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SM72T4 - Iný druh energie
4.Verejné vystúpenie
Santa Monica, USA
26 marec 1972



0:44 Krishnamurti: I think we have talked about several things during the past three gatherings that we have had here. And this morning we ought to, I think, talk about and share together naturally, the question of how to have not only abundant physical energy but also a quality of energy that is not purely physical, brought about through friction, struggle – a quality of energy that is totally different. Because we need energy, not only to change ourselves in the light of our own understanding of ourselves, but also we need a great deal of energy to change the social structure in which we live. Krishnamurti: Myslнm, ћe sme hovorili o niekoѕkэch veciach poиas poslednэch troch zhromaћdenн, иo sme tu mali. A dnes rбno by sme mali, myslнm si, hovoriќ a spolu sa rozprбvaќ o otбzke, ako maќ nielen kopec fyzickej energie, ale aj energiu ktorб je nielen fyzickб, spфsobenб cez trenice, boj, - ale maќ takъ kvalitu energie, ktorб je ъplne inб. Pretoћe my potrebujeme energiu nielen nato, aby sme sa zmenili svetlo v nбs samotnэch, ale tieћ potrebujeme veѕa energie nato, aby sme zmenili spoloиenskъ љtruktъru v ktorej ћijeme.
2:17 Questioner: We can't hear over here. Otбzka: Nepoиujeme tu.
2:19 K: Oh, Lord. You can't hear. I don't know, it is not my fault. Can you hear now? K: Boћe! Nepoиujete. No neviem, to nie je moja chyba. Poиujete teraz?
2:38 Q: The speaker is too bassy. O: Reproduktor mб silnй basy.
2:44 K: I am afraid I can't hear. K: Obбvam sa, ћe nepoиujem.
2:52 Q: That is our problem, too. O: Ani my.
2:53 K: So what shall we do? K: Tak иo budeme robiќ?
2:59 Q: The technicians need to do their work. K: Nech to vyrieљia technici.
3:02 Q: We need more treble. O: Potrebujeme vэљky.
3:12 Q: There is too much bass and not enough treble. The speaker system needs an adjustment. O: Basy sъ prнliљ hore a vэљky dole. Treba nastaviќ reproduktory.
3:18 Q: The words are all muffled.

K: Muffled. Is it better now?
O: Vљetky slovб sъ tlmenй.

K: Tlmenй. Je to teraz lepљie?
3:24 Audience: Yes. Obecenstvo: Бno.
3:26 K: I had better talk a little bit louder. K: Mal by som hovoriќ hlasnejљie.
3:33 As we were saying, we not only need a great deal of energy to change ourselves, in the light of our own understanding of ourselves, but also we need a great deal of energy to change the social order, to bring about a different society, a different culture. And we said, as yesterday, that thought has brought about considerable energy, thought in its conflict with others, thought in conflict with itself, thought – aggressive, separative, a great deal of friction, and this friction has given us considerable energy. And it is more so in this country, there is so much energy, physical energy. And we need also a different kind of energy that is not the result of conflict, struggle, competition, and the endless sorrow, which has its own energy. And that is what I would like this morning to talk about. Ako som povedal, nepotrebujeme len veѕa energie na to, aby sme sa zmenili v svetlo, aby sme sa pochopili samэch seba, ale potrebujeme aj veѕa energie nato, aby sme zmenili spoloиenskэ poriadok, vytvorili inъ spoloиnosќ, inъ kultъru. A ako sme vиera povedali, myseѕ vytvorila nesmiernu energiu vпaka konfliktom s druhэmi, myseѕ v konflikte sama so sebou, myseѕ - agresнvna, rozdeѕujъca, veѕkй nesvбry, a tieto nesvбry nбm priniesli znaиnъ energiu. A o to viac je to v tejto krajine! jJe tu veѕa energie, fyzickej energie. A my potrebujeme aj inъ energiu, ktorб nie ne vэsledkom kofliktu, zбpasenia, sъќaћenia, a nekoneиnйho smъtku, ktorэ mб svoju vlastnъ energiu. A o tomto by som chcel dnes rбno hovoriќ.
5:31 We see that a new quality of energy, not personal energy or a collective energy, an energy of a totally different dimension not of any particular group, country, of any religious belief and dogma, but an energy that is totally outside of all the human conflict, with all its energy that does bring about certain outward effects. I don't quite know how deeply I can go into this with you. Because it seems to me that all religions – because I am chiefly concerned with religion – all religions, whatever the organisation, belief, dogma be, have tried to capture an energy that is not brought about by thought. I am not talking about the religion which the priests have invented throughout the world, organised, with their vested interest in property, in God, in rituals, but a religion that has nothing whatsoever to do with any dogma, belief, ritual, that is not the product of a cunning thought, contriving to shape man's behaviour. We are talking about a religion which is of the highest... Vidнme, ћe novб kvalita energie, nie osobnб energia, alebo kolektнvna energia, enegia ъplne inej dimenzie, nie konkrйtnej skupiny, krajiny, inйho nбboћenskйho presvedиenia a dogmy, ale energiu ktorб je ъplne mimo ѕudskэch konfliktov, s celou svojou energiou ktorб neprinбљa urиitй vonkajљie efekty. Neviem celkom presne, ako sa o tom s vami rozprбvaќ. Lebo sa mi zdб, ћe vљetky nбboћenstvб - pretoћe mбm veѕkй obavy kvфli nбboћenstvu, vљetkэm nбboћenstvбm, иi uћ je to hocijakб organizбcia, presvedиenie, dogma, sa pokъsila uchopiќ energiu, ktorб nepochбdza z mysle. Nehovorнm o nбboћenstve ktorй vymysleli kтazi na celom svete, organizovanй, so svojim zбujmom o majetok, v Boha, o rituбly, ale o nбboћenstve, ktorй nemб to niи spoloиnй s akoukoѕvek dogmou, vierou, rituбlom, ktorб nie je to vэtvorom prefнkanej mysle, a vymэљѕa upravovanie ѕudskйho sprбcania sa. Hovorнme o nбboћenstve ktorй je najvyљљie...
8:06 Has something gone wrong? Pokazilo sa nieиo?
8:08 Q: It has turned off.

K: Oh Lord.
O: Vyplo sa to.

K: Boћe!
8:12 Q: We can hear you now. It is good now. O: Uћ vбs poиujeme. Uћ je to dobrй.
8:16 K: Is it better now?

A: Yes.
K: Je to teraz lepљie?

A: Бno.
8:18 K: Ah, at last. Where am I? We are talking of a different kind of religion, totally different, in which there are no saviours, masters, acceptance of authority, in which the priest doesn't intervene, in which there is direct perception. And that very perception brings about its own order, its own vitality, its own energy. Some religious leaders – really they shouldn't be called leaders at all – religious teachers, have tried to convey, as far as I can understand, the quality of this energy which brings about order in existence. And this energy is not the result of friction, with which we are quite familiar. The more you are aggressive, the more energy you have. The more competitive, the more energy. Ultimately, you have heart failures. But we are talking of an energy that comes through the total understanding of consciousness, and going beyond it. K: Ach, koneиne. Kde som? Hovorнme o inom nбboћenstve, ъplne inom, v ktorom nie sъ spasitelia, majstri, akceptбcia autority, do ktorйho kтaz nezasahuje, v ktorom je priame vnнmanie. A to priame vnнmanie prinбљa svoj vlastnэ poriadok, vlastnъ vitalitu, vlastnъ energiu. Niektorн duchovnн vodcovia - v skutoиnosti by sa vфbec nemali nazэvaќ lнdrami - nбboћenskн uиitelia, sa pokъљali priniesќ, aspoт pokiaѕ tomu rozumiem, takъ vlastnosќ energie, ktorб vnбљa poriadok do existencie. A tбto energia nie je vэsledkom konfliktu, ktorэ celkom dobre poznбme. Инm ste agresнvnejљн, tэm viacej mбte energie. Инm sme sъќaћivejљн, tэm viac energie mбte. A nakoniec dostanete infarkt. Ale my hovorнme o energii ktorб prichбdza cez ъplnй pochopenie vedomia, a ide aћ zaт.
