Krishnamurti - Do you see the importance of not being frightened?

Krishnamurti Subtitles

RV78DS2 - Do you see the importance of not being frightened?
Rishi Valley, India - 5 December 1978
Discussion with Students 2

0:20	Krishnamurti: Shall I start? I have your permission to? Questioner: Yes, sir.
0:27	K: They have both given me their permission, so I can talk. Do you want me to talk about anything special or shall I go on with what I want to say?
0:53	Student: I would like to ask you something about last time's talk. You said, comparison is very bad. But if we say a person is good at English, another person is bad at English, if we say he is good and he is bad,
1:09	S: is that comparison? K: It is.
1:11	S: Or if we say – a human mind – if we say he is a good man, he is a bad man, is that comparison? Which is comparison?
1:19	K: He wants to know when you say good and bad, is that not comparison. Good man, bad man. We will talk about that presently, may I? I would like to ask, if I may, are you frightened of anybody?
1:42	S: Yes.
1:45	K: Are you frightened? S: Yes.
1:48	K: Frightened of your teachers? What?
1:53	S: Some.
1:56	K: Of some you are frightened, of others you are not frightened, is that it?
2:02	K: Yes? S: Yes.
2:05	K: Do you know what fear is? When you say, I am frightened of a teacher, or of your parents – are you frightened of your parents?
2:16	S: No, sir. S: Sometimes.
2:19	K: I can't hear. Sometimes, are you? S: Yes.
2:29	K: So you are frightened. Do you know what that fear means? Just think very carefully and find out why you are frightened of your teacher, or your parent, or what you call society. Why are you frightened?
2:54	S: It is a creation of your own mind.
2:57	Narayan: He says it is a creation of your own mind.
3:02	K: It is a creation of your own mind. Did you think that out?
3:10	S: Yes. K: Yes? Bravo.
3:16	K: Now when you say, I am frightened of my teacher, what are you frightened of about him?
3:24	S: What he can do to you.
3:28	K: You are frightened because what the teacher can do to you. What can he do to you? Beat you? Give you bad marks?
3:47	S: Scold us. K: Scold you?
3:52	K: So you are frightened of your teacher because he might scold you, he might give you bad marks, and he might say you are not as good as somebody else, comparing, and you get nervous, you get frightened, and so you kind of shrink away from him. That is right? S: Yes.
4:18	K: You are listening? Hold my hand and stop fidgeting. Now, is the teacher frightened?
4:31	S: He may be. He may be frightened of some people.
4:35	K: I am asking you: is the teacher frightened?
4:38	S: No.
4:41	K: Yes?
4:43	S: Maybe of the headmaster and the principal.
4:47	K: The teacher may be frightened of the principal or the headmaster. Why?
4:55	S: They could do anything to him.
4:57	K: If the teacher is not good enough, they might send him away and so on. So, the teacher is frightened and you are frightened. Right? Now, how will you stop being frightened? Because this is a very important question. Just listen to it. First listen, you understand? Then you can argue with me. Then you can say, you are talking nonsense, what you say is true, what you say might be true, and so on, but first listen. Right? The teacher is frightened because he might be sent away, he is not good at his subject, he doesn't take responsibility for you, and he is slack, and he has his own worries and so on. He is frightened and you are also frightened, of him. So what will you do? How will you stop being frightened? Because fear is one of the most dreadful things in life, because it makes you withdraw, makes you close up, build a wall around yourself, makes you nervous, makes you physically ill. So it is very important to find out if you can stop being frightened – frightened of society, frightened of what people say, might say, frightened of your parents, your grandparents, your aunt, your uncle or somebody, your relative, or you are frightened of your teacher, or you might be frightened of some animals, snakes – you follow? You are frightened all along, and that makes you... you live in darkness. Right? You understand that? Now, how will you stop being frightened?
7:29	S: If you are confident that whatever you are doing is correct, then you will not be frightened.
7:34	K: Whatever you are doing, if you have confidence that it is right, then you are not frightened. Is that it?
7:41	S: Yes. You are not being frightened.
7:45	K: Yes, if you say this is right for me to do and you do it irrespective of anybody, then you are not frightened. Is that it?
7:55	S: Yes.
7:56	K: But do you know what right action is?
8:01	S: Everybody has his own opinion.
