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Can we together create a good society?

Saanen - 10 July 1979

Public Talk 2

0:57	Krishnamurti: May we continue

1:00	with what we were talking about
	on Sunday morning?

1:05	Will that be all right?

1:17	I wonder
	if you have thought any more

1:20	about what we were talking
	on Sunday morning.

1:30	Whether you have gone into it
	deeply by yourselves

1:37	and have come to a certain point,

1:42	beyond perhaps which
	you may not be able to go,

1:48	and if so,
	we could go into it much further.

1:54	What we were saying
	on Sunday morning

1:58	was that we must have the capacity
	to think together.

2:09	The capacity comes
	naturally and inevitably

2:20	if one sees the importance

2:24	and the necessity,
	in a corrupting world,

2:33	that to think together
	does not imply

2:39	agreement or disagreement,

2:43	but putting aside
	one’s own particular point of view,

2:53	one’s own particular prejudice,

2:58	opinion, judgement,

3:05	and having the capacity thus
	to think together.

3:16	Because when we think together,

3:24	there is no division,

3:28	you are not thinking separately
	from the speaker.

3:35	Sorry, I’ve got slight hay fever.

3:39	Don’t give me medicines.

3:54	If we are able to think together,

4:03	the division between you and another
	comes to an end.

4:07	There is only thinking,

4:11	not your way of thinking

4:14	or another way of thinking,

4:17	just the capacity to think together.

4:27	But that is not possible

4:29	if you don’t put aside
	your own particular conclusions,

4:35	your own vanity,

4:38	your own personal demands,

4:41	otherwise there is
	no coming together.

4:46	The word ‘together’
	means walking together,

4:51	being together all the time,

4:53	not you walk ahead
	and the other walks behind,

4:58	but walking together means

5:01	we are both going
	along the same way,

5:06	not thinking different things,

5:09	observing the same thing,

5:12	not translating what you observed

5:14	in your own particular
	inclination or prejudice,

5:20	but observing together, listening
	together, walking together.

5:31	I wonder if you realise –

5:33	when that takes place, what happens
	between two human beings?

5:45	There is great demand,
	a great urge

5:49	in this present permissive society

5:53	that each one of us
	must fulfil,

5:57	sexually, emotionally,
	and so on –

6:03	the desire to fulfil.

6:07	And with it goes naturally
	the whole problem of frustration.

6:15	Please, listen carefully
	to what I am pointing out.

6:18	Don’t accept or deny
	what we are talking about,

6:22	but we are thinking together,
	and I mean thinking together.

6:33	When one is seeking
	fulfilment in another

6:39	or desiring to be and become
	and therefore act,

6:47	which is a form of fulfilment,

6:50	then in that movement
	there is frustration,

6:54	all kinds of neurotic ideas,
	neurosis, and so on, so on.

7:03	But when we think together,

7:08	that is, you have dropped
	your particular opinion,

7:12	judgement, and so on,

7:14	and the other has
	also dropped his,

7:17	there is no division

7:19	and therefore there is
	no sense of fulfilment

7:23	– I wonder if you get this –

7:26	and therefore
	no sense of frustration.

7:32	Please,
	this is not a verbal conclusion,

7:38	an idealistic concept,
	something to be achieved,

7:47	but the realisation
	of the actual fact

7:55	that as long as we are not thinking
	together about everything

8:04	– politics, religion, economics,
	personal relationships, and so on –

8:09	thinking together,

8:11	there must be division,

8:14	and out of that division
	there arises the desire to fulfil,

8:20	and inevitable sequence of that
	is frustration

8:27	with all its neurosis
	and all the inevitable reactions.

8:36	When we think together,
	all that comes to an end.

8:45	I wonder
	if you are following this.

8:54	If one may ask,
	you have, perhaps some of you,

9:01	listened to Sunday morning’s talk

9:08	and have you inwardly dropped
	your personal opinion,

9:16	your conclusion, your experience?

9:22	Or you hold on to them,
	consciously or unconsciously,

9:30	and make an effort
	to think together?