10:36 Our consciousness, that is you, is its content. The content is the quality of that consciousness. And whether that content be superficial, petty, narrow, bigoted, or clever, erudite, capable of great sacrifice, great wisdom, is still the content of that consciousness. Your consciousness, if you observe it closely, is it not made up of your racial inheritance, the communal collective beliefs, culture, morality. It is also made up of various beliefs, dogmas, fears, pleasures and so on. That consciousness is you. And because of its content it must be always limited, it must always have borders within the confines of which the contents function and live. Naљe vedomie, ktorэm ste vy, je jeho obsahom. Obsah je rysom tohto vedomia. A иi je tento obsah povrchnэ, bezvэznamnэ, ъzkoprsэ, bigotnэ, alebo mъdry, erudovanэ, schopnэ veѕkej obety, veѕkej mъdrosti, je to stбle ten istэ obsah vedomia. Vaљe vedomie, ak sa na to pozriete zblнzka, nie je vytvorenй z vбљho rasovйho pфvodu, kolektнvneho presvedиenia, kultъry, morбlky. Je vytvorenй aj z rфznych vier, dogiem, strachov, radostн a podobne. To vedomie ste vy. A kvфli jeho obsahu musн byќ vћdy limitovanй, vћdy musн maќ hranice, v ktorэch to vedomie funguje a ћije.
12:35 Are we meeting each other? Please, this is very serious because I want to go into this very deeply if I can this morning, because perhaps a few of us can capture this. I mean by capturing, you cannot hold it, as you cannot hold the heavens in your fist or the sea in your hands, but you can, if you give your attention somewhat to it, come upon it. And it seems to me it is most essential, if we are to create quite a different kind of culture, a different kind of society, morality. Our consciousness is always limited, whether it is conscious or unconscious. This division between consciousness and the deeper layers is quite artificial. And the psychologists, the analysts and the latest theorists want to shape man at the very root of the unconscious. That is, as superficially you cannot be changed, because you are too well established in the habitual way of life – anger, jealousy, aggression, competition, calling yourself Catholic, Protestant or what you will. That apparently hasn't changed man he is still brutal, vicious, eager to kill on the least provocation. A society in which the mothers are quite willing to destroy their children through war. Superficially, apparently, human beings are almost impossible to change. So, unconsciously, if there is a radical change there, perhaps it will affect the outer behaviour, and so there is great endeavour going on. And the religions have done it, organised religions also, but they did it in the name of God, in the name of fear, through reward and punishment, hell and heaven – that too has failed. Education has failed. Rozumieme si? Prosнm, toto je veѕmi dфleћitй, pretoћe chcem o tom dnes rбno hovoriќ veѕmi podrobne. Pretoћe to moћno niektorн z nбs uchopia. Tэm uchopenнm nemyslнm, ћe to chytнte, tak ako ani nebesia nemфћete drћaќ v hrsti, alebo more vo vaљich rukбch, ale budete mфcќ, ak tomu budete venovaќ trochu pozornosti, prнsќ na to. A zdб sa mi, ћe je to to najpodstatnejљie, ak vytvorнme celkom inъ kultъru, inэ druh spoloиnosti, morбlky. Naљe vedomie je vћdy limitovanй, иi uћ vedome alebo nevedome. Toto rozdelenie medzi vedomнm a hlbљнmi vrstvami je dosќ neprirodzenй. A psycholуgovia, anylitici, a najnovљн teoretici chcъ formovaќ иloveka na samom zбklade vedomia. Иo znamenб, ћe povrchne sa nemфћete zmeniќ, pretoћe ste si prнliљ zvykli na obvyklэ spфsob ћivota - - hnev, ћiarlivosќ, agresivita, sъќaћenie, hovorнte si katolнk, protestant alebo hociиo. To oиividne иloveka nezmenilo . Zostal brutбlny, љkodoradostnэ, tъћi zabiќ pri najmenљej provokбcii. Spoloиnosќ, v ktorej sъ matky celkom ochotnй niиiќ svoje deti vojnou. Povrchne oиividne, ѕudskй bytosti takmer nie je moћnй zmeniќ. Takћe, v podvedomн, ak sa radikбlna zmena udeje tam, moћnoћe to ovplyvnн vonkajљie sprбvanie, takћe stбle tu o to prebieha veѕkб snaha. A nбboћenstvб to spravili. Aj organizovanй nбboћenstvб, ale spravili to v mene boha, zo strachu, skrz odmenu a trest, nebo a peklo, - ale ani to sa nepodarilo. Zlyhalo vzdelanie.
16:20 So, there are those people who are trying to affect the unconscious. To condition it much more so that the conscious mind conforms or acts according to the dictates of the unconscious. That is all within the field of consciousness. And I feel, in examining all this – and I have been doing this for the last 50, 60 years of my life – I find in myself and in others, that the real transformation of the mind and the heart doesn't lie within this field of consciousness, it lies outside it. And the problem then arises, how is it possible to empty the whole content of consciousness so that there is a different mind, a different intelligence, a sense of compassion, love, which can function within the given culture? Takћe sъ tu ѕudia, ktorн sa pokъљajъ ovyplyvniќ podvedomie. Podmieniќ ho eљte viac, tak aby sa vedomб myseѕ prispфsobila alebo konala podѕa diktбtu podvedomia. Toto vљetko obsahuje vedomie. A ja cнtim, pri skъmanн vљetkэch tэchto skutoиnostн, - a robнm to uћ poslednэch 50, 60 rokov mфjho ћivota - zisќujem v sebe a v inэch, ћe skutoиnб transformбcia mysle a srdca nespoинva v tejto oblasti vedomia, spoинva mimo nej! A potom vznikб problйm, ako sa dб vyprбzdniќ celэ obsah vedomia tak, aby vznikla inб myseѕ, inб inteligencia, zmysel pre sъcit, lбsku, ktorй mфћu fungovaќ v rбmci danej kultъry?
18:29 You see, to put it differently, I can change myself through will, through determination, through every form of compulsion. Either that compulsion be reward or punishment. I can learn to behave, not be aggressive, not be competitive, not be greedy, envious, and all the things that has brought about this unfortunate, insane society. That is fairly easy, I can set about doing it consciously, having determined consciously to pursue a certain path, and consciousness then accepts it, follows it. But that remains very superficial because it is still within the field of the known, still within the field of time, within the field of superficial activity, and therefore my life remains ordinary, mediocre, doing good here and there, superficial, rather petty, and so on. Vidнte, inak povedanй: Mфћem sa zmeniќ prostrednнctvom vфle, prostrednнctvom rozhodnutia, cez vљetky formy nбtlaku? Иi uћ je ten nбtlak formou odmeny alebo trestu. Mфћem sa nauиiќ sprбvaќ, nebyќ agresнvny, nebyќ sъќaћivэ, chamtivэ, zбvistlivэ, a vљetky tie veci ktorй priniesli toto neљќastie, tъto љialenъ spoloиnosќ? Je to celkom jednoduchй. Mфћem to zaиaќ robiќ vedome, vedome sa rozhodnъќ pre jednu cestu, a vedomie, ktorй to akceptuje to nasleduje. Ale zostбva to veѕmi povrchnй pretoћe je to stбle v rovine poznanйho, stбle v rovine иasu, v rovine vonkajљej aktivity, a preto mфj ћivot zostбva obyиajnэ, priemernэ, sem tam vykonб dobro, povrchne, skфr nevэznamne, a tak пalej.
20:21 So the mind says that is not good enough, that is still a bourgeois life, whether it is lived in America or in China or in Russia. So the mind tries to find out if there is a way of living in which conflict totally ceases, and therefore action of total intelligence, and not within the field of the consciousness with its content. Am I making myself clear? Good. I hope I am. Takћe myseѕ hovorн, ћe to nestaин, иo je tu stбle ten burћoбzny ћivot, иi uћ je to v Amerike, v Инne alebo v Rusku. Takћe myseѕ sa pokъљa zistiќ, иi existuje takэ spфsob ћivota, v ktorom konflikt ъplne prestбva, a preto иinnosќ celkovej inteligencie, a nie v oblasti vedomia s jeho obsahom. Som zrozumiteѕnэ? Dobre. Dъfam, ћe som.