8:04	K: Everybody has his own opinion. You think this is right action and somebody else thinks that is right action and your parents think differently. So how will you find out what is right action?
8:19	S: You can never find out. It is very hard to find out.
8:21	K: What? S: It is very hard to find out.
8:23	K: Very hard, but you must find out, mustn't you?
8:29	S: You must experience it.
8:31	K: What do you mean, experience what, right action?
8:34	S: Yes, trying to find out what the other person says.
8:36	K: Yes, You do a false action and then learn from that and say, that is right action. So you keep on experimenting till you find right action, is that it? S: Yes.
8:49	K: That might take all your life.
8:52	S: Yes.
8:54	K: So what will you do? Because, as the boy pointed out very clearly, that if you do the right action, do the right thing, then you are frightened of nobody. Right? How will you find out?
9:15	S: If you find out about everybody's opinion. You have to find out everybody's opinion.
9:19	K: Then you ask all those people's opinions – will that help you?
9:25	S: They may have different opinions. K: That is right.
9:27	K: So how will you find out what is the right action so that you will never be frightened? You understand? The thing is, not to be frightened under all circumstances. Right? How will you find out? And that chap over there said, he said, if I know what is right action, I won't be frightened. So what is right action?
9:58	S: An action which brings good to everybody and to yourself.
10:05	K: If you are good to everybody then that is right action, is that it?
10:09	N: No, it is something which brings good to yourself and to everybody else. That is right action.
10:18	K: Good to others and to yourself, that is right action – then what is good? You see, you are moving away by introducing another word – good – but you haven't answered the question. If you say it is good, I may consider what you do may be not good. So how will you find out what is good?
10:47	S: Something pleasant.
10:51	K: Something pleasant. Is that good? Something you like, something that will give you satisfaction, something that will give you great pleasure – is that good?
11:08	S: Another may not like it.
11:10	K: Another may not like it. So what will you do to find out what is right action so that you are never, never frightened?
11:24	S: First you have to understand fear and what causes it and the importance of not being frightened.
11:32	N: You must understand what causes fear and see the importance of not being frightened.
11:39	N: That is the first step. K: Right.
11:40	K: What is the cause of fear? You are frightened of the teacher because he might scold you, he might give you bad marks, he might pull your hair, or he might beat you up. They don't beat you up here, do they?
12:04	N: I hope not.
12:11	K: They don't beat you. You are sure? S: Yes.
12:15	K: All right. So what is the cause? The cause is he might scold you in front of others, therefore you feel ashamed, therefore you get frightened. So, there is the cause. The cause being that he might scold you, therefore you are frightened. Right? What are the other causes of fear? Your parents?
12:59	S: Power.
13:02	K: What is that? S: Power.
13:03	N: Power, other's power over you.
13:06	K: What do you mean by power?
13:10	K: Having power over you? S: Yes.
13:12	K: Your parents have power over you. They send you to the school and they say you must pass examinations. And if you don't pass examinations, they scold you, and so you get frightened, and that is the cause, isn't it?
13:29	S: Yes.
13:35	K: We will keep to that for the moment, the superficial causes of fear: scolding, punishment, reward.
13:46	S: Reward, sir? K: Yes.
13:48	K: If I reward you, I also can punish you.
13:55	S: Yes.
13:57	K: Reward and punishment go together. Listen to it first. Listen to it before you argue or don't argue, first listen. Reward and punishment go together. I reward you, and say you are a marvellous girl. But also I can punish you and say you are a rotten girl. Right? So, there is a possibility of these two going together all the time. Clear? So, what will you do after having found the cause of fear, how will you get rid of it?
14:43	S: We have not yet found it out.
14:46	K: You have found it out.
14:48	S: No, we have found out these things, but then you will have to make everybody understand.
14:53	K: No, I am asking you, not everybody. I am asking you, and that person over there, asking you: having found the cause of fear, will you get rid of it? Do you mind being scolded?
15:13	S: If you think you should be.
15:15	K: I scold you and you get frightened. Why should you be frightened? I may scold you because I think you are doing something wrong. Why should you be frightened?
15:29	S: I feel that it is right, and then I do it. And then you scold me saying it is not right, so I feel hurt.
