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BR76DSS2.3 - What is love?
Brockwood Park, UK - 3 October 1976
Discussion with Staff and Students 2.3



0:20 Krishnamurti: What shall we talk about?
0:36 I think last time we were here, which was on Thursday morning, I think we started a subject and we dropped it, didn't we?
0:51 Do you remember what it was? Shakuntala Narayan: We touched upon fear.
0:56 K: Fear. We talked about fear and hurt, and we talked about something else, too.
1:03 I think it was love, wasn't it? We began talking about it. Do you want to talk about that?
1:14 Q: About beauty.
1:18 K: Beauty. She wants to talk about beauty.
1:22 Q: It was beauty that we were going to talk about.
1:26 K: Perhaps if we talk about love we can include that, shall we?
1:41 What do you think love is? What is your, not opinion, your feeling about it?
2:00 Q: That there is great energy in it.
2:04 K: Great energy. When one says, I love you, what does it mean? What is the depth of it? What is the full significance of it? And when one says, I love my country, what does it mean? The beauty of the land, the hills, the rivers, the trees, the green fields, the certain climate of that country.
2:43 Or when one says, I love such and such a book, what does that mean?
2:53 Or, I love that food I ate yesterday. I love to have more of it.
3:06 And when they are very patriotic, love of their nation, of their flag, what does that mean also?
3:20 Fight for one's country, go to war, kill people and be killed.
3:34 When a mother says, I love my children – the parents, what do they mean by it?
3:42 In depth, not superficially. If they love their children greatly, deeply, would they allow them to go to war to be killed, to be maimed, to be destroyed?
3:59 I love God, or one says, one loves God, what does that mean, also?
4:11 Is God an idea projected by thought? Which apparently it is. Is that love of God love of one's self projected into an ennobling symbol?
4:30 You understand all this? And when there is love can there be jealousy?
4:42 Go on, talk it over. Lets talk it over. When there is love can there be fear?
4:54 When a man goes to the office there, or a factory or whatever, labour, he is competitive there, brutal, wanting success, ruthless, and comes home and loves his wife and his children – this contradiction, is that love?
5:25 And when there is suffering. You know what suffering means? Not only physical suffering, the great psychological sufferings that human beings go through, their loneliness, the anxiety, the fear, and the loss of someone they love, all that suffering.
5:57 Not only personal suffering but the enormous suffering of mankind.
6:05 The starvation which goes on in India, in Asia, and in Africa.
6:13 When the rain fails they almost starve.
6:20 Where there is suffering can there be love?
6:35 So, love of an ideal, love of a belief, love of the rituals of a church or a mosque or a temple, is all that love, this enormous thing called love?
6:56 Love between man and woman in which there is sex, pleasure – is all that love?
7:05 You understand what I am asking you? This great enormity of what one calls love.
7:17 And all this is called love.
7:24 Love of life and the fear of death.
7:32 So, all this is called love: pleasure, fear, attachment, love of possession, the love of a very, very ascetic life.
7:51 So what do you think is love?
7:58 How do you consider what love is?
8:05 Remember we were talking the other day about getting hurt.
8:15 Not physically only but deeply inside one's skin, psychologically getting hurt.
8:27 Most people, as we went into it very deeply, most people get very hurt from childhood.
8:35 The more one is sensitive, nervous, and a little bit aloof, one gets terribly hurt.
8:51 You have noticed that, haven't you? And when there is such a deep hurt can there be love?
9:14 And when there is fear – fear, we talked about it too a great deal – when there is fear: fear of tomorrow, fear of yesterday, fear of what is going on now, this fear, can there be love?
9:48 When you are attached to a person, is that attachment love?
10:02 And why is one attached to a person?
10:11 Is that attachment, which one calls love, is that attachment fear?
10:23 I am attached to you or to this house or to something ideal, I am attached to something.
10:33 Why is one attached? One is lonely, needs companionship, needs friends, as one needs clothes, food and shelter, and where there is attachment there is always fear, isn't there, that I might lose.