21:30 Then my question to myself is: how am I, how is the mind – which is so conditioned, which functions irrationally, and at rare occasions rationally – how is that mind to transform itself without conflict and have an energy that is totally different from the energy that is brought about through conflict. An energy that never deteriorates. An energy that renews itself all the time, without any motive? Now, having put that question to myself, I now want to find out how to empty, purgate, wash out this petty little mind with all its ambitions and crudities and cunningness and shoddiness, how is this possible? Are you putting this question to yourselves? In putting that question to oneself, who is going to answer it? Any teacher, any guru, any book? If they do, they are not the teachers. You know, most teachers unfortunately, gurus, have some kind of experience and they blow it up to the heavens. And they think that one experience resolves all our problems, it doesn't. Potom sa pэtam sбm seba: ako mбm, ako mб moja myseѕ - ktorб je tak podmienenб, ktorб funguje tak iracionбlne, a v zriedkavэch prнpadoch racionбlne - ako sa mб tбto myseѕ transformovaќ bez konfliktu a maќ energiu ktorб sa ъplne lнљi od energie ktorъ prinбљa konflikt? Energiu, ktorб sa nikdy nezhorљн, energiu, ktorб sa stбle obnovuje, bez akйhokoѕvek motнvu? Teraz, keп som si poloћil tъto otбzku, teraz chcem zistiќ ako vyprбzdniќ, oиistiќ, vyplaviќ tъto malъ bezvэnamnъ myseѕ so vљetkэmi jej ambнciami a krutosќou, a prefнkanosќou a mrzutosќou. Ako sa to dб? Pэtate sa to sami seba? Keп sa to pэtate sami seba, kto odpovedб? Nejakэ uиiteѕ, nejakэ guru, nejakб kniha? Ak tak urobia, nie sъ to uиitelia. Viete, ћiaѕ vдиљina uиiteѕov, guruov, mб nejakъ skъsenosќ a tъ chvбli do neba. A myslia si, ћe jedna skъsenosќ vyrieљi vљetky naљe problйmy. Nevyieљi!
24:27 So there is nobody to answer this question, the question being there must be a total revolution in oneself not the revolution of blood and bomb and destruction and killing people, killing people in order to have peace, killing people in order to bring about a new society – that is all too immature, too childish, too brutal, too meaningless. But the mind and the heart must go a radical revolution. And that revolution cannot be brought about by will, because will means friction. It cannot be brought about by a new series of ideologies, invented by – it doesn't matter who it is because that still implies within the field of the known. So as nobody can answer this, what is the mind to do? You are following this? What are you to do? First of all, in asking this question, I see this whole movement, within the field of consciousness is the movement of thought. Thought, which is the response of memory, which is knowledge, the known, whether that thought is conscious or hidden. It is this whole movement of thought that limits consciousness, because thought is the response of the known, There is no question of that. If you did not know your name, your house, where you are going, where you live, what your job is, you would be in a state of amnesia. And thought is the response of the known – knowledge, experience, memory. Takћe neexistuje nikto, kto by odpovedal na tъto otбzku. Otбzkou je: musн nastaќ totбlna revolъcia v sebe samom, nie revolъcia krvi a bфmb a niиenie a zabнjanie ѕudн, zabнjanie ѕudн aby bol mier, zabнjanie ѕudн, aby vznikla novб spoloиnosќ, - to je prнliљ nezrelй, prнliљ detskй, prнliљ brutбlnй, prнliљ bezvэznamnй. Ale myseѕ a srdce musia prejsќ radikбlnou revolъciou. A tбto revolъcia nemфћe byќ vyvolanб vфѕou, pretoћe vфѕa znamenб konflikt. To sa nedб dosiahnuќ novэm radom ideolуgiн, vynбjdenэch - nezбleћн na tom, kэm, pretoћe to stбle znamenб v oblasti poznanйho. Takћe, keп nikto na to nepoznб odpoveп, иo mб myseѕ robiќ? Sledujete to? Иo mбte robiќ? Predovљetkэm, keп sa pэtate tъto otбzku, vidнm celэ pohyb, vnъtri oblasti vedomia, je to pohyb mysle. Myseѕ, ktorб je odpoveпou pamдte, иo je poznanie, to poznanй, иi uћ tбto myљlienka je vedomб alebo skrytб. Je to celэ tento pohyb mysle ktorб obmedzuje vedomie, pretoћe myseѕ je odpoveп na poznanй. To nie je tб otбzka. Ak by ste nepoznali vaљe meno, vбљ dom, kde idete, kde ћijete, akй je vaљa prбca, boli by ste v stave amnйzie. A myseѕ je odpoveпou na poznanй - vedomosti, skъsenosti, pamдќ.
27:41 So the next question is: can thought, which has created the most marvellous thing in the world, and also thought which has brought about such devastating havoc in the world: wars, the utter lack of relationship with another, thought that has destroyed in the name of Christianity – probably Christians have killed more people than anybody else in the world. Have you ever thought about it? Probably you daren't. So thought is consciousness, and any action by thought, however subtle, however lovely, however free it may consider itself, is still within the pattern of the old. So the next question is: can that thought function in one field, logically, sanely and rationally, and in the other field, completely silent? You understand my question? That is, can thought stop? Which is, can thought, as time, as movement, within the field of the known, can that stop, and only come into action when the known has to function? Are we meeting each other? Can we go on? Can I go on? Takћe пalљou otбzkou je: Mфћe myseѕ, ktorб vytvorila tie najkrajљie veci na svete, a tieћ myseѕ ktorб vniesla niиivэ zmдtok do sveta: vojny, ъplnэ nedostatok vzќahu k inэm, myseѕ, ktorб v mene kresќanstva niиila - kresќania pravdepodobne zabili viac ѕudн ako ktokoѕvek inэ na svete. Premэљѕali ste niekedy o tom? Pravdepodobne ste si netrъfli. Takћe myseѕ je vedomie, a akйkoѕvek kroky mysle, akokoѕvek jemnб, milб, za akokoѕvek slobodnъ sa povaћuje, funguje stбle v rбmci starйho modelu. Takћe пalљia otбzka je: Mфћe myseѕ ktorб funguje v jednom poli, logicky, rozumne a racionбlne, byќ v druhej oblasti, ъplne tichб? Chбpete moju otбzku? To znamenб, mфћe myseѕ prestaќ? Иo znamenб: Mфћe myseѕ, ako иas, ako pohyb, v oblasti znбmeho, mфћe zastaviќ, a vstъpiќ do иinnosti len vtedy keп mб fungovaќ? Rozumieme si? Mфћeme pokraиovaќ? Mфћem pokraиovaќ?
29:56 A: Yes. A: Бno.
30:01 K: That is, when knowledge has to operate, it operates without the 'me'. The me who is aggressive, competitive, fearful, wanting power, position, pleasure and all that. Only when knowledge is demanded in action, it acts completely, without the division which is brought about by thought as the me. So my question is then, can thought stop? So that there is a different quality of energy altogether? Because thought has brought about a great deal of energy and a great deal of mischief. And I see thought cannot bring about a radical revolution within the mind and within the heart. So, can thought come to an end but operate when it is necessary? Have you understood my question? Now, we are going to find out, we are going to go into this question carefully, with real, earnest enquiry. Because you see, when thought comes to an end something new takes place. K: To znamenб, ћe keп vedomosti musia fungovaќ, myseѕ funguje bez "JA". To JA, ktorй je agresнvne, sъќaћivй, bojн sa, chce moc, pozнciu, radosќ a to vљetko. Len vtedy, keп sъ vedomosti potrebnй v иinnosti, pфsobн ъplne, bez rozdelenia, иo myseѕ prinбљa ako JA. Takћe moja otбzka je: Mфћe myseѕ prestaќ, takћe je tam ъplne inб kvalita energie? Pretoћe myseѕ priniesla veѕa energie a veѕa nepochopenia. A vidнm, ћe nie je moћnй aby priniesla radikбlnu revolъciu v mysli a v srdci. Takћe vie myseѕ prestaќ a fungovaќ vtedy, keп je to potrebnй? Pochopili ste moju otбzku? Teraz ideme zistiќ, pozrieme sa na tъto otбzku dфkladne, so skutoиnэm, seriуznym nбhѕadom. Pretoћe uvidнte, ћe keп myslenie prestane, prнde nieиo novй.