15:37	K: So, you think it is right and the teacher thinks it is not right. Now, how will you find out, both of you, because you are together – it is a small community you live in, and you have to find out why he scolds you, whether he is justified in scolding you, so that you won't be frightened. You understand? The main thing is to remember never to be frightened. Right? What will you do? Come on, sirs.
16:11	S: What could we do?
16:15	K: I am going to tell you, but you must tell me first. What will you do, not to be frightened? Do you see the importance of not being frightened?
16:30	S: You must find out how it destroys you. You must find out what its bad effects are, how fear destroys you.
16:39	N: You must find out how fear destroys you and is bad for you.
16:44	K: Haven't you found out? When the teacher scolds you, you shrink, you are ashamed, you feel anxious, sometimes angry. Right? So, I am asking you, knowing this: the teacher punishes you, scolds you and creates fear in you, and you see fear is very important to understand and be free of it. Do you understand that? Now, what will you do?
17:25	S: For that, you should understand each other.
17:31	N: We should understand each other.
17:33	K: All right. If you say we must understand each other, that the teacher must understand you and you must understand the teacher – right? That is what you are saying. Now, are you willing to understand the teacher? Don't say we must understand each other and just remain there, but will you make an effort, or say, I must understand you, sir, why you get angry. Because probably the poor teacher hasn't slept well, and he has eaten too much, or he is frightened of being sent away from here – so he is also frightened. So, will he allow you to understand him?
18:27	S: He will not, sir. He will not at that time. At that time, if he has done any of the things you mentioned, if he has overslept or anything, he will not be in a mood to tell you anything.
18:36	K: Quite right. So he will not be in the mood, or listen to what you are saying. So what will you do? Wouldn't you say, all right, I will keep quiet, not get frightened, but talk to him a little later when he has calmed down.
18:57	S: I could do that. K: You could, but will you?
18:59	S: Yes.
19:01	K: No, if you say yes – if you say yes, you mean it. Right. Which means what? The teacher and you have right relationship. Right? S: Yes. Understanding.
19:19	K: That is, you must understand the teacher, his problems, his worries, his anxieties, his fears, because he might be sent away because he is not a good teacher, and he is nervous, inefficient. So he might be sent away, because what is important is you, the student – right? So, will you find the occasion when you can talk to each other, the teacher and you, say look here, let us both have a good relationship, both of us care, be affectionate, kind, generous to each other. Will you?
20:10	S: But his worries might worry us also.
20:15	K: His worries might worry you. Is that it? S: Yes.
20:20	S: He may never get rid of that worry. He will always be in that temper.
20:26	K: That is right, I am going to go into that. You are much too bright. What is the matter with all of you?
20:40	S: We also have to count that someone dislikes him.
20:47	K: We are talking about fear, not like and dislike. We are talking whether you are frightened of your teacher, what is fear, what is the cause of fear. Knowing the cause of fear, you say, I will get rid of the cause, I won't be frightened. You understand? It is very, very important to find out whether you can live your life from right now till you die without fear. It is very important. Right?
21:26	K: Do you see the importance of it? Really? S: Yes.
21:32	K: As important as you see a cobra and say I won't go near it. You understand? Is it as important as that?
21:43	S: That is immediate fear. This continues for a long time.
21:48	K: Yes. But wait, you haven't listened to me. You understand fear destroys human beings.
21:57	S: Yes.
21:58	K: And you see as a human being that you must not be destroyed through fear. So you must understand fear, because if there is fear, you can't love.
22:14	S: Pardon? K: If there is fear in you,
22:16	K: you cannot be affectionate to another. Listen carefully. If your parent frightens you, you cannot love the parent because fear and love can't go together.
22:36	S: Sir, you can love your parents.
22:42	K: This is a rather complex problem. You can love your parent when he threatens you? Wait, listen to what I am saying. I love you, and I beat you up. I scold you, I get angry with you, can that anger and love go together? Think it out carefully.
23:15	S: If you think they are scolding you for your own good.
23:22	K: They are scolding you for your own good.
23:25	S: That is, if you think that they are scolding you for your own good.
23:29	K: How do you know when they scold you that they are doing good to you? They might be traditional, they might want you to join the army, they might want you to become a cook – no, they wouldn't – an engineer. So they want you that, and you might want to do something else which really interests you, so they get angry. When there is anger, is there affection? Right? S: Yes.