9:35	And of course,
	that is rather childish,

9:39	which only maintains
	a certain verbal communication,

9:45	but in actuality
	there is division

9:49	and therefore there is conflict.

9:53	When we think together,
	conflict comes to an end.

9:58	I wonder if you see this?

10:01	Please, you must get this.

10:10	Because we human beings
	for millennia upon millennia

10:15	have lived with conflict

10:18	– struggle, strife of various kinds:

10:24	physical, psychological, emotional,

10:28	exploiting each other –

10:32	the whole human relationship
	is based on that.

10:41	And in thinking together,

10:44	relationship undergoes
	a fundamental change,

10:50	because there is no division.

10:54	If you are ambitious and
	another is not ambitious,

10:58	there is division.

11:01	If you believe in God or in Jesus
	or Krishna, whatever it is,

11:08	and the other doesn’t,

11:09	there is division
	and therefore there is conflict.

11:11	You may tolerate each other,
	that is what is happening now,

11:17	but division exists
	– nationalism, and so on.

11:23	So if we could
	during these talks,

11:28	– I don’t know how many of them,
	I believe ten or so –

11:30	if we could,
	a group of us,

11:34	all of us if we can,
	at least a few of us,

11:40	apply our minds

11:44	to find out if we can
	absolutely think together.

11:54	Therefore when we do that,

11:57	the relationship between us
	completely undergoes a change.

12:02	Right?
	I wonder if you see this?

12:09	And also we were saying on Sunday,

12:13	psychologically thought
	has accepted

12:25	the progressive
	evolutionary process,

12:31	and therefore it is always
	trying to become something,

12:35	or be something.

12:38	And we talked about time,

12:42	if there is

12:44	– please listen,
	play with it –

12:50	if there is psychological time
	at all tomorrow,

12:55	if there is psychologically
	the future.

13:02	If there is not,

13:07	then what is the relationship
	between two human beings

13:11	who have no future?

13:16	You understand?
	You are following my question?

13:20	Not my question,
	it is your question.

13:25	You may not have put it to yourself,
	but it is being put forward.

13:30	So you have to look at it.

13:39	We have, throughout the centuries,

13:45	religiously, politically,
	and in different ways,

13:51	have accepted
	this idea of gradualness.

13:57	Right?
	That is obvious.

14:00	Gradually I will become perfect,

14:03	gradually I will be
	less this and more that.

14:09	In this gradational
	conclusion and evolution,

14:16	measurement has become important.

14:20	Naturally.
	You follow all this?

14:26	That is, measurement

14:28	– what one was, what one is
	and what one will be –

14:34	which is a measurement.

14:37	Measurement is time,

14:46	and we are questioning,
	questioning together,

14:50	if there is
	psychological time at all.

14:57	There is chronological time,
	obviously,

15:00	because we are going to meet
	if you want to,

15:03	the day after tomorrow morning
	– that is obvious.

15:10	If you want to go and play golf or
	go to the cinema or whatever it is,

15:13	there is the day after tomorrow.

15:16	But psychologically, inwardly,
	is there time?

15:26	Or thought has invented time,
	psychologically,

15:33	because it is too lazy, indolent

15:38	and also because
	it doesn’t know

15:41	how to deal
	with what is actually happening.

15:46	Therefore it says: give me time.

15:52	One does not know
	how to be free of envy,

15:57	but I’ll think about it,
	I’ll work at it

16:01	and gradually get rid of it
	– if you want.

16:05	But if you like to keep it,
	that’s all right.

16:09	So this has been
	our conditioning.

16:14	Right?

16:16	You are following this?

16:19	Not verbally, please,
	watch it in your own self.

16:24	This has been your conditioning,

16:27	and somebody comes along
	like the speaker

16:30	and says, ‘Is this so?’

16:36	You have accepted it,

16:38	this has been the tradition,
	educated tradition,

16:44	not a superstition,

16:46	because all people have –

16:48	scientists and others have talked
	about the ascent of man

16:53	through accumulation of knowledge,
	which is time, and so on

16:58	– you have accepted it.