32:06 And this is what people, those people who talk about meditation have tried. There are those Zen groups, there are those transcendental – what are they – meditators, there are those who join various groups of meditation, all trying to bring about a cessation of thought so that a new quality of energy can come into being – the name doesn't matter. To me, to the speaker – because I have watched all this, the speaker has watched all this for many years, gone into it – to the speaker all these are rather immature, childish and ultimately meaningless. I'll show you why – because you have to understand this, because you are surrounded by all these things. First of all, one observes, if you have gone into this sufficiently, into yourself, not according to anybody, you will find that thought must stop sometime, so that you can see things differently, you can feel differently. That is absolutely so. If you are chattering all the time, as you are, comparing, judging, opinions, you know, endless chatter, chatter, chatter, obviously there is no space for something new to take place. Only when the mind is still, quiet, completely motionless, then perhaps there is something new taking place. Not new in terms of the old, not in terms of the known – something totally different. A to je to, иo ѕudia, tн ѕudia иo rozprбvajъ o meditбcii, vyskъљali. To sъ tie Zenovй skupiny, to sъ tн transcendentбlni - иo sъ oni? - meditujъci, sъ to tн, ktorн vstupujъ do rфznych meditaиnэch skupнn, vљetci sa pokъљajъ o to, aby myslenie prestalo, tak aby mohla zaиaќ ъиinkovaќ novб kvalita energie, - to je jedno ako sa to volб. Pre mтa, reиnнka, - pretoћe to vљetko pozorujem, reиnнk to vљetko pozoruje mnoho rokov, do hеbky - pre reиnнka je vљetko toto dosќ nezrelй, detinskй, a ъplne bezvэznamnй. Ukбћem vбm preиo - pretoћe to musнte pochopiќ, pretoћe ste obklopenн vљetkэmi tэmito vecami. Predovљetkэm, иlovek si vљimne, ak sa na to dobre pozriete, na seba, nie podѕa niekoho, zisнte ћe myseѕ musн niekedy prestaќ, takћe vidнte veci inak. Cнtite inak. Presne tak je to. Ak v kuse rozprбvate, иo aj rozprбvate, porovnбvate, hodnotнte, mбte nбzory, viete, nekoneиnй kecy, kecy, kecy, oиividne tam nie je miesto nato, aby sa tam udialo nieиo novй. Iba vtedy, keп je myseѕ nehybnб, kѕudnб, ъplne nehybnб, potom je tu moћno nieиo novй. Nie je to novй, pokiaѕ ide o starй, nie z hѕadiska znбmeho, - nieиo ъplne inй.
35:04 So, let's examine the various groups, various systems of meditation to still the mind. First of all, there is the transcendental meditation. God, I don't know why you get involved in all this. You are the most gullible people in the world. Please. You have no reference, you have no background, you have no education about all this. Somebody comes along, promises you, do this, and you swallow the whole thing. So let's look at it. You know, the idea of this transcendental meditation is that you repeat a certain mantra. You know all about this, don't you? Need I go into this question of mantra? Oh no, don't waste time, you can invent your own mantra. Some guru has come from India to tell you his sacred mantra. You can invent it for yourself, repeat certain phrases – Ave Maria or God knows what else, and you have your mantra. Now, please listen. Listen – once you see the truth of it, you will never touch it. Because when you see the false you see the truth. And it is that truth that will free the mind from the false. You can repeat a mantra, a word, over and over again, verbally, loudly, moving your lips. Then you repeat those words silently. And after repeating silently for some time you float off, you jump over, you spring off from that. That is, spring off into something that you don't know, something that you hope to find. But before you repeat these words, mantras, whatever they do, your life is disorderly, your life is disturbed, confused, irrational, illogical, insane, and you hope to bring rationality, sanity into your life by repeating these mantras, these words. So you become less angry, a little more cheerful, perhaps not so aggressive, and so on – still very superficial. We are talking about a life that is totally, radically different, a new race of mind and heart. And so that type of meditation – which is really not meditation at all, it is a form of self-deception. And I have discussed this matter in India with some of those people who have gone into this very thoroughly, and they say, you are quite right, sir, but not for us. You are right, what you say is truth, what you are saying is the highest form, but not for us. They don't say why because they have their investment, their disciples, their property, their following – you follow? So they say, keep it to yourself, not for us. Takћe, pozrime sa na niektorй skupiny. rфzne systйmy meditбciн na zastavenie mysle. Po prvй tu je transcendentбlna meditбcia. Boћe, nechбpem, иo na tom vidнte? Ste tн najnaivnejљн ѕudia na svete! Prosнm. Nemбte ћiadny dфkaz, nemбte ћiadne podklady, nemбte ћiadny vэcvik. Niekto prнde, sѕubuje vбm, robн to, a vy mu to zhltnete aj s navijбkom. Takћe sa na to pozrime! Viete, celб tб myљlienka o tejto transcendentбlnej meditбcii je to, ћe opakujete urиitъ mantru. Poznбte to celй, vљak? Chcete aby som hovoril o tejto mantre? Och nie, nestrбcajme иas. Mфћete si vymyslieќ vlastnъ mantru. Nejakэ guru prнde z Indie aby vбm povedal svoju svдtъ mantru. To si mфћete vymyslieќ aj vy. Budete si opakovaќ urиitй frбzy. - Ave Maria alebo Boh vie иo?!, a mбte svoju mantru! Teraz prosнm poиъvajte! Poиъvajte - raz keп uvidнte pravdu, uћ to nikdy nebudete robiќ. Pretoћe keп vidнte faloљ, vidнte aj pravdu. A je to tб pravda, ktorб oslobodн myseѕ od faloљnйho. Mфћete opakovaќ mantru, slovo, znova a znova, verbбlne, hlasno, pohybujъc perami. Potom ich opakujete potichu. A po tichom opakovanн na nejakэ иas sa vznesiete, vyskoинte, vyjdete z toho. To znamenб, vyskoинte z toho do nieиoho иo nepoznбte, do nieиoho, o иom dъfate, ћe to nбjdete. Ale predtэm neћ opakujete tieto slovб, mantry, nech uћ slъћia na hociиo, vбљ ћivot je neprнjemnэ, vбљ ћivot je naruљenэ, zmдtenэ, iracionбlny, nelogickэ, љialenэ, a dъfate, ћe do vбљho ћivota vnesiete racionбlnosќ, zdravэ rozum tэm, ћe budete opakovaќ mantry, tieto slovб. Takћe budete menej nahnevanн, troљku veselљн, moћno nie tak agresнvni, a tak пalej - stбle je to veѕmi povrchnй. Hovorнme o ћivote, ktorэ je ъplne, radikбlne inэ, novб rasa mysle a sdrca. A tak ten typ meditбcie - ktorэ vфbec nie je meditбciou, je formou sebaklamu. Hovoril som o tejto veci s niektorэmi z tэchto ѕudн v Indii ktorн sa tнm zaoberajъ dopodrobna, a oni hovoria: Mбte pravdu pane, ale nie pre nбs. Mбte pravdu, to иo hovorнte je pravda, to иo hovorнte je najvyљљia forma, ale nie pre nбs. Nehovoria preиo, lebo majъ svoje investнcie, svojich uиenнkov, ich majetok, ich nasledovnнkov - sledujete? Takћe hovoria: Nechajte si to pre seba, nie pre nбs!