24:12	K: You understand this? So, love and fear cannot go together.
24:24	K: You understand? S: Yes.
24:30	K: So, how will you get rid of fear?
24:34	S: If someone is scolding you, you just ignore him, then you won't feel...
24:40	S: It will continue like that.
24:42	K: If somebody scolds you, you benignly, happily ignore him.
24:53	S: If somebody hits you, you will not do the same, because you get hurt.
24:57	K: If somebody hits you, smile at him. Is that it?
25:05	S: The best thing is, you also fight.
25:10	K: Look, I am asking you, if somebody scolds you, don't be frightened. That is all my question is. Don't under any circumstances be frightened. You understand? That requires tremendous strength. Right? S: Yes. How do we do it?
25:38	K: Wait, I am going to show you. Not how to do it, but first see the importance of not being frightened. Now, wait a minute. Your friends or your parents, the public says, what you are doing is wrong. That is, public opinion condemns you. You understand this? Public opinion condemns you and you get frightened, so you begin to imitate them, you do what they want to do. Right? Do you think public opinion is right?
26:38	S: Could be.
26:41	K: By Jove! How old are you?
26:46	S: Going to be fourteen.
26:49	K: Going to be fourteen. You are already an old man. When you say could be, might be, you are very cautious, like an old man who says, I won't do this, that – so be young, keep young. Public opinion says you must do puja. Right? Because that is the tradition.
27:20	S: I don't feel it right.
27:22	K: Wait, listen first, just listen. Public opinion says, and some of the teachers say: you must do puja. Probably they do puja. Now, why do they do it?
27:38	S: They are frightened of God.
27:41	K: They are frightened, not of God. All right. They are frightened – if they don't do puja there might be...
27:50	S: They are sins, or whatever you call it.
27:51	K: Yes, that is it. Whatever I call it.
27:56	S: Or probably they are scared of something. So just to cool themselves down...
28:00	K: Yes, that is right. They are frightened of their husbands, their children, of society, not having enough money or not nice looking and so on, and therefore they do puja.
28:15	S: Direct their problems away. All their problems are directed away from them.
28:20	K: That is right. All their problems, they escape from all their problems by doing puja.
28:32	S: They are not guilty any more.
28:36	K: Yes. So, public opinion says do puja, you know, ritual – ring bells and do all kinds of stuff. And you say you don't want to do it because you think that is stupid, because you say, if you are frightened, face it, get rid of it, don't go off running away into a room and do puja – face it, get rid of it. But the public say no. They are too frightened to do that. So what will you do? Will you do puja?
29:09	S: No, I don't feel like doing puja.
29:11	K: No, not whether you feel like it, will you do puja? S: No.
29:17	K: That means you are going against public opinion.
29:20	S: Yes.
29:22	K: So you don't mind. Wait! In this you don't mind. S: Yes.
29:32	K: Now take something else. Public opinion says you must get a good job.
29:39	S: Yes.
29:42	K: And you might say, well, I am not interested in jobs, I would like to go and dig in the garden. I know you won't, because you are a slave to public opinion.
29:53	S: Yes.
29:54	K: So what will you do? Will you do what you want to do and not allow public opinion to control you?
30:05	S: But in this thing, if you are interested you could do what you want.
30:09	K: That is what I am saying. Will your interest be strong enough, vital enough to withstand the society, the public opinion?
30:21	S: Yes.
30:24	S: Sometimes you may not do what they want you to do, but you might be scared of them because they might turn on you.
30:32	K: That is just it. They might not send you to the school, they might not give you money, they might say you are being spoiled by this good school, they might send you away to a rotten school. So you will get nervous – right? So what will you do?
30:52	S: You have to get rid of your likes from which you are deprived because of them.
30:57	K: So while you are young, as you are, you can't battle your parents, can you?
31:03	S: No, sir.
31:05	K: So you have learned one thing. While you are young you have your own opinions, your own conclusions, you know what you want to do, but you yield to them because they might stop you from coming to the school. So your intelligence says, go carefully, but intelligence is not fear.
31:34	S: Yes. It is the other side of fear.
31:38	K: That is right. We will keep that, the other side of fear. So your intelligence says, go quietly, yield when necessary, but don't yield too quickly. Go carefully, walk slowly, understand step by step, because you are young. So, I come back to the point: are you frightened?
