a few fruits, bananas, an occasional orange – for three weeks.
40:11	He said, ‘I want to go to India, and I’m going to spend my life, when I get to India, being a really religious man.’ You follow, sir?
40:26	Whatever that may mean. I won’t go into that.
40:34	So, what will you all do? I’m really interested. What’s going to happen to you?
40:48	Q: It seems as though the more I look at things, the less… (inaudible) K: The less you want to do anything?
40:56	Q: Not – in a sense, yes – not because of laziness or anything like that, but it seems that most things are involved in...
41:10	K: But you have... I know, but therefore what will you do? You can’t just sit back and say, ‘I won’t do anything.’ You’ve got to eat, you’ve got to dress yourself, you’ve got have somewhere to sleep.
41:31	You have got to do something!
41:35	Q: She says there are so few things you can do.
41:41	K: Are there so few things?
41:44	Q: We can’t all hitchhike to India.
41:45	K: Do you want to hitchhike to India? No, don’t do it.
42:13	(Laughs) Are there so few things to do in life without getting involved in all this mess?
42:29	Good lord!
42:29	Q: I would look at, rather, everything you can do, without - but everything seems to be also contaminated by this mess.
42:53	K: Yes.
42:57	Q: So whatever you do, you have to, therefore. I mean, that’s the way I look at it.
43:03	K: So what will... That means everything that you do will be contaminated – is that it?
43:05	Q: Well you have to deal with... I mean, however it is, you have to deal with this.
43:12	K: So how will you deal with it?
43:20	You have to pay taxes. You have to - unless you have capital and so on, all the rest of it, then probably for a few years you don’t have to work.
43:28	But you have to work, you have to do things.
43:39	Unless you join a monastery – and many people are doing it, because that’s a nice way of living, if you like that kind of living.
44:17	(Pause) Or is that question rather irrelevant with people who are still very young, whose mind is not sufficiently – I’m not using the word derogatorily – mature?
44:50	And so this question may be not right.
44:57	But we’re sufficiently old enough to see that unless you lay a foundation now – foundation in the sense foundation of observation, how you observe, and what your reactions are, and why those reactions exist, non-analytically – unless you do that, it will be very difficult to face all this.
45:50	Don’t you think so?
45:58	And whether you’re doing it - not coerced, not bullied, not driven, but doing it – you know?
46:20	– like a flower that blossoms, blossoms whether it’s foul weather or fair weather, it’s got the vitality to blossom – whether that’s that going on.
46:29	Q: I wonder whether one can survive when one is put in a place where everybody is fighting, without also fighting?
47:00	I mean...
47:03	K: Yes, Tunki, what will you...
47:15	Put yourself in that position - what are you going to do? Everybody is fighting around you, in different ways. In the literary world, they are fighting. In the economic world, they are fighting. In the religious world, they are fighting. Politically, they are fighting. They are fighting everywhere, all round you, the violence, and what will you do?
47:45	How will you meet this? Which means, have you now, being in this place, thought about violence?
48:08	What is involved in violence? How violence arises, the shape of violence, the structure of violence.
48:35	There is physical violence. There is the violence of obedience.
48:51	Are you obeying and therefore being violent?
49:02	You understand what I mean? When I obey what you are saying, I am suppressing what I think – right? – and therefore suppression will burst out one day.
49:26	I might get angry with you because I am obeying somebody else.
49:33	You follow? There is physical violence, violence brought about through obedience, violence of competitiveness, violence of conformity.
49:57	When I conform to a pattern, I am being terribly violent.
50:07	You see the connection? When I live a life of fragmentation – that is, think one thing, say another, do another – that’s a fragmentation – from that, that’s also violence, that breeds violence.
50:40	I may be very quiet, very gentle, do all the work, but I flare up, which indicates that in me there has been suppression of all kinds of things.
50:53	So violence isn’t just physical violence. It’s a very complex question, violence. And if you haven’t thought about it, and when you are faced with violence, you will react most unintelligently.
51:18	Do you conform?
51:29	Which means conforming to a pattern and not wanting to conform, saying that you must be free and doing what you like.
51:48	Also that’s violence. I don’t know if you see that. Isn’t it? When we are living together and I say to myself, ‘I’ll do what I like,’ isn’t that violence?
52:04	You don’t answer. Do you? Isn’t that violence?
52:10	Q: But can one live in this world without us having any violence at all?
52:21	K: Find out. That’s what I mean – work. Find out how to live a life in which there is no violence.
52:33	Q: Sir, you know, instead of – a minute ago, about suppression, and one day I’m going to flare up, you know, in violence or whatever – I think maybe here I can see where, you know, if we discuss things as they came up and not suppress things, you know, that, maybe – I don’t know if there’s a form of suppression or…
53:09	To talk about things, in other words.