40:10 Then there are other forms of meditation, all wanting to still the mind, to make the mind completely quiet, so they offer systems, methods. If you have tried one method, all other methods are the same. The method is: daily practice. Either you sit down cross-legged, again, I don't know why you have to sit cross-legged, you can do this kind of meditation in bed or lying down in the sun, under a tree. But you see, when you sit cross-legged, according to your guru, it is more romantic, it is more conducive, and also when you sit straight, the basis of this is – if you sit straight, blood goes to your head more easily, that is all. So you sit straight and you practise. The more you practise, the more mechanical you become. The practise will produce what you desire. What you desire is the highest form of pleasure, whether it is enlightenment, whether it is God, whether it is your super-sexual demands, or whatever it is, it is still a mechanical pursuit and therefore still within the field of the known, though you hope through the known to jump off. Because you have never understood what the known is. How can you jump off something if you have not laid the foundation rightly? If your life is not righteous, orderly, sane, where is the foundation? So those people who want to meditate, much better not to meditate. That is only an escape. But whereas if you gave your attention to bring about order in your life, not according to some psychologist but in the light of your own understanding, in the light of your own enquiry, understanding yourself. And out of that order comes the real action from which you can move, from which you can go very far. Potom sъ tu inй formy meditбcie, ktorй vљetky chcъ zastaviќ myseѕ, chcъ ъplne znehybniќ myseѕ, a tak ponъkajъ systйmy, metуdy. Ak ste vyskъљali jednu metуdu, vљetky inй metуdy sъ rovnakй. Tб metуda je: kaћdodennй cviиenie. Buп sedнte s prekrнћenэmi nohami, znova, neviem preиo mбte sedieќ s prekrнћenэmi nohami? Toto cviиenie mфћete robiќ aj v posteli, alebo poleћiaиky na slnku, pod stromom. Ale vidнte, keп sedнte s prekrнћenэmi nohami, podѕa vбљho guru, je to romantickejљie, je to priaznivejљie, a tieћ ak sedнte vzpriamenн, zбklad toho je - ak sedнte vzpriamenн, krv prъdi do hlavy ѕahљie. To je vљetko! Takћe sedнte vzpriamene a cviинte. Инm viac praktizujete, tэm viac sa stбvate mechanickэm. Tбto prax bude produkovaќ иo si prajete. Иo chcete je najvyљљia forma poteљenia, иi uћ je to osvietenie, иi uћ je to Boh, иi uћ sъ to vaљe super-sexuбlne potreby, alebo иokoѕvek to je, je to stбle mechanickй nasledovanie a preto stбle v oblasti znбmeho, aj keп dъfate, ћe sa cez toto znбme dostanete von, pretoћe ste nikdy nepochopili, иo je to, to znбme. Ako mфћe z nieиoho vystъpiќ ak ste sprбvne nepoloћili zбklady? Ak vбљ ћivot nie je spravodlivэ, poriadny, rozumnэ, kde sъ zбklady? Takћe tн ѕudia иo chcъ meditovaќ, by radљej nemali meditovaќ. Je to len ъnik. Ale иi uћ dбvate pozornosќ tomu, aby ste uviedli vбљ ћivot do poriadku, nie podѕa nejakйho psycholуga, ale vo svetle svojho vlastnйho pochopenia, vo svetle vlastnйho skъmania, pochopenia seba. A z toho poriadku prichбdza skutoиnй konanie, z ktorйho sa viete pohnъќ, z ktorйho sa viete dostaќ пaleko.
43:55 So, any form of discipline, any form of contrivance by thought, which is what the systems do, contriving to force you to behave so that, not only in this world but have a mind that is quiet, it is a contrivance by thought and therefore limited. And there are those meditations who train you to be attentive. Beginning from your toe – you understand? – paying attention to your toe and gradually working up, it is all so infantile. It doesn't matter who practises it, whether the ancient monks in Zen monasteries practise it, or you practise it in your quiet room, or a noisy room or in a room filled with smog. Because attention means attention to what you are doing in daily life, attention to the way you talk, the way you walk, the way you think, to be attentive to that. And you cannot be attentive if you are controlling. So you begin to see that control has no place in meditation. Takћe hocijakб forma disciplнny, akбkoѕvek forma pasce mysѕou, иo je to иo systйmy robia, snaћiќ sa vбs nъtiќ sprбvaќ sa tak, nielen v tomto svete, ale maќ myseѕ ktorб je pokojnб, je to pasca mysle, a preto je to obmedzenй. A sъ tu tie meditбcie ktorн vбs uиia byќ pozornн. Zaинnajъc od palca na nohe - rozumiete? - Venujete pozornosќ svojej љpiиke a postupne idete hore. To je tak infantilnй! Nezбleћн na tom kto to praktizuje, иi ju praktizujъ starн mnнsi v Zenovэch klбљtoroch , alebo to precviиujete vo vaљej tichej izbe, alebo hluиnej miestnosti alebo v miestnosti naplnenej smogom. Pretoћe pozornosќ znamenб pozornosќ tomu, иo robнte v kaћdodennom ћivote, pozornosќ spфsobu ako hovorнte, ako chodнte, иo si myslнte, dбvaќ pozor tomuto. A vy nemфћete byќ pozornн, ak sa kontrolujete. Takћe zaиnete vidieќ ћe tб kontrola nemб v meditбcii miesto.
45:52 Then you ask: how am I to control thought? Controlling thought is not the ending of thought. Who is the controller? – do please listen to all this – who is the controller? Another part of the mind. Another segment of thought, which says, I must control in order to behave, in order to achieve, in order to be enlightened. Good Lord. So when you control, in that there is contradiction, there is conflict, there is suppression, and all the neurotic habits that those who are controlling have, and that those who do not control also have. So, thought cannot be stopped by control. Thought cannot be brought to an end by will. Will is another part of desire. It is desire that says, I want to control in order to achieve heaven, God, truth. Sirs, you cannot achieve it, you cannot invite it. Your house must be in order, that is all your concern. So, thought can only come to an end naturally, easily, without conflict. And it comes to an end when you see the urgency of it, when you see the importance of it. When you see the importance of it, when you see for yourself what thought has done: the mischief, the divisions, the technological advancement, which is used by thought to destroy people, to corrupt people, when you yourself see the fact and the effect of thought, that very perception is the ending of thought. Which means that awareness is not something to be practiced. To be aware, that is, to be aware of the birds, the sea, the movement of the water, to be aware of the things outwardly, the terrible confusion which the politicians are creating in the world, to see what the priests have done, what religions have done. To be aware of your environment, how you are destroying it, polluting the air. And to be aware of yourself in relation to another, in relation to your nature, to be just aware, not trying to correct it, to shape it. Then out of that awareness comes attention, total attention. In that attention thought comes to an end. I'll show it to you. Potom sa pэtate: Ako mбm kontrolovaќ myseѕ? Kontrola mysle nie je ukonиenie myslenia. Kto je ten, иo kontroluje? Poиъvajte toto vљetko: Kto je kontrolуr? Inб иasќ mysle. Пalљa иasќ mysle ktorб hovorн: Musнm sa kontrolovaќ aby som sa sluљne sprбval, aby som dosiahol, aby som bol osvietenэ. Pre Boha! Takћe keп sa ovlбdate, je v tom rozpor, je tam konflikt, je tam potlaиenie, a vљetky tie neurotickй nбvyky ktorн tн, иo sa kontrolujъ, majъ, a tн ktorн sa nekontrolujъ, ich majъ tieћ. Takћe, myslenie sa ovlбdanнm zastaviќ nedб. Myslenie sa nedб ukonиiќ vфѕou. Vфѕa je пalљou sъиasќou tъћby. Je to tъћba, ktorб hovorн: Chcem sa ovlбdaќ aby som dosiahol ъspech, nebesia, Boha, pravdu. Pбni, neviete do dosiahnuќ, neviete si to pritiahnuќ. Vбљ dom musн byќ v poriadku, to je vaљa jedinб starosќ. Takћe myslenie vie prestaќ len vtedy, prirozene, ѕahko, bez konfliktu. A prestбva vtedy, keп vidнte akй je to naliehavй, keп vidнte akй je to dфleћitй. Keп vidнљ tъ dфleћitosќ, keп vidнte vy sami, иo myslenie spфsobilo: zlo, rozdelenie, technologickэ pokrok, ktorэ myseѕ vypouћнva na to aby niиili ѕudн, aby skorumpovala ѕudн, keп sami uvidнte tъto skutoиnosќ a nбsledok myslenia, to istй vnнmanie je koniec myslenia. To znamenб, ћe vedomie sa nedб vycviиiќ. Uvedomovaќ si, to znamenб, uvedomovaќ si vtбkov, more, pohyb vody, uvedomovaќ si veci navonok, straљnэ zmдtok, ktorэ politici tvoria vo svete, aby ste videli, иo spфsobil kтaz, иo spфsobili nбboћenstvб. Aby ste ste si uvedomovali ћivotnй prostredie a ako ho niинte, zneиisќujete vzduch. A aby ste si uvedomovali vzќah k druhйmu, vo vzќahu k vaљej povahe, uvedomovaќ si, nepokъљajte sa ho opraviќ, tvarovaќ. Potom z toho vedomia vzнde pozornosќ, celkovб pozornosќ. V tejto pozornosti myslenie konин. Ukбћem vбm to.