32:09	K: Come on, sirs. S: Yes.
32:12	K: At last. Are you frightened? All of you up there?
32:20	S: You don't have to be frightened of someone, we can be frightened of the dark.
32:26	N: She says, you don't have to be frightened of someone. You can be frightened of the dark.
32:35	S: Or a snake.
32:43	K: So there are two kinds of fears, aren't there? Fear: physical fear and fear inside you.
32:54	S: Darkness is a fear inside you.
32:57	K: I am explaining. There is physical fear that you might get hurt, physically, you are afraid of the snake, that it might bite you, there is a precipice and you don't jump, you might be frightened of the dark because many people are frightened of the dark because they feel shut in. So, there are physical fears, and fears inside which are called psychological fears. That is a big word. That is, fears: emotional, intellectual, feeling inside you that you are frightened. So there are physical fears and fears which are not physical. Right? Now, can you distinguish between physical fears and fears which are not physical?
34:02	S: Yes, you could. You can.
34:05	K: I am asking – will you? Don't you talk up there? Are you all asleep or what? Aren't you interested in what we are talking about?
34:23	S: Physical fear is when you are frightened that you will get hurt or something like that, or of your own imagination.
34:31	K: What is she saying?
34:33	N: Physical fears are when you think you are going to be hurt.
34:39	K: First understand, there are these two types of fears. Now, you are frightened of the snake, aren't you? Because it might kill you. That is a natural fear, isn't it?
34:56	S: Instinct. K: Instinct. That is, a cobra, a tiger, a precipice, a car coming towards you, all that might hurt you therefore instinctively you say, no, I am sorry, I won't go near it. That is not fear, is it?
35:25	S: It is, sir.
35:27	K: Listen to my question first, that is not fear. Self-protection, to protect the body is not fear, is it? Not to get hurt by a thorn is not fear, is it? No, think it out carefully. There is a bush out there with lot of thorns.
35:52	S: You don't go near it.
35:54	K: You touch it very carefully. Haven't you done it? I have done it several times. So, I wouldn't call that fear. I would say that is a natural response to physical pain. You understand this, or are you all asleep?
36:18	S: But if you see a cobra, then you feel like avoiding it.
36:23	K: Yes, so you avoid. The avoidance is not fear, is it? No, just think it out. I avoid the cobra, that is not fear.
36:39	S: If you are constantly afraid that snakes will bite you...
36:43	K: What?
36:44	S: If you are constantly afraid of a snake, you say, I won't go there at all, because there is a snake there.
36:49	K: Yes. That means you are afraid – not afraid – your intelligence says: don't go near that, that is dangerous. That is not fear.
37:02	S: Because you are frightened, you don't go.
37:04	K: No. A car is coming out towards you and you step out of its way – why? Are you frightened, or your intelligence says: if you stay there you might get killed.
37:25	S: Because my intelligence says that I will be killed.
37:29	K: Which is, it is intelligence that is in operation, not fear.
37:35	S: If you live day and night with the fear that a snake is going to bite you, that obsession, that is fear.
37:41	K: What is that? N: She says, if you have the fear that the snake is going to bite you and that fear stays with you day and night, it becomes an obsession.
37:51	K: That is right. N: Then it is a fear.
38:02	K: I was walking once in California, at 12,000 ft. by myself and I turned the corner and there was a big bear – you know what a bear is? Of course – and she had four small cubs. And she made the cubs go up the trees – they are the size of big cats – then after they had been up the tree, she turns around and looks at me. It is a very dangerous thing, you understand? A bear with cubs is the most dangerous animal. It will kill you. She was as near as that camera is, and I was as close as that. So we looked at each other for a second or two seconds or a few seconds, and I wasn't frightened. So I said, lady, you win, turned around and went back. But if I had been frightened, it would have attacked me. You understand? S: Why, sir?
39:22	K: Why? Because fear has a smell. You won't understand that. When you are frightened, you perspire and the animals can smell it very quickly. So, I was not frightened, I looked at it very carefully. It was an enormous thing, beautiful thing. And I looked at it, bowed to her and turned and went back. But if we are frightened and say, my God, get nervous, she will smell it and attack you. Don't risk this. I can do it, but you can't do it.