11:06 And so, in attachment there is fear. I may be blind to it. I may not have thought about it, but when there is attachment, dependence, possession, domination, there is a great deal of fear.
11:27 And when there is fear of such kind of attachment, can there be love?
11:36 You understand my question? So, look at all this, this enormous, complex thing called love.
11:57 That word is loaded, spoiled, spat upon, vulgarised.
12:13 So, when you look at all this, from the little thing to great things, which one calls love, love of the family, love of the country, and the personal feeling, I love you and you love me, with all the implications of attachment, dependence, anxiety, fear, hurt, when you look at all this enormous thing called love, love of God, love of truth, what is your feeling, what then do you call love?
13:13 You understand my question?
13:36 Now, will you just listen to all this? Just listen, not come to any conclusion, not form an opinion, not say, yes, I agree or disagree with you, but just listen.
13:56 Listen to all the description. You understand? I have described all that and more, if one can go into it much more – listen to it.
14:16 Can you listen to it without forming any judgment? Yes, I like that kind of love. Oh, that is love. I love my friend. I love my wife, etc. All this conversation going on inside you, can you stop that conversation and just listen to what the speaker has to say, will you?
14:41 Just listen.
14:49 He says, is all this love? The attachments with their fears, jealousies, hatred, great antagonism against people, fear, jealousy, anxiety, killing people for their ideals, religious ideals, economic ideals, social ideals, killing people by the million, and they have been killing people for the last – God knows how long – millions and millions of years.
15:43 Wars practically every year.
15:50 And we accept all this. We raise children, your children, your children, you are going to have children, probably, and they are going to be educated to kill.
16:07 You realise all this?
16:22 And is love promiscuousness?
16:31 That is what is happening in the world now, boys and girls and middle-aged people sleeping with anybody they like, sex, divorce, quarrels, bitterness, irritation – all that is called love.
17:05 Your parents will tell you they love you. In that, they feel responsible for you, as those of us who are here feel responsible for you.
17:32 And being responsible for you, we feel, at least I feel, and some of us do feel here that you mustn't be hurt under any circumstances so that you will know what love is.
18:01 And if you are hurt in any way it distorts your mind.
18:11 So, can you find out what love is and its responsibility?
18:27 That is one thing. And also, to love another without possessing him, dominating him, wanting something from him, physically, that is, sensory, sexually wanting something from another, comfort, encouragement, support.
19:03 I am talking of support psychologically, not monetarily.
19:10 So, can you look at all this, listen to all this, and find out for yourself what love is?
19:21 Actually find out, you know, in your heart, in your mind, find out what it means to love somebody, love human beings, love another.
19:35 Because that is part of one's education, not only learning mathematics and all the rest of it, but also to learn very deeply what it means to love.
19:54 Most people think if you are kind, generous, don't get angry too easily, and give what little one has to another, being quite good, all that is considered love, do social work, reform, but is that love, all that?
20:35 And is love manufactured, brought about by thought?
20:46 You understand what I am saying? Do you understand what I am saying? By thought – I can think I love you. Think. And can thought bring about love, or it is totally divorced, independent of love – thought?
21:19 Thought and love cannot go together. Thought is calculation, memory, remembrance.
21:35 So, thought says, it was so nice being with you. Walking down the lane holding your hand was so nice.
21:47 And it remembers, there is a remembrance of it, and so that remembrance, is that remembrance love?
22:00 You understand all my questions? Do you?
22:09 So is love a product of thought? I think about you, you have been awfully nice to me, you have been so kind, generous, gentle, you have been so friendly.
22:31 I love you because of all these reasons and more, and is that love?
22:46 Has love a motive? You understand what I am saying? Has love a motive? Because you have given me either your body or your food or you have given me shelter, or encourage me or give me some satisfaction psychologically, and therefore I depend on you, and that dependence becomes such an important thing in my life and so I say, I love you, darling.
23:19 Is that love? You understand all my questions? So, find out as you are listening now, what love means to you.
23:38 Because all your life you are going to face this.
23:46 You are going to fall in love with somebody. That is a strange phrase, isn't it?