50:27 Are you listening to what is being said? Wait just a minute, sir, don't say yes. I don't think so. Are you completely, totally, with your mind, with your body, with your nerves, with your heart and mind, listening to what is being said? When you are listening so intently is there any movement of thought? At the moment, at the act of listening, seeing, thought is quiet. A second later it comes into being. Then your question is: how am I to maintain or continue that second of quietness? that is a wrong question to put, because you can never sustain that moment of attention. If you want to sustain it, it is another form of greed. But if you understand, if you listen now completely, there is no consciousness with it is content as the me which is trying to listen, there is only the act of listening without any interpretation, just to listen. That is ending of thought. Which means we are never attentive. We talk about it, we go to school to learn, or go to Japan or India or God knows what else, to learn to be attentive, which means you are never learning. You are 'going to learn' is different from learning. The act of learning is always in the present. Poиъvate иo hovorнm? Poиkajte len minъtu, pane! Nehovorte бno? Nemyslнm ћe poиъvate! Ste celkom, ъplne, s vaљou mysѕou, s vaљim telom, s nervami, svojнm srdcom a mysѕou, poиъvajъc to, иo sa hovorн? Keп poиъvate tak pozorne, je tam nejakэ pohyb mysle? V tom momente, pri poиъvanн, pozeranн sa, je myseѕ pokojnб. O sekundu neskфr zaинna fungovaќ. Potom vysvstбva otбzka: ako mбm udrћaќ alebo pokraиovaќ v tom tichu? To je zle poloћenб otбzka, pretoћe nikdy nemфћete udrћaќ moment pozornosti. Ak si to chcete udrћaќ, je to inб forma chtниu. Ale ak rozumiete, ak poиъvate ъplne, nie ja tam ћiadne vedomie s obsahom ako JA, ktorй sa pokъљa poиъvaќ, je tam len akt poиъvania, bez akйhokoѕvek vэkladu, len poиъvanie. To je ukonиenie myslenia. Иo znamenб, ћe nikdy sme pozornн. Hovorнme o tom, chodнme do љkoly, aby sme sa to nauиili, alebo ideme do Japonska alebo do Indie, alebo Boh vie kde, aby sme sa nauиili byќ pozornн, иo znamenб, ћe sa nikdy neuинte. Chystбte sa uиiќ sa, ale to sa lнљi od uиenia sa. Akt uиenia sa deje vћdy v prнtomnosti.
53:12 So, meditation is the most extraordinary thing if you know what it is. But you don't know what it is. So don't listen to anybody, including the speaker, don't join any groups – I am not advising you, I am just, if you are interested in this – don't follow any system, any person who says, I know, they don't know. And a man who says, 'I know', he does not know. So you, in your own light of understanding will come upon this strange energy which is incorruptible. This energy is the highest form of intelligence. And that intelligence is not come by or through any form of effort, however subtle, however stupid, however cunning, it comes naturally when you see the energy that has been wasted in mischief. You know, we use music, literature, poem, and a sunset as a means to go off, as a means to something else. There is no means to reality. You are not silent because you want something new, then you are contriving, then you are cunning, then you become a merchant. Whereas if you really understood this thing, that is, a life in which you have brought about through understanding of yourself without effort, order out of disorder. Then when you have that foundation really well laid, then you will come upon this strange energy, and that transforms the whole mentation, the whole business of love. Takћe meditбcia je tб najmimoriadnejљia vec, ak viete, иo to je. Ale vy neviete иo to je, takћe nikoho nepoиъvate. Vrбtane reиnнka! Nepridбvajte sa k ћiadnym skupinбm! Nehovorнm vбm иo mбte robiќ, ja len, ak vбs to zaujнma - nenasledujte ћiadny systйm, nijakъ osobu ktorб hovorн: Ja viem! ....Nevie niи. A иlovek, ktorэ hovorн "JA viem", nevie. Takћe vy, do vбљho vlastnйho svetla pochopenia, prнde tбto zvlбљtna energia, ktorб nie je skorumpovateѕnб. Tбto energia je najvyљљia forma inteligencie. A tбto inteligencia sa nedб zнskaќ cez ћiadnu snahu. Akokoѕvek jemnб, akokoѕvek hlъpa, akokoѕvek prefнkanб, prichбdza to prirodzene keп vidнte ako bola tб energia zbytoиne premбrnenб. Viete, pouћнvame hudbu, literatъru, bбseт, a zбpad slnka ako spфsob ъniku, ako prostriedok na nieиo inй. Na realitu netreba ћiadne prostriedky. Nie ste potichu, pretoћe chcete nieиo novй, potom ste si vymэљѕate, potom ste prefнkanн, stбvate sa obchodnнkom. Zatiaѕиo, ak ste naozaj pochopili tъto vec, иo znamenб: ћivot do ktorйho ste vniesli cez pochopenie seba bez nбmahy, poriadok z neporiadku. Potom, keп ste poloћili takйto dobrй zбklady, potom sa dostanete k tejto zvlбљtnej energie, a to zmenн celъ duљevnъ иinnosќ, celъ vec lбsky.
56:29 Perhaps, if you are willing, we can ask questions about this, about what we have talked this morning. There are a lot of questions I can ask about it. And I hope you will, because we are sharing this thing together, therefore you are responsible. Sharing doesn't mean just accepting or denying. Sharing – therefore when you share something you are responsible for it. Yes, sir? Moћno, ak ste ochotnн, mфћeme si klбsќ otбzky, o иom sme hovorili dnes rбno. Je veѕa otбzok na ktorй mфћeme odpovedaќ, a ja dъfam ћe budem, pretoћe to zdieѕame spolu, a preto za to nesiete zodpovednosќ. Zdieѕanie neznamenб len akceptovanie alebo popieranie. Zdieѕanie - teda pri zdieѕanн za иo ste za to zodpovednн. Бno, pane?
57:22 Q: Sir, aren't you making a distinction when you speak of thoughts in action versus not using thoughts? Aren't you making a distinction between memory of facts, like your address, versus memory of patterns, especially patterns of relationship? O: Pane, nehovorнte o rozdiele, keп hovorнte o tom keп myslнte verzus keп nepouћнvate myљlienky? Nerobнte rozdiely medzi spomienkou na skutoиnosќ, ako je vaљa adresa, v porovnanн s pamдќou vzorov, najmд vzory vo vzќahoch?
57:46 K: Sir, that is fairly clear. The gentleman asks, aren't you making a difference, isn't there a difference between memory of facts, memory as knowledge, which is the understanding of facts, and the freedom from the fact and going beyond it. Is that the question, sir? K: Pane, to je dosќ jasnй. Ten gentleman sa pэta, nerobнte rozdiel, nie je tam rozdiel medzi spomienkou na skutoиnosќ, spomienkou ako poznanнm, иo je pochopenie faktov, a oslobodenie sa od tejto skutoиnosti a dostaќ sa za тu. Na toto sa pэtate, pane?
58:21 Q: The lack of thoughts that represent patterns of relationships. O: Nedostatok myљlienok, ktorй predstavujъ vzory vzќahov.