17:00	And the speaker
	comes along and says,

17:03	‘Look, you may be all wrong,
	question it’.

17:13	So he says, perhaps there is
	no psychologically tomorrow.

17:20	You understand it?

17:22	No, see the importance
	of this question.

17:25	What happens to you

17:27	if you put that question
	very seriously,

17:32	not as an idea,
	but as an actuality?

17:39	Actuality means that
	which is happening now.

17:45	Right?

17:47	If you put that question
	to yourself,

17:50	then what is the quality of the mind

17:54	that does not think of tomorrow
	psychologically?

17:59	You follow?
	You have got my question?

18:05	Right?

18:06	What happens if there is
	no future psychologically

18:14	– there is a future:

18:16	you have to go and have your lunch,

18:19	you have to sleep,
	you have to do this and that

18:22	– but psychologically,
	if there is no future,

18:25	what is your relationship
	with another?

18:30	You have got this?
	You have understood this?

18:36	Have you solved this question
	which was put forward yesterday?

18:43	What is your relationship
	with your wife or girlfriend,

18:47	or with your... etc.,

18:50	if there is no tomorrow?

18:59	If you have tomorrow,
	psychologically,

19:07	then you create the image,

19:11	you pursue that image
	about her or him,

19:16	you have the memory cultivated
	in relation to that person,

19:22	and you act according
	to that memory, to that experience.

19:27	You pursue that.

19:30	Right?

19:33	So, when there is
	psychologically a future,

19:41	then it becomes mechanistic.

19:46	You follow
	what I mean by mechanistic

19:47	– routine, repetition,
	acting on remembrance.

19:59	Now, if there is no
	psychologically tomorrow,

20:05	what has taken place
	in your relationship?

20:09	In your relationship,
	not as an idea,

20:12	in your actual relationship
	to your wife, to your husband,

20:17	to your friend,
	to your boy, to your girl,

20:19	what actually takes place?

20:22	You understand this?

20:32	Are you interested in this?

20:40	Which means you have
	not only investigated the concept,

20:46	the conditioning
	of psychological future

20:52	and have understood
	the whole significance of it,

20:56	rationally, sanely, logically,

20:59	and said,
	‘That may not be’.

21:04	So you have hesitantly moved away
	from your conditioning.

21:11	And when you put this question,
	your mind is free to observe,

21:19	is no longer tethered
	to your conditioning

21:25	that there is a future.

21:27	You have got it?

21:32	What is your relationship
	to another

21:36	when tomorrow psychologically
	is not there?

21:58	Perhaps we could approach –

22:00	I don’t want to answer
	this question,

22:03	we’ll find out for ourselves
	as we go along.

22:07	I know you are waiting
	for me to answer it,

22:10	which would be

22:11	– there is no point, it would
	become verbal, rather silly.

22:18	But if you could pursue that thing
	in a different direction,

22:25	perhaps we will catch
	the inward significance

22:29	and the beauty and the truth of it.

22:42	The ancient Hindus and the Greeks

22:52	formulated a concept
	of a good society.

23:00	Don’t get bored with this.

23:08	They said a good society
	is this, this, this.

23:17	The Greeks said a good society
	is justice, and so on, so on.

23:25	The ancient Hindus said
	a good society is only possible

23:32	if there are a group of people
	who have renounced the world

23:37	– please, careful, I am not
	asking you to do it, anything,

23:41	I am pointing out –

23:45	who do not own property,

23:52	who are outside society,

23:57	and being outside society,

24:00	they are responsible
	to the activities of the society.

24:05	You follow?

24:10	Not that they withdraw,

24:12	but being outside society,

24:17	they are morally incorruptible,

24:23	because they didn’t own property
	of any kind.

24:51	And they were morally,
	ethically, religiously clear.

25:04	They would not kill,
	and so on, so on.

25:08	And for a certain time, probably,
	that existed.

25:13	Then it, like everything else,

25:16	it degenerated into what
	the world knows as a Brahmin.

25:23	The Greeks had the same idea:

25:27	that a good society
	must exist in the world.

25:34	And it was an idealistic,
	formulated, ideological society.