40:11	S: Sir, physically you may not have fear, you may not be afraid of it, but mentally you might be.
40:16	K: No. It is the mental state which prevents you from being frightened. Right? We will go into that. I have got another twenty minutes. Because I am not going to talk more than an hour. That is what they have all told me, so I will stop in 20 minutes. So first of all, do you see the importance of not being frightened?
40:51	S: Do you live without fear?
40:57	K: That is a very good question. Why didn't you ask me right at the beginning? Do I live without fear. If I say yes, will you believe it?
41:09	S: No, sir.
41:17	K: Will you believe it? Or must I prove it to you?
41:22	S: You must prove it to us.
41:24	S: If you could tell us how we can get rid of fear.
41:27	K: Listen carefully what I am asking. If I say yes, I have no fear, will you believe it? Or – wait a minute, listen carefully – or must I prove it to you?
41:43	S: You must prove it.
41:46	K: I must prove it to you. Now, how shall I prove it to you?
41:51	S: By telling us how to get rid of fear.
41:54	K: I will tell you. First of all, how am I to prove it to you? By going near a snake?
42:03	S: That anyone can do.
42:04	K: That anyone can do. By following a cobra? I have done this, here in Rishi Valley, several years ago. There was a cobra. I was walking one of these paths, and there was a long cobra in front of me, and a few birds were ahead taking a dust bath. You know what a dust bath is? You have seen them taking dust baths? You have? S: No, sir.
42:37	K: Oh, come on, you have. Of course you must have. You know, birds sit in the dust and wiggle, wiggle, and throw dust on them, and then shake off? So this cobra was going after those birds, and I was about five feet away from it. Quite close – as close as you are. And it was very, very, very carefully going to catch one of those birds. There were four of them. After their dust bath, they flew away, and the cobra relaxed, completely relaxed, and then it heard me so close. You are following all this?
43:29	S: It had not yet noticed.
43:33	K: Till then the cobra didn't notice me. It is only when it relaxed, when it was not keeping an eye on the birds, it became aware that somebody was behind. So it turns around, looks at me, and goes off. Right? I can't prove it to you, and I don't want to prove it to you.
43:59	S: Why, sir?
44:01	K: Why should I prove it to you?
44:03	S: To tell us if you have fear.
44:06	K: I will tell you, but do it. Don't ask: prove it to me.
44:14	S: The snake must have run off because it was scared of you.
44:19	N: The snake must have gone away because it was scared of you.
44:23	K: Of course. Generally animals run away from human beings because they have hurt them, they have been brutal to them, so they keep away from you. Now, let's come back. I will tell you I am not frightened. I have never been frightened in my life about anything. You don't have to believe it, I don't care if you don't believe it – to me it is so, I have experimented with it, I have lived with it, I have carefully watched it, and I am not frightened. The fear exists if you have no money, if you are alone, and nobody pays attention to you. I have gone through all those things. I don't care what the public thinks. I don't care if I have money or not.
45:18	S: So the public thinks good of you.
45:22	K: So the public thinks good of me. I don't care. Right? So I can't prove it to you. But I will show you, tell you, how to be free of fear. I have got exactly 14 minutes. Do you want to find out?
45:48	S: Yes.
45:50	K: When you say yes, will you do it? I will explain it to you, I will go into it in great detail, but do it. You understand? At the end of my explanation, say yes, that is correct, I will do it.
46:12	S: Yes.
46:13	S: Maybe you feel it is right, you say that you will do it, but when you see a snake or something, maybe at that time you forget it.
46:21	K: No. S: Not if a snake.
46:24	K: I will tell you another instance. I can give you a great many instances. I was walking once in California. I took a very long walk, about eight miles. I went round like that, going down and coming up. It was getting dark, and suddenly I hear a big dog, Doberman – you know what a Doberman is? Big dog, you know, growled and came rushing out of the gate and I stood still. It went three times around me growling, big dog, and then got hold of my ankle –
47:11	K: Do you understand? S: Yes.
47:13	K: – and wouldn't let go. So I stood still and talked to it. I said look, it is time you went home.
47:30	K: Are you smiling cynically?
47:32	S: No, sir.