24:00 You are going to fall in love with somebody, because that person may be very attractive, looks nice, pleasant, friendly, anxious to help you, to hold your hand, and feel very close to that person, both physically, sensorally, sexually, and also psychologically, inwardly.
24:28 And you say, I love that man, that woman, I am in love with her.
24:35 Is that love? In the world it is called love, love of the country, love of the flag, love of an ideal has killed millions and millions and millions of people.
24:58 I was once taken to a hospital some years ago by a doctor, a friend, to a special hospital, and there I saw – Do you want me to tell you?
25:23 No, you don't want me to tell you, you don't know what it is like – people without arms, without legs, just the body, eyes gone – oh, don't.
25:41 And this is called civilisation. You have terribly sophisticated, civilised people. You understand all this? It brings tears to your eyes to see all this. And this is called love.
26:06 Love, filling acres and acres of slabs of stone with their names on it, with a cross.
26:24 And all this is the product of thought, isn't it?
26:32 The armaments that people are gathering, every nation in the world spending so much money on it, this is called protecting ourselves, protecting our ideas, protecting our democracy, protecting our states, communism against capitalism and so on, fascism against communism – there it is.
27:04 So, human beings have produced a world – in which you are going to live in the future, and we are living in it now – a world that is terrible, a world that is destroying human beings.
27:28 And all this is the product of thought. I don't know if you understand all this, do you?
27:40 I saw the other day on television a new gun – I won't go into it – and it kills people at 500 yards or more, instantly.
28:00 A product of thought. Some engineer has sat down, went into it carefully, produced this extraordinary gun to kill somebody.
28:19 So the world is the product of our thinking. You understand? Do you? Because I think: my country, I love my country, my house, my investment, my money, my clothes, my house, my God, and you think the same thing but you live a few miles across, and we are ready to kill each other.
28:50 This is what the world is based on, thinking.
28:59 And is that love? Do you understand what I am saying? Do you? Do you really understand what I am saying? Not up here, I don't mean in the brain, I mean with your heart, do you understand all this?
29:24 So, you have to find out for yourself by listening to the world, what is happening in the world, and by listening to your own feelings about all this and the enormity of it all, nation against nation, people against people.
29:56 And is all this love?
30:14 Don't get bored. Don't yawn. Just think about it. Just look at it.
30:24 This is going to be part of your life. If you don't understand it now, if you don't inquire into it very deeply now, later on it might be too late, when you are caught up in it.
30:42 When you fall in love with somebody you are caught then.
30:51 Then it might be too late. The pressures of life are enormous.
31:02 So, let us go into this together, now. You understand? Because we feel responsible, responsible for you to be educated properly.
31:22 Not only in mathematics and all the rest of it but inwardly, psychologically, to be able to understand this enormous complex problem that is called love.
31:50 Do you know the difference between love and compassion?
31:58 You have heard those two words, haven't you? Love and compassion.
32:10 Are you interested to find out? Do you want to know about this? Or you say, for goodness sake, talk about something else.
32:24 Are you really interested in all this?
32:43 You know what suffering is? Not when you have a toothache or a tummy ache, that is one kind of suffering, but there is a deeper suffering, isn't there?
32:59 When you are hurt, when somebody says something to you which is not pleasant and you are hurt.
33:08 That is part of suffering, isn't it? When somebody is better than you or you think they are better than you or more beautiful, more intelligent, and you feel not so clever, and that is part of suffering, isn't it?
33:35 And there is suffering also when you love somebody and they don't love you, or when you are lonely.
33:46 Suffering is an enormous thing, like love, very complex.
33:55 These two seem to go together in life, great suffering and the sense of love.
34:12 So one has to find out for one's self what is the relationship between these two: the enormity of suffering of mankind and personal suffering, suffering when you lose somebody, etc.
34:49 I used to go every winter to India, only last year I haven't been there. I have been to India every winter for the last 50 years and more, except during the war.
35:02 And I have travelled a great deal in India, seen a great many things in India, poverty.
35:10 A poor man there probably never has a clean bath, clean clothes, and he is suffering there, lack of food, everything that a human being should have, he hasn't got it.