53:11	K: Wait a minute, let’s take one by one. Physical violence, you know what it is - getting angry and hitting each other, somebody bullying you verbally.
53:25	That’s one kind of violence. Right? Obedience. That’s violence, isn’t it? Would you say that’s violence? I obey when I keep to the left side of the road.
53:46	Is that violence? Why? Go on, sir, move!
53:53	Q: If you didn’t you’d get run over.
53:56	K: Yes. So, which means what?
53:58	Q: It’s a fact.
53:59	K: So, there are facts, and what else? Go on, sir, you...
54:03	Q: The things we produce in our head that don’t really exist.
54:16	K: I obey the law, which says keep to the right, in Europe, and the law says in England keep to the left.
54:30	Is that violence? No, obviously not. You see why. Right. Is it, if you obey somebody whom you think is superior in knowledge, is that violence?
54:57	I know mathematics. I teach you mathematics and we discuss, but in that there is a sort of imitation, conformity and obedience, isn’t there?
55:21	No? Oh, come on. Is that violence?
55:27	Q: No.
55:30	K: No. All right. Society says you must go and kill the Muslims or the communists.
55:45	Is that violence? Many: Yes.
55:50	K: Why? There is not only physical violence involved in it, but in it is involved so-called love of country, nationalism – right? – division of yourself as an Englishman or a German or a Russian or Italian or a Muslim or a Hindu, which is a form of violence.
56:19	Right? So, how will you have the insight to see where obedience is not violence and where obedience is violence?
56:41	Go on, sir, discuss it.
56:52	Do you see the difference? And violence, conforming.
57:05	I conform, I imitate when I keep to the left.
57:13	I put on trousers here in this country; when I go to India I put on another kind of Indian dress. Is that conformity? And I inwardly conform to being a Hindu – though I put on trousers and all the rest of it, I conform inside, to my tradition, to my beliefs, to my country’s... etc., etc.
57:41	Isn’t that violence? So, where is the line between violence and to see for oneself where freedom is order?
58:28	All violence is disorder. Right? Conformity… You understand? Don’t misunderstand what I’m saying and afterwards say, ‘I won’t conform,’ and go off and do some silly thing.
58:47	Violence is disorder – right? – and the whole world is involved in this disorder, of different categories.
59:01	In the business world, there is tremendous disorder. Though there are marvellous companies, run most efficiently, they are fighting each other.
59:13	Right? So it is disorder. Though I obey the law, keeping to the left, in the business world, or in the world of this or that, I am creating disorder.
59:28	Right? So, I see disorder.
59:37	And freedom from disorder is order. Right? Obviously. And to discern, to have intelligence or insight to see any movement towards disorder is violence.
1:00:01	Any movement. I wonder if you get all this.
1:00:18	I see I have to put on trousers here in this country because otherwise if I put on the Indian clothes I would be too cold and it would be too noticeable – it would look rather absurd – so I put on trousers.
1:00:32	Is that conformity? To me it is not. But it is conformity if I say, ‘Well I am a Hindu,’ with my tradition, with my belief, with my superstitions, with my custom, habits – you know, the whole business of it.
1:00:48	So I won’t conform because that leads... conformity there leads to disorder – the Hindu, the Muslim, all the rest of it.
1:01:04	So I wipe out Hinduism from my blood.
1:01:13	That is real freedom. And I see obedience – obedience: to obey, because somebody says, ‘You should do this.’ But somebody has said, ‘Keep to the left.’ Somebody has said, ‘Go to church.’ Somebody has said, ‘You are an Englishman.’ And I say, ‘Yes, I’m an Englishman,’ or a German, or whatever it is.
1:02:04	That is obedience. I don’t know if you follow all this. Whereas when you are aware of the factors of disorder, then though you keep to the left of the road you are free, because there is order in your life.
1:02:34	I don’t know if you follow all this. You know, this is real education, you understand?
1:02:49	To live a life of tremendous order, in which obedience is understood, in which conformity is seen, where it is necessary, where it is totally unnecessary, where I am imitation.
1:03:12	When I learn a language, it is imitation – but whether there is any sense of imitation inwardly.
1:03:32	But that’s too complex. I won’t go into the whole question.
1:03:39	Q: Sir, would you say that when you are imitating inwardly then you have conflict? Then you have conflict into you, when you... You know, for instance, you learn a language and you do it because you feel you have to do it.
1:03:57	K: No, no, I...
1:03:58	Q: No, but if you do, then you’re...