25:46	Ideas – you understand? –
	ideals,

25:53	and according to them,
	they formulated very carefully,

26:00	the Aristotelian, and so on,
	society,

26:05	but never existed.

26:11	Now we are saying
	– please, listen –

26:15	can we bring about
	a good society,

26:19	not ideologically, not as a utopia,

26:25	as something to be done,
	achieved,

26:30	but a society, which means

26:34	a relationship between two people
	is society.

26:38	You are following all this?

26:41	Can we as a group
	create such a good society?

26:46	Now wait a minute.

26:48	The Greeks formulated, the Hindus
	formulated and probably the Chinese,

26:54	but we are not
	formulating anything.

26:59	We are not saying the ideal

27:03	– society must be this, this, this.

27:07	We are not saying that

27:10	because that becomes a utopia,
	an ideal to be pursued

27:15	– you are following all this? –
	something to be done.

27:23	We are talking about a good society

27:31	which can only come into being

27:35	when you as a human being,
	representative of all mankind

27:44	– I’m coming to that,
	hold on to it –

27:49	are responsible
	to another human being.

27:57	When we say
	you are the whole of mankind,

28:10	psychologically you are.

28:14	Right?

28:16	You may have
	a different shape of head,

28:21	lighter skin or darker skin,

28:26	better food –
	therefore you are taller,

28:31	in a temperate climate,

28:34	your name may be different,

28:36	but psychologically
	we live at the same level

28:44	– sorrow, pain,
	anxiety, frustration,

28:50	a sense of hopeless loneliness,
	great sorrow. You follow?

28:56	This exists right through the world.

29:03	This is a fact,

29:05	it is not an idea which you accept.

29:10	If you go to India,

29:13	you see the same phenomena
	there as here.

29:17	They are darker people,
	over-populated, poverty,

29:24	but psychologically
	they are anxious,

29:27	insecure, confused, miserable,

29:30	worship something
	which they imagine,

29:34	just like here.

29:36	So there is great similarity.

29:43	And psychologically
	it is the same movement,

29:48	varied, modified,

29:51	but the source of this movement is
	the same for all mankind – right?

29:56	You see this?

29:59	Not as an idea but as an actuality,
	that is, what is happening.

30:07	Right?

30:10	So you are the rest of mankind.

30:24	If you see that,

30:27	you won’t give such
	tremendous importance to yourself,

30:34	your personal anxieties,
	your personal fulfilment,

30:40	you know, all the self-centred
	egotistic problems,

30:44	because you are like everybody else.

30:50	But you have to solve it.

30:56	Right?

30:59	So, we are saying

31:08	– I am getting rather tired,
	are you? –

31:14	we are saying a good society
	can come into being immediately,

31:25	not something to be achieved
	in the future.

31:32	That good society
	can come into being only

31:36	when we think together,

31:39	which means no division
	between you and another.

31:45	Then our whole conduct changes.
	Right, do you see that?

31:52	Then one does not
	exploit the other,

31:57	either sexually or in various
	psychological subtle ways.

32:07	Right?
	At least verbally follow this.

32:14	But verbally means nothing,

32:17	like following empty air,

32:23	holding empty ashes
	in your empty hand.

32:31	So, we are saying a good society,

32:36	which must exist
	in this terrible world,

32:43	in this murderous world,

32:47	immoral society,

32:51	if a group of us
	can think together,

33:01	therefore I asked:

33:03	what is the relationship
	of you to another

33:12	if there is no
	psychological future?

33:18	You see, you understand
	what has happened?

33:24	Do you…

33:30	What has happened to a mind
	– please, listen –

33:33	what has happened to a mind

33:40	that has been accustomed,
	trained, educated, conditioned

33:46	to accept the whole
	pattern of a life

33:52	which is based on the future?

33:59	That has been your way of life.

34:07	In that is involved the constant
	effort to become, to achieve –

34:14	competition, comparison,

34:19	imitation, the struggle.

34:27	If intelligently you don’t accept
	that way of living,

34:35	which means

34:36	that you do not accept in your
	relationship with another future,

34:45	then what takes place in your mind,
	what has happened to your mind?