35:32 And when you look at it, all that poverty, degradation, the cruelty of poverty, the rich go in their cars and are totally indifferent to everything else around them.
35:47 When you see that, that is also a great sorrow.
35:56 So there is enormous sorrow in the world.
36:06 So one has to discover for one's self, not repeat what others say but find out for one's self what is the relationship between love and suffering, sorrow.
36:26 Because you are going to be faced with this, if you are not facing it already.
36:34 You are going to be faced with this for the rest of your life, and for God's sake learn to find out what it means, the relationship of these two.
36:54 Where there is suffering can there be love?
37:03 One may suffer because one's wife has run away or left him or turned to another man, that is suffering.
37:19 There is jealousy, anxiety, fear, hatred, antagonism, and that is part of suffering.
37:31 And what is the relationship between that and the person who said, I love my wife, I love you?
37:43 You understand? What is the relationship between those two, or is there no relationship at all?
38:02 You see, when you find the true relationship between these two, between suffering and love, then out of that true relationship comes compassion.
38:21 You understand? I wonder if you understand all this. Or is it too much this morning?
38:40 You see, most people run away from suffering. They suffer, but they say, well, let's put up with it, let's forget it, there is no way of it.
38:52 That is what they all say: there is no way out of it. One has to put up with it, rationalise it, escape from it, go off to cinemas, entertainment of various kind, religious or otherwise, run away from it, but it is always there.
39:13 Always there, like some rotting thing in the basement.
39:23 So you must completely understand now, the relationship between the two.
39:35 This enormous suffering of mankind and man, of a human being, and the complex problem of love, with it is pleasure, with it is aches and anxieties, the relationship between these two enormous factors in life.
40:03 Then when you see the truth of that relationship, out of that comes this great passion.
40:14 Then you will see love is something totally different.
40:22 You may love another then. In that love there is no attachment, there is no fear, there is real love.
40:36 Well, now we will talk about it. Shall we discuss about it?
41:07 Or have I smothered you with a lot of words?
41:26 You see, I can go on about this, it is very interesting, you know. To discover for yourself, not repeat what I am talking about, discover for yourself what this relationship is, between this suffering of man and woman, of a human being, and the enormity of what he calls love.
41:53 To discover their relationship, and when you discover the truth of that relationship, what comes out of that flowering?
42:10 That may be the real compassion. So, to understand this, to go into it, that is part of meditation.
42:20 Are you interested in meditation? No. Yes? You have heard that word, haven't you? You know, in India, when I go to the schools there, we all sit on the floor and we talk about a great many things, I talk also about meditation.
42:55 And immediately, I am not joking, immediately they sit still, absolutely still. I don't tell them to sit still, but instantly they are all cross-legged, absolutely quiet.
43:15 That is part of the tradition in India. Their fathers, mothers, and their grandfathers and all the past generations, they have handed down through tradition that you must be quiet, you must sit still to meditate.
43:48 You understand? But in Europe, here, you are never still. Right? Have you noticed that? You are never still. You are yawning, scratching, stretching your leg, twiddling this, that, and all the things going on.
44:12 But you see, you must also find out about that too, what it means to meditate, because it is part of life, like love, being hurt, fear, pleasure, having a skill, a job and so on.
44:38 All that is part of life, and meditation is also part of life.
44:45 And to find out how to meditate. Not how to meditate, that is wrong, that word how means a system, a method, that is all rubbish, but to inquire, to explore into what is meditation, as we explored what is love.
45:05 And to explore together what the meaning of suffering is, the enormity of it, and the very, very complex thing called love, to inquire into it is a part of meditation.
45:28 You can do that while you are walking or sitting still, or lying down in bed, but you must inquire, you must learn a great deal from it.
45:46 Right, now I will stop talking. It is your turn.
46:15 Shall we stop? Have you had enough this morning?
46:23 Q: Love and education.
46:30 K: What, sir?
46:32 Q: (In French) Shakuntala Narayan: He wants you to talk about love and education.
46:50 K: Love and education – me talk about it.
46:57 Have you ever asked why you are being educated?