1:03:59	K: There is nothing you have to do.
1:04:07	I have never lived a life which said, ‘I have to do this.’ I don’t know if you see it.
1:04:16	I go to America, I go to Canada, because that is an intelligent thing to do. It isn’t I have to do it. I may use words, ‘I have to go to New York,’ but that’s manner of speaking. If I am forced by circumstances, that’s violence. If I am forced by a group of people to say, ‘You must come,’ I say that’s violence.
1:04:42	I won’t do it.
1:04:49	To belong to a sect, to a group, to a country, to a religion, that is violence, because it separates people.
1:05:04	So, I see this happening, and am I doing this? To find out if I am doing it, that’s real work. That’s what I mean by work. Not merely gardening and walking and talking – that’s part of it – but the real work is to see, to understand if you live in disorder.
1:05:31	You may have tremendous order outwardly - put on good clothes, clean clothes and wash, and be punctual at all meals, and all that kind of stuff, but the real order is inside, whether you are violent, conforming – you know, all that.
1:05:50	And because you are in order you will do things orderly. If you say, ‘I will garden,’ you’ll garden – you follow what I mean? – whether it’s foul or fair weather. Ah, you don’t want… I’ve done all these things, that’s why... (laughs) Q: Sir, we do this, and we learn this in doing it. You’re not suggesting that we retire to our rooms and find out if we are violent.
1:06:12	K: Good God, no. Good God, no. While you are doing, you learn. The doing is the learning.
1:06:20	Q: To find out if we’re co-operating...
1:06:22	K: Of course, of course.
1:06:23	Q: ... or whether or not we’re conforming. If we’re co-operating then it doesn’t create a contradiction, does it?
1:06:29	K: Therefore, sir, you have to… To co-operate, either co-operate because you are compelling me, or circumstances are compelling me, which are violent - but I want to co-operate, I love to co-operate, I want to do things together.
1:06:47	That is order. I can’t live by myself in a room.
1:06:50	Q: And there’s no contradiction there at all? K. Obviously not, because... But if you compel me, or circumstances compel me, or I feel if I don’t do it I’ll be looked down upon, or this or that, that is violence.
1:07:06	But if I say, ‘I see we must work together’ - life is working together, I can’t live by myself.
1:07:33	(Pause) After all, I find out whether I am violent in doing things with you - how I play, how I talk, how I listen to you.
1:08:00	In relationship I find out. No? Otherwise I can’t find out. I can’t sit in my room and try to find out whether I am violent. I can imagine I’m not violent, but the real test comes, the real action is in relationship, to see if I am like that.
1:08:21	That’s real work. And if you do that you have tremendous energy then, because your life is in order.
1:08:34	Q: But what makes one do something? Is it only to see... only do the thing which one sees is necessary?
1:08:56	K: What makes one do things?
1:09:05	Intelligence, love.
1:09:13	Tunki, there is no co-operation in the world – right? – in the deep sense of that word.
1:09:26	They’ll co-operate: three hundred thousand people co-operated to build the rocket which went to the moon.
1:09:36	Their motive was pride, nationalism, profit.
1:09:43	The motive was entirely - you follow? But to do things together without a personal motive. I don’t know if you follow all this.
1:10:05	I love to do things together. First of all, it’s done quicker, more efficiently.
1:10:18	(Laughs) Whatever the job is I have to do, it’s finished quicker if ten of us put our shoulders to it.
1:10:29	But most people are driven to do things together through profit, or through belief, through pride, through national antagonism and all the rest of it.
1:10:43	My God, when there is a war they are all working together furiously to kill somebody else.
1:10:51	I remember during the war, I was in America, an Englishwoman, Lady somebody-or-other I used to know quite well, and she was there, and she said, ‘Oh, it’s marvellous, simply splendid!
1:11:17	We’re all sleeping together in the underground. Ah, there’s no classes, it’s splendid, divine, real humanity,’ and so on, and so on, and so on.
1:11:33	When the war was over she was back in her – you follow? (laughs) – castle and all the rest of it.
1:11:45	There you can see the violence of it – you follow?
1:11:55	– violence of being forced by circumstances, war or other circumstances, to conform to the common desire for shelter, to be safe.
1:12:10	When that pressure is gone, you are back to your old ugliness. That’s all.
1:12:15	Q: Sir, is the difference here that we’re working being interested in our work and loving our work, rather than working because we want to make Brockwood a success or... (inaudible) K: I love...
1:12:36	Sir, if I see a piece of paper on the ground I pick it up. It’s not because of Brockwood or anything.
1:12:54	It’s time to stop, isn’t it? Quarter to one. Bene.