58:30 K: I am sorry, I can't hear. There is memory that represents fact and relationship. K: Prepбиte, nepoиujem. Existuje pamдќ, ktorб predstavuje skutoиnost a vzќahy?
58:51 A: Pattern. Patterns of relationship. A: Vzor. Vzory vzќahu.
58:59 K: Patterns of relationship. There is memory that represents patterns of relationship. Do you have patterns in relationship? This is something new which I have not heard before. Do you have patterns of relationship? You behave towards one person in one way, towards another, another way, and to your boss another way, to your wife another way, if you have a cook, another way – is that the pattern of behaviour? Your analyst in one way, to your doctor another way – is that it? Is that it? What a complicated life you must have. You must be changing your masks all the time, aren't you? When you go to the doctor you put on one mask, when you meet your wife put on a different mask, and your boss, and so on – changing, putting on masks. And you call that patterns of behaviour in relationship? Good Lord. So you have different facets of relationship. That means you are never yourself, whatever that be, there is always a pretension, a pose. And that inevitably breeds conflict. You are different to your wife, different to your boss, different to the priest if you have one, obviously you are totally different to your analyst, if you have one. So, you are always living in contradiction and therefore conflict. Now when you see that, when you are really aware of that, honestly, you know, not deceive yourself, when you are actually aware that you are pretending all the time, putting on different faces all the time, when you see the falseness of it then you see the truth that you must be yourself. Then you begin to enquire what is yourself. Is not yourself all these patterns? Are you following this? Is not yourself how you behave to the doctor, to the wife, to the child, and so on? That is yourself. So, you say: what is myself? To find that out there must be no pretention. Don't pretend to be one thing, say another, do another. Then you will find out what you are. You will find out what you are, which is, all these calculated pretensions. And when you go beyond all these pretensions, all these poses, all these imaginations, contriving remembrances, images, what are you at the end of it. Nothing at all, are you, aren't you? And we are frightened to be nothing. You say, well, if I am nothing, I'll be destroyed by society. Be destroyed by society. You won't be destroyed. K: Vzory vzќahu. Existuje pamдќ, ktorб predstavuje vzory vzќahov? Mбte vo vzќahu vzory? Toto je nieиo novй иo som predtэm nepoиul. Mбte vzory vo vzќahu? K nejakej osobe sa chovбte istэm spфsobom, smerom k inйmu, inэm spфsobom, a k svojmu љйfovi inэm spфsobom, k svojej ћene inэm spфsobom, ak mбte kuchбra, inэm spфsobom - je to ten vzor sprбvania? K vбљmu psycholуgovi jednэm spфsobom, k vбљmu lekбrovi inэm spфsobom. Je to ono? Je to ono? Akэ komplikovanэ musн byќ vбљ ћivot?! Musнte stбle meniќ svoje masky, ћe? Keп idete k lekбrovi dбte si jednu masku, keп stretnete svoju ћenu dбte si inъ masku, a vбљho љйfa a tak пalej - menenie, nasadzovanie masiek. A vy tomu tomuto hovorнte vzory sprбvania sa vo vzќahoch? Dobrэ Boћe! Takћe mбte rфzne aspekty vzќahov. Znamenб to, ћe nikdy nie ste sбm sebou. Nech uћ to je hociиo, je tam vћdy predstieranie, pуza. A to nevyhnutne prinбљa konflikt. Inak sa sprбvate k manћelke, inak k љйfovi, inak ku kтazovi ak nejakйho mбte, samozrejme, ћe sa inak sprбvate k vбљmu psycholуgovi, ak ho mбte. Takћe vћdy ћijate v rozpore a preto v konflikte. Teraz, keп to vidнte, keп si to naozaj uvedomujete, иestne, viete, keп sa neklamete, keп si skutoиne uvedomujete ћe po celэ иas predstierate, po celэ иas si nasadzujete masky, keп vidнte tъ faloљ, potom vidнte pravdu - ћe musнte byќ sami sebou. Potom sa zaиnete pэtaќ иo je to to JA?! Nie je JA vљetky tieto vzorce? Sledujete to? To nie ste vy, ako sa sprбvate k doktorovi, k manћelke, k dieќaќu, atп. To je vaљe JA. Takћe hovorнte: иo je to JA? Ak to chcete zistiќ nesmie existovaќ ћiadne nymэљѕanie si. Nepredstierajte, ћe ste jedna vec, a hovorнte jedno a robнte inй. Potom zistнte иo ste. Zistнte иo ste, иo znamenб, ћe ste vљetko toto predstieranie. A keп sa dostanete za toto predstieranie, vљetky tieto pуzy, vљetky tieto predstavy, prinбљanie spomienok, predstбv, иo ste na konci toho? Niи, vфbec niи, ћe? A my sa bojнme byќ niинm. Hovoнte: V poriadku. Ak som niи, spoloиnosќ ma zniин. Byќ zniиenэ spoloиnosќou. Nebudete zniиenн.
1:03:28 You see, sir, when you are really nothing, which means thought, which has put together the me, is no longer there. Then there is a totally different kind of energy, which is much more real than the imaginary me which has been put together by thought. Yes, sir? Vidнte pane, keп ste naozaj niинm, znamenб to, ћe myseѕ ktorб poskladala dokopy JA, uћ tam nie je. Je tam ъplne inб energia, ktorб je oveѕa skutoиnejљia neћ vymyslenй JA, ktorй dala dokopy myseѕ... Бno, pane?
1:04:10 Q: Since time started, how did this idea of thought ever come about? O: Odkedy vznikol иas, ako vфbec vznikla tбto myљlienka?
1:04:18 K: How did the me come about? K: Ako vzniklo JA?
1:04:20 Q: Yes. Originally, It seems like there was at one time there had not to be a me, since there was, I believe, a beginning to man, then it had to come about somehow, the thought and the me. How did it ever start? O: Бno. Pфvodne... Zdб sa, ћe raz tu nebolo JA. Odkedy bolo, verнm, pri zaиiatku иloveka, ћe nejako muselo vzniknъќ, myseѕ a JA. Ako sa to zaиalo?
1:04:39 K: How did this culture, how did the me, how did the mischief ever start? Is that the question, sir?

Q: Yes.
K: Ako tбto kultъra, ako toto JA, ako tбto љarapata vфbec vznikla? Toto je otбzka? O: Бno.
1:04:48 K: All right, let's look into it, how did it start. How do you think it started? You know, they are investigating the higher apes. Some people have lived with them in Africa, written books, and they almost behave like human beings, contriving, inventing, jealous, frightened, aggressive. It started there, probably, because collectively they have to protect themselves. You can see all this phenomena, you don't have to ask me or anybody, you can see it for yourself. You can see how in the child the me begins. The other child has a bigger toy and your own child has a smaller one, so they fight. Haven’t you noticed all these silly things? So there it is. What is important is not how it began but how to end all this mischief. Whether it can ever be ended collectively, or is it to be ended by an individual, as a human being? And what relationship has that human being who has freed himself from the mischief, what is his relationship to the others? What is the relationship of a man who is really kind, good, not in terms of good and bad, but really completely good, what relationship has he with another who is mischievous, ugly? What is the relationship? Have you ever gone into it? You who love, if you really love, what is your relationship to a man who is mischievous, brutal, vicious? And in that relationship, if you have a relationship, you want to change that brutality. And so do you become brutal? Or because you are good, completely good, and flowering in that goodness, the miracle happens that the other is affected. That is all one can do. Any more? Yes, sir? K: Dobre, pozrime sa na to, ako to zaиalo. Ako si myslнte, ћe to zaиalo? Viete, skъmajъ sa vyvinutejљie ѕudoopy. Niektorн ѕudia s nimi ћili v Afrike, napнsali knihy, a oni sa sprбvajъ takmer ako ѕudskй bytosti. Vynachбdzajъ, vymэљѕajъ, ћiarlia, boja sa, sъ agresнvni. Pravdepodobne to zaиalo tam, pretoћe kolektнvne sa musia chrбniќ. Mфћete vidieќ vљetky tieto javy, nemusнte sa ma na to alebo niekto pэtaќ. Mфћete to vidieќ sami. Mфћete vidieќ, ako v dieќati zaинna JA. Inй dieќa mб vдиљiu hraиku, a vaљe dieќa mб menљiu, tak sa bijъ. Nevљimli ste si tieto hlъpe veci? Takћe tak to je. Nie je dфleћitй, ako to zaиalo, ale ako tento zmдtok ukonиiќ. Иi to mфћe byќ ukonиenй kolektнvne, alebo sa to dб ukonиiќ jednotlivcom, ako ѕudskou bytosќou? A akй vzќahy mб tбto ѕudskб bytosќ ktorб sa oslobodila z tohto zmдtku... Akэ ma vzќah k druhэm? Akй vzќahy mб иlovek, ktorэ je skutoиne lбskavэ, dobrэ, nie z hѕadiska dobrйho a zlйho, ale naozaj ъplne dobrйho, akэ mб vzќah s inэm, ktorэ je zlэ, љkaredэ? Иo je to vzќah? Zaoberali ste sa tэm niekedy? Vy, ktorн milujete, ak naozaj milujete, akэ je vбљ vzќah k muћovi ktorэ je zlomyseѕnэ, brutбlny, zlэ? A v tom vzќahu, ak mбte vzќah, chcete tъ brutalitu zmeniќ. A staneљ sa teda brutбlnym? Alebo preto, ћe ste dobrн, ъplne dobrн, a prekvitбte v tom dobre, stane sa zбzrak a ovplyvnнte aj toho druhйho? To je vљetko, иo mфћete urobiќ... Eљte nieиo? Бno, pane?