47:06 Why this enormous structure of education, the enormous buildings, right throughout the world, schools, colleges, universities, degrees, professors, dons, all this enormous structure, all for what?
47:40 Have you ever asked that?
47:47 I am asking you, do let's ask it now. You understand? What for? To turn out like so many robots, the machinery of education to turn you into a human being who will adapt, adjust himself to existing society?
48:29 Accepting its values, all its hypocrisies, its phoney religions, etc.?
48:42 Is that why you are being educated? To get a good job?
48:54 So you must ask this question, mustn't you, why are you being educated.
49:05 And what would a person who loved, really loved, not just identified himself with his son, and he wants his son or daughter to become the president of America, or the prime minister of this country or that, I mean who really loves his children with his heart not with his beastly little mind – completely loves that, what is he to do?
49:37 You understand my question? I love my daughter and my son. I really mean it. I love them. And what am I – if I love them – what am I to do? To educate them means, as it is now, cultivate memory, which can be used skilfully in earning a livelihood, that is all they are concerned with, become a professor, become a businessman, engineer, scientist, a first class bricklayer.
50:34 That is all right, but there is also a great part, enormous part, which is totally neglected.
50:50 The part of love, suffering, fear, anxiety, all that great depth of man, totally neglected.
51:03 So, if I have a son and a daughter, I send them off to school and there they bully them – you know what they go through – competition, you are better than somebody else and you have better a mark, you are not so clever as that one, and so on.
51:22 Same thing in school, college, stuff you with some necessary information so that you can earn a livelihood – the rest?
51:37 You understand my question? Do you understand what I am saying? So if you have a son, if you have a daughter, as you are going to have when you grow up, what are you going to do?
51:55 And you love them, if you do. Or you might get bored with them, treat them as toys for a couple of years when they are very young babies, and the rest you say, for God's sake, go on, get out of the house, earn your own livelihood, go to school if you have money, send them off to boarding schools, wash your hands and finished.
52:27 Is this what you are going to do?
52:35 You understand? So where is your love for your children and education?
52:49 Oh Lord. You understand all this?
52:55 Q: So what is the responsibility of…
53:02 K: A parent. Jean Michel, what do you think? What would you do if you had children, what is your responsibility?
53:17 Q: Because if a parent sent their son to a school, they do say, yes, I love my son, but they regard it as a responsibility towards…
53:50 K: They have their responsibility. They say responsibility, as far as I have been able to observe right throughout the world, is to give you an education, to make you earn a very good job if you can, have the capacity, and use that information skilfully in life so as to have money and all that.
54:16 Now, if you have a child, as you are going to – married, children – what is your responsibility if you love your children?
54:30 Q: Isn't it best to understand first what it means to love?
54:35 K: Oh, Tunki old boy, I have been talking about it for the last 50 minutes, what is love, we are asking what love is.
54:45 Q: There doesn't seem to be any discussion on it.
54:48 K: Which means either you listen to find out very deeply what it means, capture it like a perfume, a perfume that, a scent that, as you are walking in a wood you suddenly capture a scent that is most delicious, and it is gone, but you have smelled it.
55:12 In the same way, if you have captured this perfume you won't ask that question: tell me what love is. You have that perfume.
55:22 Q: Can anyone ever know what is the right action?
55:25 K: No, we are not talking about what is right action, that is a different matter.
55:33 We can go into what is right action. What is your responsibility if you love your children?
55:46 How are you going to educate them? What does that mean?
55:56 You understand? In very few schools they talk about all these things.
56:04 Probably no school talks to you like this, makes you look at the whole of life.
56:23 And you must look at it, take it in, it must become part of your blood.
56:36 If you are a very good English teacher and you are learning English, English Literature, it must be the words, the meaning of the words, the texture of the words, the structure must be you know, it is in your blood.
56:57 In the same way, this must be in your blood. Not just words, words, words, they have lost their meaning.
57:21 So are you getting, here at Brockwood, the right kind of education both academically and inwardly, psychologically, deeply, so that, one of the factors, that you are never, never in life going to be hurt, inwardly, never.