47:36	K: I said go home. I said very strongly: go home. And he relaxed, went around me and went off. When I got to my room, I began to shake, which is a physical reaction – you understand? At the moment I was not frightened. If I was frightened, it would have bitten me.
48:05	S: If that had been a leopard it wouldn't have listened to you.
48:10	K: I have met a tiger, but never – I wouldn't go into all this. I have got ten minutes. No, I have got less than ten minutes because we are all going to sit still, very quiet, absolutely quiet after I finish talking. You see, fear – listen carefully, listen to it – fear exists because there is future.
48:54	S: Do you mean to say there is supposed to be no future?
48:57	K: Just listen to it. First listen. I have had pain, a toothache, a week ago. I haven't had it, but I have had pain a week ago – listen carefully – and I say it is over, but it mustn't happen again, because then I get nervous. I have had pain a week ago and I think I mustn't have it in the future, but I am afraid it might happen again. You follow? Pain yesterday, thinking about it, hoping not having it tomorrow, brings fear. You have got it? Listen carefully. I have had a toothache two days ago, it has gone, the memory of it remains, and it might happen again next week, so I get frightened. Which means what? The pain of yesterday, remembrance of it, and the remembrance of it saying, I mustn't have it again, and I get frightened. Get it? Do you get this? You are too young.
50:27	S: Realisation of the past.
50:31	K: That is right. The realization of the past, which is, in the past you have had pain, and you might have it again. The 'might have it again' is future. Thinking about the future creates pain. You understand this? No, you are too young.
51:00	S: How do you try to avoid it?
51:03	K: I will show it to you. This is more complex. I have had pain yesterday and that pain has been registered in my brain, and the brain remembers it, and thought says, I mustn't have it again. So there is fear. Right? Now listen carefully. When there is pain of toothache yesterday, have that pain and forget it, put it aside, finish with it, don't you remember it. This is quite difficult, unless you go into it very carefully, which I will if you want me to. Which is, look, you have a pleasant thing happen to you yesterday, suppose, something happy. You remember it, don't you? S: Yes.
52:07	K: And then you say, I wish I could have more of it.
52:10	S: Yes. We don't say that to a sad thing. Something sad has happened, you don't say that.
52:16	K: No, I am taking pleasure first. When you have had pleasure yesterday, you remember it and you want more of it. But if it is pain – listen carefully – if it is pain, you don't want it, but it might happen. Therefore there is fear and the pleasure. You have understood? So the question is, can you, when you have pain, live with it and finish with it, when the pain is over yesterday? Don't think about it. This is a little too much for them.
53:03	S: When you say that it might happen sometime later, won't you try to avoid it the next time?
53:13	N: He says, when you think that it might happen again, won't you try to avoid it coming later.
53:21	K: Therefore the very avoidance also creates fear. This is little bit too much for them.
53:34	S: Sir, get rid of the past and then you will...
53:38	K: That is right: how can you get rid of the past pain? Your question is right, listen carefully. You have had a toothache last week. If you remember it all the time, you are frightened that it might happen again. Now, how will you forget it, so that you don't carry it over? You understand my question? S: Yes.
54:07	K: Now, how will you prevent that memory repeating itself?
54:17	S: To forget that, won't you try to find some solution for it?
54:22	N: He says, to deal with it you must find some solution.
54:28	K: I am showing you the solution.
54:31	S: You should not remember past pleasures also.
54:40	N: Don't remember the past pleasure – that is what she is saying.
54:43	K: Those who remember past pleasures live in the past, don't they?
54:48	S: No, sir. She said, if you don't remember the pain of the past, you should not remember even the pleasures of the past.
54:56	S: That is what she said. N: She says, if you remember the pleasures of the past, then you will also remember the pains of the past,
55:05	N: they go together. K: That is all.
55:07	K: If you remember the pleasures of the past, you will also remember the pain of the past. So, how will you not remember it? You understand my question?
55:23	S: You must be totally involved in what you are doing at the present moment.
55:28	K: That is right. That is, when you have pain be with it, don't run away from it. And when it is over, finished. But if you say, I must remember in order not to have it. You get the point? This is really not for young people, because you are not used to this kind of thinking. You follow? When you have pain you say, I must get rid of it, and you are frightened. You never say, well, I have got pain, I will look at it, I won't run away from it, I will be totally committed to it. Do you understand this? No, you are too young.