35:09	This is an important question
	if you can solve it for yourself

35:16	– not solve it.

35:39	If your mind has that quality

35:44	that is not acting
	– please, listen –

35:48	from an ideological point of view,

35:53	having an ideal
	and acting according to that ideal,

35:57	which means division

36:00	therefore no ideals whatever,

36:14	and therefore no attempt
	to achieve something

36:19	other than understand
	what is actually happening.

36:25	Have you understood this?

36:34	Are you all asleep?

36:36	Q: No.

36:46	K: You come and tell me
	that there is no tomorrow.

36:54	I listen very carefully
	to what you say

36:59	because perhaps you have something,

37:05	a way of living
	in which there is no conflict.

37:13	You come and tell me that.

37:19	First, I ask myself:
	am I listening to you?

37:28	Am I actually absorbing
	what you are saying?

37:33	Or am I translating
	what you’re saying

37:38	into an idea and accepting the idea

37:43	– follow it carefully! –

37:46	and rejecting or accepting that idea

37:51	and then say – how am I to live
	according to that idea?

37:57	You follow?

37:58	That is what you are all doing.

38:04	Whereas the man says:
	don’t do that, but just listen.

38:12	Listen to the fact
	that you have lived this way,

38:17	see all the consequences
	of living that way,

38:21	what are the implications,
	logically, step by step.

38:26	You have lived that way

38:28	and therefore you have become,

38:32	your mind has become
	completely mechanistic

38:36	– routine, repeat,
	repetition, following.

38:42	If you see that very carefully,
	he says to me,

38:47	find out for yourself

38:53	what happens if you do not think
	in terms of the future.

39:00	What happens to you
	in your relationship with another?

39:07	With the other
	is equally thinking with you.

39:14	You understand?

39:15	He also says,
	‘Yes, I see that’.

39:18	So let both of us think together.

39:21	I drop my opinions,
	drop my prejudices, so on,

39:25	so we are together thinking.

39:28	Do you follow?

39:29	Then what happens?

39:37	Because we have…

39:44	all of us want, desire,
	long for a good society

39:51	where we don’t hurt each other,
	kill each other, maim each other,

39:55	go to war against each other,

39:59	live in perpetual insecurity,
	frightened.

40:05	We all want a society
	of a different kind.

40:15	Some have said
	– please, listen –

40:18	some have said you can have
	such a good society

40:22	if you alter the circumstances,
	the environment.

40:28	The Communists, the Socialists,
	all the rest of the world,

40:33	says change all that through law,
	democratically if you can,

40:39	if you cannot – totalitarian –
	suppress, conform, force,

40:45	but change the environment.

40:51	They have tried it
	in ten different ways

40:54	– that has never happened.

40:56	Man has not changed.

41:01	Either as a Christian human being,
	or a Hindu,

41:04	he has not changed radically.

41:10	Why?

41:13	Is it an economic reason?

41:16	Is it a matter of belief?

41:19	You believe in Jesus,
	another doesn’t.

41:23	Why?

41:27	Why has there been
	in the world

41:34	thousands and thousands of years
	this constant division?

41:41	The Egyptians, the Greeks,
	the Romans, the Persians,

41:45	you know, the whole division
	– why?

41:49	Is it because

41:51	no two human beings
	have ever found out

41:55	how to think together?

41:58	You understand my point?

42:06	You and I can’t think together.

42:10	I want to.

42:12	The speaker says, ‘For god’s sake,
	let’s think together

42:16	because we will create
	a different world altogether’.

42:22	But you say, ‘Sorry,

42:24	I want my opinions,
	I like my opinions,

42:28	I cannot let go
	my experiences, my pleasures’.

42:36	So it keeps that division going.

42:45	Now we are saying:

42:48	can you put aside all your stupid,
	you know, worthless things

42:56	– opinions, experiences;
	they are dead, gone, finished,

43:02	and say, ‘Let’s think together’.