58:00 We discussed this the other day, very carefully. That is part of your deep education.
58:13 And because one loves, out of that love you are told all this, you must learn from all this.
58:25 It is our responsibility to educate you not only in the world of knowledge but also help you to learn about yourself, what you think, what you feel, and fears, resolve all this so that you are a most extraordinarily intelligent human being.
59:10 That is why we started this school. It may not succeed, but one must do it.
59:25 You have understood? Something of this, have you? Has your sister understood?
59:42 No, I am looking at you. No, the two sisters, you are three sisters, do you understand it?
59:54 Do you understand something of it? Yes? Understand, not verbally but inside so that you have captured it, that you won't lose it.
1:00:13 Q: I understand it inside but I find it very hard to do it in my life.
1:00:21 K: Not very hard, the moment you say it is very hard then you are lost.
1:00:32 When you see a beautiful flower you look at it, don't you? In the same way, look at it. You can never lose that beauty once you see the beauty of it.
1:00:50 The world is too willing to smother you.
1:01:22 Q: I still don't see it quite clear.
1:01:31 Because when I go back home, the people might listen to you or they might read your books or communicate with you, but it is outside, you have got to go in the morning to get a job, and the money.
1:01:59 The whole environment is put on to you, and I just don't get it.
1:02:05 K: I said to you: the whole world is against you. You understand? The whole environment, everybody is against you, because that is the way of the world.
1:02:18 They want all that. They don't want to live a life of great sanity and therefore great holiness.
1:02:32 They don't want all that.
1:02:37 Q: But to me, if I am in this position of a business man, I wouldn't see the use to try and communicate what I have learned with the other people around me, because I have my life, I have two kids, I don't have time.
1:03:13 This is what is happening.
1:03:15 K: I understand. What are you going to do? You, not the businessman, your parents, what are you, after you have been here, heard all these things, captured something of all this, what are you going to do?
1:03:34 Don't say businessman this, you are the rest of the world, you are the world.
1:03:44 Q: But this is what the parent is emphasising: look, I will give you a job, plenty of money, and by obeying I am still dependable on the relationship with my father.
1:04:09 He doesn't know, he doesn't care.
1:04:13 K: I understand, Jean Michel. I am asking you something entirely different.
1:04:21 Q: I don't know what I am going to do because I am still dependent.
1:04:30 K: Let's say that. You are dependent on your parents up to a certain point.
1:04:40 Up to then, etc. After that, what are you going to do? You are learning now. Nobody is going to ask you to earn a livelihood now. But when you reach a certain age, after college or whatever you go through, what are you going to do? That is the point.
1:05:02 Not your world smothers you, your parents, what are you going to do after you reach a certain age?
1:05:10 Life is open to you.
1:05:17 Q: Okay. All right. Now, to live on this earth, you have got to have a job. It is obvious, one has to earn money and all this.
1:05:38 It is also, in this job, there is a possibility to get entangled into all the tricks of finances, with your wife, etc.
1:05:58 K: Look, Jean Michel, you are not answering my question.
1:06:02 Q: Well, it is not very clear.

K: I am going to make it clear.
1:06:07 K: You are going to fall in love.
1:06:19 Ecoutez, ecoutez moi.
1:06:30 You are going to fall in love, your physical demands, glandular demands, sex, all that.
1:06:43 And a job, earning a livelihood. So you have to be intelligent enough, which is part of this education at Brockwood, to make you intelligent enough to find out what is a job that is worthwhile doing in life.
1:07:06 And when you fall in love is that love? Find out now, not when you say, I love, then it is too late.
1:07:19 So you have from now, before you reach that age when your parents say, Mon vieux, allez–y.
1:07:28 When they say, go and earn your own livelihood, then you have to start. You are not in that position. None of you are in that position. Don't put problematic questions, which are useless, put right questions.
1:07:43 Which is, from now on, prepare yourself to face that moment.
1:07:51 Q: Let's say you are in that moment.
1:07:53 K: That is theoretical.
1:07:56 Q: No, it is a fact.
1:07:58 K: So you must prepare yourself, find out what love means. You say, I love you darling, let's marry.