56:18	S: That means that you should welcome misery and happiness together?
56:23	N: Does it mean that we should invite and welcome misery and happiness together.
56:32	K: You don't have to welcome it, it is always there.
56:36	S: No, you said, when there is pain, we try to get rid of it.
56:42	K: Don't get rid of it. That is what I am telling you. Don't get rid of it – understand it, investigate it, find out. Don't say, I will run away from it.
56:52	S: If somebody is pinching you, just leave your hand there?
56:56	K: No, somebody is pinching you, you withdraw it.
56:59	S: Of course.
57:01	K: If you allow them to pinch, it might hurt you more and more, therefore you withdraw.
57:06	S: But you said... K: No,
57:09	K: I said something very different, you didn't listen.
57:12	S: No, I mean, next time when they come to pinch you, what if you withdraw your hand because you have the memory of that.
57:19	K: Therefore you don't go near the bird. You don't go near the man who wants to pinch you. This is a little too much for them.
57:31	S: Do you mean to say we have to have a blank mind all the time?
57:36	K: No, you can't have a blank mind all the time, can you?
57:41	S: Yes, then you remember your past and lose the present.
57:45	K: This is a little too much for you ladies, you are too young. This requires very careful thinking, watching, observing. If I want to understand that flower, I look at it very closely, don't I? I look at it, I have no other thought but only looking at the beauty of that flower. When you so observe, your mind is extraordinarily awake. So can you observe your fear in the same way?
58:26	S: I never tried, sir.
58:28	K: Now, do it. Don't try – do it.
58:32	S: What type of fear do you mean?
58:34	K: Any kind. You have fear, haven't you? Any kind – darkness, scolding of a teacher, your parents. Any kind of fear, watch it as you would watch a flower. Don't run away from it, don't say it is appalling, don't say I must have courage, just watch it. You understand? Right. Now, it is nearly time. Now, will you all sit quietly?
59:06	S: May I ask a question? Why do you ask us to sit quietly?
59:11	K: Why do I ask you to sit quietly. Quite right, sir. Why do you think I ask you?
59:20	S: I don't know the answer.
59:22	K: I don't know either.
59:25	S: So that we can memorise what you have told us.
59:27	K: No! It is not to memorise what I said. I said to you, observe the flower, not memorise it – go and do it. Now, he says why do you ask us to sit quietly. Why do you think I ask you? Don't do it. I am not saying you must sit quietly, but I am asking you, is it not important to sit sometime very quietly? Right? Is it not important?
1:00:08	S: I don't see the importance.
1:00:10	K: You don't see the importance. I will show it to you. God! You people have to be shown everything, haven't you? I am glad. I am glad you don't accept anything that anybody says. Right? S: Yes.
1:00:28	K: That means you don't accept authority.
1:00:36	S: But I have done, sir. I have accepted authority.
1:00:39	K: I know. Here, I am not an authority. So if you say I don't want to sit quietly, you are quite right. But find out first why I ask you politely: please sit quietly. Why do I ask you?
1:00:58	S: I don't know. K: You don't know. But I will tell you why you should sit quietly.
1:01:04	S: Because we want to get back our energy.
1:01:11	N: Because we want to get back our energy.
1:01:15	K: Quite right. You see? You see, that is quite right. You laugh, but what she said has great truth in it. She said we have dissipated our energy dancing, yelling, shouting, playing, listening, all that. But sitting quietly you gather all that energy. Right? You understand? You understand what I am saying?
1:01:58	S: You have to do it, to realise it.
1:02:02	K: Yes. Look, you play, don't you? You shout, you study, all that means you are spending energy, but when you sit quietly, the energy is being accumulated.
1:02:19	S: No, our mind is racing.
1:02:22	K: Your mind must be quiet also. Otherwise you are spending energy. Can your mind, your body, be absolutely quiet, so as to gather a lot of energy.
1:02:42	S: You can do that only while you are sleeping.
1:02:46	K: Don't enter into sleeping, that is another problem which I won't go into. That is why I said, please, be good enough to sit very quietly. If you sit like this, you don't get blood to your head. So you have to sit straight. And you are gathering energy, which means, your mind, your thinking must remain quiet, not go all over the place.
1:03:56	All right, sirs.