43:05	So our minds, not your mind
	is different from mine,

43:11	there is only one mind
	when we are together

43:14	– you understand this? –

43:19	then what is the relationship
	of that mind

43:24	to another mind in daily life?

43:31	Go on, sirs.

43:35	Q: Is that
	a rhetorical question, sir?

43:39	Because if not I would like to reply

43:44	but I don’t want
	to interrupt your talk.

43:49	K: I can’t hear, sir
	– somebody, have you heard?

43:54	Q: He says,
	is it a rhetorical question.

43:56	K: No, it is not
	a rhetorical question.

43:59	Q: Can you say you want to get
	an answer from the audience,

44:02	not from yourself?

44:04	K: That is why I am waiting, sir.
	Q: I am giving you one now, sir.

44:07	K: Oh, no, not one answer.

44:09	Q: I can only give you my answer.
	I can’t answer for anybody else?

44:12	K: Ah! Then we are not
	thinking together.

44:18	No, no,
	that is the whole point, sir.

44:21	Please, forgive me.

44:24	There is no your point of view
	and my point of view.

44:27	Q: I never said point of view, sir.

44:32	K: Your way of expressing it.

44:35	Q: No, sir,
	what I wanted to say was just this:

44:38	you said, if there was
	no psychological time,

44:41	what is your relationship
	with another?

44:44	My answer to that is:

44:46	wait till Thursday
	and I can tell you

44:49	because right now
	I cannot tell you.

44:51	I have quarrelled with my wife
	for twenty years.

44:54	K: So, are you saying, sir,
	that I cannot tell you about it now.

45:02	I have done this
	for twenty years,

45:05	I cannot tell you now
	but perhaps later on in the future?

45:09	Q: On Thursday, sir.

45:12	In the past, I have listened to you

45:14	in the way
	that is not listening at all.

45:17	Right now I feel maybe
	I am on your wavelength,

45:21	but I need a little bit of time
	to experiment with this.

45:25	I cannot give you the answer
	immediately

45:27	and tell you what is
	my relationship with another

45:30	when I have not had
	the opportunity to observe

45:33	what is happening in daily life.

45:36	Sitting here...
	K: That is what I am saying, sir.

45:38	Yes, sir, I have understood
	your question.

45:40	I haven’t had the opportunity
	to put this question to myself,

45:43	I must have time
	and then I will answer you.

45:46	I say you are off.

45:49	I say you are then not meeting.

45:52	I love you.

46:03	And what happens to such a mind
	that says, I have no division?

46:10	Now, not I will think it over,
	I will work at it – then you are...

46:19	Q: It’s open.

46:24	K: No, you are not
	meeting my point, sir.

46:27	Q: Well, you cannot possibly
	know what happens.

46:30	K: Comment, madame?

46:31	Q: I think,
	if you are thinking together,

46:34	you can’t know what happens.

46:41	K: Do you know what your
	relationship is with another now?

46:46	Q: No.

46:51	K: You don’t know what your
	relationship with another is now,

46:54	with your wife, your friend,
	your girl or boy,

46:57	do you know what it is now?

47:00	Q: No.

47:02	K: You don’t know?

47:06	Q: We know but...

47:10	K: I am asking you.
	So you know?

47:12	Q: Of course.

47:13	Q: I don’t know.

47:19	K: The lady says
	she doesn’t know.

47:24	Will your boyfriend and husband
	accept that?

47:36	You are playing games.

47:44	Let’s put the question
	differently.

47:50	What shall we do together

47:54	to bring about
	a change in the world?

48:02	We all say change is necessary.

48:06	We see things are degenerating,

48:08	you know what is happening
	in the world,

48:10	terrible things are happening
	in the world.

48:15	And what shall we do together
	– please, listen – to change this?

48:21	Q: We have to change ourselves.
	K: No, wait, wait.

48:22	I am coming to that.

48:24	Don’t say change ourselves.
	You have had 50 years.

48:29	Q: 52.
	K: 52!

48:43	You have had 52 years,

48:45	why in the name of heavens
	haven’t you changed?

48:51	So it means you are
	accepting the future.

48:56	Something will happen
	to make you change.