1:08:12 Find out. And here is the proper ground, proper environment to educate yourself in all this, to find out what kind of job is the right job for you, for an intelligent man.
1:08:34 Intelligence, we understood, do you remember what we said? Intelligence means seeing something clearly and acting instantly, not seeing and then acting ten years later.
1:08:56 Seeing, say for instance, seeing something very dangerous and acting upon it, and which means you are free of that.
1:09:10 That is intelligence. You understand? Say for instance, I am born a Hindu and I see the absurdity of it, the danger of it, the danger, which is division, quarrels, wars, I see the danger of it, therefore finished.
1:09:35 I am no longer a Hindu – finished. That is intelligence and that is the right action.
1:09:52 Now, as you have not reached that age when you have to earn your own livelihood, start on your own, before that I say for God's sake, learn now, learn what it means to love people, another, what it means to have a right kind of job, not, my father tells me I must become an engineer, therefore I am going to become an engineer.
1:10:28 You know, when I go to India and I speak to the schools, I ask the students, what are you all going to be?
1:10:36 Most of them say, my father tells me what to do and so I am going to do it. He wants me to be a blasted engineer and I am going to be an engineer.
1:10:53 I said, Jean Michel, find out what is right livelihood now.
1:11:00 Begin to learn about it, which means observe what is happening in the world. How they have separated business, science, religion, everything separate, art, it isn't a total action.
1:11:19 Find out what it means to act totally.
1:11:28 We are learning together, learn this thing from the man who is talking about it, find out.
1:11:36 Q: Right, but I cannot communicate that.
1:11:46 K: Jean Michel, you can't learn it in one day because your mind is too young, it is volatile, moving quickly.
1:11:54 But begin slowly, find out. What am I going to do, what is the right livelihood for me when I grow up?
1:12:07 To find that out I look at all the jobs, the carpenter, the bricklayer, the factory worker, the blue collar, white collar, the executive, the parliament, politics, all divided, never whole, never totally integrated.
1:12:30 It is all divided. And therefore are you going to join one of these divisions?
1:12:36 Q: Well, if you don't have any other ways, you have to.
1:12:39 K: Find out. Now is the time to learn about it.
1:12:51 You know, this has been one of the problems of serious religious people: what is right livelihood in a world that is so materialistic, so concerned with money, power, position.
1:13:14 What is the right livelihood?
1:13:22 My intelligence may tell me to become a gardener. I say, all right, that is good enough, or a cook.
1:13:35 You see, let intelligence work, not what your parents, what society, what your environment, what your grandmother wants you to do, but your intelligence wants you to do.
1:13:48 You understand what I am saying?
1:13:58 Q: What if it had been said, a cook is not enough, it is not a professional job, you have to be professional?
1:14:12 A cook is what? It is nothing.
1:14:16 K: If you want to be a professional, find out if that is a right job, the right livelihood. What are you concerned with? Having money, position, a big, etc., are you? Or what is it your intelligence says? Jean Michel, attendez. Intelligence, we said, is seeing the whole and acting instantly on that, keep on acting.
1:14:48 But if you don't see the whole and say, well, I will become an engineer, you are just a life which is so contradictory, unintelligent.
1:15:04 I am sorry – we will discuss this. We will meet together some more times before I leave for India, so we will go into it, because it is very important.
1:15:20 For women, it is much easier. You will get married and somebody will fall in love with you, or you fall in love and it is finished for you, more or less, but for men, for boys and men it is much more difficult.
1:15:39 Unless you take up a career, become an editor of some magazine – Vogue?
1:16:08 Look, Jean Michel, before you ask that question: what am I going to do in two years time or next year?
1:16:18 You are going to face that. You are facing it. What are you going to do? Become intelligent first, not what are you going to do.
1:16:35 Intelligence means to investigate very carefully both the outward, the world that is happening, what is happening in the world, and investigate into yourself and find out a way of living that is supremely intelligent, sane, healthy, so that when you are 50 you are still young and not a dead person.
1:17:18 I think that is enough, isn't it, for this morning? Basta?