1:07:52 Q: Speaking of the mass, does man have a single homogenous personality or is he made up of many facets and faces which comprise the totality? Does man have a single homogenous personality? O: Keп uћ hovorнme o hmote, mб иlovek jedinъ homogйnnu osobnosќ alebo je zloћenэ z mnohэch aspektov a tvбrн, ktorй tvoria celok? Mб иlovek jednotnъ homogйnnu osobnosќ?
1:08:09 K: Does man have a homogenous personality. Of whom are you asking this? Me? Have you got a homogenous personality? Have you, sirs? No answer. Naturally, because you are not a whole, complete, homogenous. Why? Because in you there is violence and peace. In you there is the good and the bad – I am using the ordinary words – the irrational activity and rational activity, there is fear, there is hope, despair, guilt – you are made up of many fragments. And out of these fragments, or collecting these fragments together you hope to bring about a homogeneity. It is not possible. To be completely whole implies a mind that is not divided in it iself. Right, sir. K: Mб иlovek homogйnnu osobnosќ. Koho sa to pэtate? Mтa? Mбte homogйnnu osobnosќ? Mбte, pбni? Ћiadna odpoveп. Prirodzene, pretoћe nie ste celistvн, ъplnн, homogйnni. Preиo? Pretoћe je vo vбs aj nбsilie aj mier. Je vo vбs dobro aj zlo. Pouћнvam tieto obyиajnй slovб - iracionбlna aktivita, a racionбlna aktivita, je tam strach, je tam nбdej, zъfalstvo, vina, ste zloћenн z tэchto fragmentov. A z tэchto fragmentov, alebo spojenнm tэchto fragmentov dokopy, dъfate ћe poskladбte homogenitu. Nie je to moћnй! Aby ste boli celistvн, to si vyћaduje to myseѕ, ktorб sama nie je rozdelenб. Ћe, pane?
1:09:42 Q: Are there any judgments which do not do violence to the truth? O: Existujъ nejakй ъsudky, ktorй neznesvдcujъ pravdu?
1:09:49 K: Are there any judgments which do not do violence to truth, is that the question, sir?

Q: That is the question.
K: Existujъ nejakй ъsudky, ktorй neznesvдcujъ pravdu? Tak znie otбzka? O: To je otбzka.
1:10:01 K: Are there any judgments which do not violate truth. What is judgment? You know, I used to know a man who was one of the highest judges in India. One day he said, I am passing judgment over people every day of my life, since I have come to this position. And what is judgment, which I am passing on others? So the more he thought about it, the more he was convinced that he must give up his judgeship and his prominence and his way of life and retire into the woods to find out what is judgment. And he did retire, withdrew from the family, from the office, from the position, to find out what is truth and what is judgment. Are any of you willing to do that? Are any of you willing to withdraw, to find out what is truth and what is judgment? I am afraid you are not. You just want verbally to find out, don't you? You want to find out verbally what is truth and what is judgment, and what is the relationship between judgment and truth. Why do you judge at all? Why do you say somebody is silly, somebody is this or somebody is that, how noble, how crooked – why? What is the measure you have? And you say: aren't you measuring when you say all the gurus are infantile? Am I? Am I judging? Or merely observing the fact without any prejudice, without any emotion behind it. K: Existujъ nejakй ъsudky, ktorй neznesvдcujъ pravdu? Иo je to ъsudok? Viete, poznal som muћa, ktorэ bol jeden z najvyљљнch sudcov v Indii. Jednйho dтa povedal: Sъdim ѕudн kaћdэ deт mфjho ћivota, odkedy som na tejto pozнcii. A ako sъdim ѕudн? Takћe инm viacej na to myslel, tэm viacej bol presvedиenэ, ћe sa musн vzdaќ sudcovstva a svojho postavenia, a spфsobu ћivota, a odнsќ do lesa a zistiќ, иo je to rozsudok. A odiљiel do dфchodku, odiљiel od rodiny, z ъradu, z pozнcie, zistiќ, иo je pravda a иo je to sъd. Je niekto z vбs ochotnэ to spraviќ? Sъ niektorн z vбs ochotnн odstъpiќ, zistiќ, иo to je pravda a иo je to sъd? Obбvam sa, ћe nie ste. Chcete to zistiќ len ъstne, ћe? Chcete to zistiќ verbбlne, иo je to pravda, иo je to sъdiќ, a akэ je vzќah medzi sъdenнm a pravdou. Preиo vфbec posudzujete? Preиo hovorнte ћe je niekto hlъpy, niekto je takэ, niekto hentakэ, akэ je nуbl, akэ skazenэ - preиo? Akэm merнtkom? A hovorнte: A vy neposudzujete keп hovorнte ћe vљetci guruovia sъ infantilnн? Ћe? Posudzujem? Alebo iba pozorujem fakt bez hociakйho predsudku, bez emуcie?
1:12:35 Just to observe that the ant has four legs is not a judgment, that the elephant has a trunk is not a judgment, it is an observation of a fact. When there is the observation of a fact without any emotion, any prejudice, any judgment according to a conclusion, then that judgment is merely an observation of the fact, and therefore it is truth. The fact is always the truth. The fact that one is lying, one is frightened, that is the truth. But to say that I must not be frightened, that is judgment. And when you say I must not be frightened, in that there is conflict. And therefore from that you develop courage, which is another form of resistance to fear. So when you state a fact, which anybody can observe, if they are willing to observe, then in that stating of the fact there is no judgment, but only the observation of the fact is the truth. Keп pozorujem ћe mб mravec љtyri nohy to nie je posudzovanie, ћe mб slo chobot to nie je posudzovanie. To pozorovanie faktu. Keп je tam pozorovanie faktu bez emуcie, bez predsudku, bez akйkoѕvek posudzovania, podѕa zбveru, potom ten to posudzovania len pozorovanнm skutoиnosti, tak je to pravda. Fakt je vћdy pravdou. Fakt, ћe niekto klame, ћe je vyplaљenэ, to je tб pravda. Ale povedaќ: Nesmiem sa bбќ! - to je posudzovanie. A keп poviete: Nesmiem sa bбќ! - je v tom konflikt. A preto z toho vznikne odvaha, иo je inб forma odporu voиi strachu. Takћe keп poviete fakt, ktorэ mфћe hocikto vidieќ, ak sъ ochotnн ho vidieќ, potom v tom pozorovanн faktu nie je ћiadne posudzovanie, ale iba pozorovanie skutoиnosti je pravdou.