49:01	My question then, ask, sir:

49:03	what shall we do together?
	– please, listen.

49:08	Though you have listened
	to the speaker for 52 years

49:12	or 10 years or 5 years,

49:14	what shall we do together
	to bring about a new society?

49:28	The Catholics
	at one time in history,

49:31	they were terribly united.

49:35	Anybody who disagreed

49:36	were tortured, inquisitioned, burnt.

49:42	But for a time they held it,

49:45	because they had the same belief,

49:47	same –
	you know, all the rest of it.

49:51	Now all that is gone
	– nobody believes in anything.

49:58	And we see the society as it is.

50:02	What shall we do together?

50:09	When one is put that question,

50:11	each one has different plans
	– right?

50:15	different ideas, different concepts:
	do this, don’t do that,

50:19	we must all join together
	to elect a new president,

50:22	a new politician – you follow?

50:41	So I am asking:
	will a belief bring us together?

50:48	Right?

50:49	Q: No.
	K: It can’t. Wait.

50:53	Will authority bring us together?
	Q: No.

51:03	K: I promise you a reward.
	Q: No.

51:09	K: You will reach Nirvana
	if you do this.

51:14	Q: No.

51:16	K: Or if you don’t do this,
	you will go to hell.

51:20	Reward and punishment,
	on which we have lived.

51:27	So what will bring us together?

51:32	Belief won’t,

51:35	authority of any kind is rejected,

51:41	the reward by another
	as a means for you to change

51:48	is also rejected.

51:50	And if you say you are going to be
	punished in heaven for not obeying,

51:54	you say, ‘Go away, don’t be silly’,
	and you pass him.

52:00	So what will make us come together?

52:03	Q: Try to listen.

52:12	K: But you won’t listen
	if you are prejudiced.

52:18	Right?

52:20	So will you drop your prejudice?

52:23	We come back to the same thing.

52:27	Will you drop
	your personal desire

52:29	for some extraordinary evolutionary
	utopia, enlightenment?

52:37	Drop your idea
	of what meditation must be?

52:43	Can you let go all that?

52:50	And will it take another 52 years,

52:55	you say, ‘Yes,
	at the end of it, I am dying,

52:57	but I hope I will give it up’.

53:01	You follow?

53:03	So what will bring us together?
	You put that question.

53:10	Q: We have not asked,
	I don’t know why.

53:13	K: Only when we are able
	to think together.

53:16	Right, sir?

53:20	When you and I
	see the same thing.

53:26	Not you see the thing differently
	and I see it differently.

53:31	When both of us see something
	actually happening as it is,

53:38	then we can both look at it.

53:42	But if you say
	that is not happening,

53:44	only it is imagination,
	or it is this, that or the other

53:48	– you follow what I am saying?

53:51	So what will make us come together?

54:00	I am not talking sexually,

54:03	in this permissive world that is
	the most silly obvious thing,

54:10	and we think
	that is being together.

54:22	Let’s put the question differently:

54:30	if there is no tomorrow
	psychologically, the future,

54:38	what is my action towards another?

54:47	The future implies no ideals,
	and no past either.

54:56	You understand this?

54:59	If the future you deny
	psychologically,

55:02	you also must deny the past.

55:06	I don’t know if you follow this?

55:12	Gosh!

55:18	Will you let your past go?

55:26	Your hurts, the wounds
	that you have received,

55:33	the unfulfilled desires,
	the anxieties

55:41	– which is the past.

55:46	Psychologically,
	if there is no future,

55:51	it implies psychologically
	there is no past.

55:55	I wonder if you see this!

55:58	You can’t have one
	and reject the other,

56:03	they are the same movement.

56:08	And that is our difficulty.

56:14	Our difficulty is to let go,

56:18	either the past or the future,

56:23	because we are frightened.

56:29	I won’t go into that now,
	but look at it, what we are doing.

56:32	We want to change the world.

56:35	It is necessary
	for our grandchildren.

56:38	You know, sir, if you love somebody

56:40	with your heart, with your blood
	with your whole being,

56:43	love somebody,

56:47	and you have a small child
	whom you love,

56:51	do you want him
	to enter into this world?

56:56	So what shall we do?

56:59	But you are not
	interested in this.

57:03	Q: But do you think it is really
	possible to do it totally?

57:06	Is someone that you know
	that has done it?

57:11	K: Is this possible to do it
	totally, the gentleman asks,

57:15	who has heard me 52 years.

57:18	And do you know anybody
	who has done this.

57:28	It would be impudent on my part
	– please, listen –

57:32	impudent, impolite, incorrect,

57:36	to say I know somebody.

57:42	What is important is:
	are you now?

57:47	Not do you know somebody.

57:53	That is escaping from yourself

57:57	when you say,
	‘Well show me somebody, a result’.

58:02	The speaker is not
	interested in results.

58:07	If he is,
	then he will be disappointed,

58:11	he will be exploiting, he will enter
	into quite a different world.

58:17	So what shall we do together?

58:22	You see,

58:25	if you understood
	that word ‘together’.

58:35	You know,
	when you hold your hand with another

58:41	whom you like,

58:44	you may be holding hands and
	each person thinking differently.

58:50	Right?

58:54	But they are not together.

59:00	Together means
	having the same quality of mind.

59:08	When they love each other, it is
	the same quality. You understand?

59:11	To love somebody so completely

59:14	– oh, you don’t...

59:18	In that there is no future,
	is there?

59:20	You don’t say,
	‘I will love you tomorrow’.

59:32	So what shall we do

59:35	to bring about a feeling

59:42	that we are not separate,
	we are together,

59:50	the feeling, quality,
	the feeling of it – you understand?

1:00:06	It is quite phenomenal

1:00:09	that this gentleman
	has heard me 52 years,

1:00:13	another gentleman over there
	for 20 years,

1:00:19	and some of you have heard me
	for 10, 5, or for the first time

1:00:31	– what will make you change?

1:00:43	Being hit on the head?

1:00:51	Offering you a reward?

1:00:54	What will make you change
	so that you say, ‘Look,

1:00:57	it is the greatest importance
	in life to be together’?

1:01:23	Q: Letting go of fear.

1:01:26	K: No fear.

1:01:30	Is that it?

1:01:33	Or is it – please, listen –

1:01:35	or is it

1:01:40	we think we are secure
	in our separateness?

1:01:51	Q: Yes, sir.

1:01:52	Q: It must start...

1:01:54	K: Just listen, madame,
	to what I have said.

1:02:01	Each one of us thinks,

1:02:03	because we have a particular name,

1:02:07	a form, a job,
	a bank account,

1:02:11	belong to a particular nation,
	particular group,

1:02:15	we are safe, secure.

1:02:23	And I say: are you secure?

1:02:28	Obviously you are not.

1:02:36	So you follow?

1:02:37	You want to be secure completely
	in your isolation,

1:02:44	and the moment you are isolated
	you cannot be secure.

1:02:51	That is what each nation is saying.

1:02:56	We must be secure,
	we must build up arms,

1:03:03	we must protect ourselves
	against you.

1:03:07	So each human being
	wants to be secure in his isolation.

1:03:14	Oh, for god’s sake!

1:03:19	And when you are isolated,
	you can never be secure.

1:03:34	Isn’t that a fact?
	Q: Yes.

1:03:37	K: Therefore, if it is a fact,
	don’t be isolated.

1:03:45	You see, you won’t accept the fact
	and say it is so,

1:03:50	and yet you keep to the fact,
	hold on.

1:03:56	It is a hopeless generation,
	is that it?

1:04:00	No, sir.

1:04:05	So we are pointing out –
	there is complete total security

1:04:11	when we are together.

1:04:15	You understand?

1:04:16	When we are thinking together.

1:04:28	And only out of that
	can come a good society,

1:04:35	which is righteous, which is moral,

1:04:42	which will have peace
	– you know.

1:04:45	In that there is security,
	not in what you have now.

1:04:57	Basta.

1:04:59	We will meet the day after tomorrow,
	I believe, don’t we?