Krishnamurti_VI

Krishnamurti Subtitles

Suy Nghĩ Là Khí Cụ Của Hành Động Đúng?

Brockwood Park - 26 August 1979

Public Talk 2

1:11	If one may remind you,	Xin được nhắc bạn, đây
		không phải giải trí.

1:14	this is not
	an entertainment.

1:22	You are not being	Bạn không bị
	converted to anything.	cải đổi gì hết.

1:27	It is not a meeting	Không phải buổi
	of propaganda.	họp tuyên truyền.

1:33	We are met	Chúng ta gặp nhau vì
	for a serious purpose,	mục đích nghiêm túc

1:40	at least the speaker is,	ít nhất là người nói

1:44	so I hope you are	nên tôi mong bạn
	also very serious.	cũng thật nghiêm túc.

1:51	What we were saying	Những gì chúng
	yesterday	ta nói hôm qua

1:55	I think should be	tôi nghĩ nên lặp
	repeated briefly,	lại ngắn gọn

1:58	for there may be new people	vì có thể có
	here this morning.	bạn mới sáng nay.

2:09	We were saying	Chúng ta đã nói rằng tự tri

2:14	that self-awareness

2:19	being conscious of oneself,	là ý thức về chính
	one's reactions,	mình, phản ứng mình

2:26	one's inward thoughts	ý nghĩ và tham vọng mình
	and ambitions,

2:31	various forms	nhiều loại khổ đau
	of suffering,

2:35	pleasure, and all the travail	vui thú và mọi
	of human beings,	cực nhọc đời người

2:42	to be aware	nhận thức hết cả.
	of all that.

2:47	Aware without any choice,	Nhận thức không chọn
	just to be aware,	lựa, chỉ nhận biết

2:56	without direction,	không phương hướng,
		không áp lực gì cả

2:59	without any kind
	of pressure,

3:03	just to be conscious	chỉ ý thức mọi
	of all the inward	thứ hoạt động

3:08	and outward activities	bên trong và bên
	that are going on,	ngoài đang diễn ra

3:11	specially the psychological	đặc biệt hoạt động tâm
	activity of the human mind.	lý của trí óc con người.

3:21	That demands certain	Việc đó đòi hỏi
	serious attention,	chú ý nghiêm túc

3:28	not analysis,	không phân tích
		mà thuần quan sát

3:30	but pure observation:

3:35	to observe	quan sát không chọn lựa
	without any choice,

3:39	without any direction,	không phương hướng, không
		cảm giác áp lực nào

3:41	without any sense
	of pressure,

3:47	that needs quite	việc đó cần
	a deep attention.	chú tâm sâu thẳm.

3:56	And we were	Và chúng ta cũng nói
	also saying

4:05	that religion	tôn giáo là
	is the only factor	tác nhân duy nhất

4:10	that might bring	có thể đem nhân
	all humanity together	loại lại với nhau

4:16	- East, West,	đông, tây, nam, bắc.
	North, South.

4:20	But as religions	Nhưng như tôn giáo hiện thời
	are at present

4:24	in their very nature	với bản chất
	destructive, disruptive,	phá hoại, đổ vỡ

4:28	divisive, based on belief,	phân chia, dựa trên niềm
	dogma, ritual,	tin, giáo điều, lễ lạy

4:39	and tradition,	và truyền thống,
	hierarchical outlook	quan điểm giai cấp

4:44	- all that organised religion	Mọi tôn giáo tổ chức
	is not religion at all.	không phải tôn giáo gì cả

4:50	It is a vast sense	Đó là ý thức
	of superstition,	mê tín rộng lớn

4:56	desire playing	ước muốn dự phần
	a tremendous part in it,	lớn lao trong đó

5:00	and so leading	và vì vậy dẫn đến
	to a great deal of illusion.	biết bao ảo tưởng.

5:06	Religion can only come about	Tôn giáo chỉ có thể
	through meditation,	có nhờ thiền định

5:12	which we shall go into	chúng ta sẽ tìm hiểu
	as we go along in these	khi cùng đi trong bốn

5:17	four talks and	buổi nói chuyện
	answering questions.	và hỏi đáp này.

5:23	And we said too that	Và chúng ta cũng nói
		nếu có thể cùng suy tư.

5:28	if we could
	think together

5:36	- because for most of us	Bởi hầu hết chúng ta

5:39	our career demands	nghề nghiệp đòi
	all our thinking,	hỏi mọi suy tư:

5:44	if you are an architect,	nếu bạn là kiến trúc sư,
		kỹ sư, nhà khoa học, v.v..

5:45	engineer, scientist,
	and so on.

5:50	All our thinking is directed	Mọi suy tư được hướng
	in one particular direction,	về chiều hướng riêng.

5:56	our whole life depends	Cả đời sống lệ thuộc nó
	on it;

5:59	and so we are conditioned	và vì vậy chúng ta bị qui
	to one strata of thinking,	định vào một tầng suy tư

6:05	or one form of thinking.	hay một kiểu cách suy tư.

6:12	And it becomes	Và thành ra quá khó khăn
	very difficult

6:16	for those who are caught	cho những ai bị kẹt trong
	in a particular groove of thought	đường mòn suy tư riêng

6:21	to be able to think	để có thể suy tư
	not about something,	không về điều gì

6:25	but the whole movement	mà về chính toàn
	of thinking itself.	bộ vận hành suy tư.

6:36	That is what we were	Đó là điều chúng
	saying yesterday.	ta nói hôm qua.

6:42	And it becomes so extraordinarily	Và hiện nó trở thành
	important now	cực kỳ quan trọng

6:46	- as always probably -	có lẽ con người luôn luôn

6:49	that human beings

6:55	should come together	nên cùng bước đi, không
	not based on a belief, on an ideal,	dựa trên niềm tin, lý tưởng

7:00	or on some authority,	hay uy quyền nào,
		mà nên có năng lực

7:02	but have the capacity,
	the intention,

7:08	the seriousness	ý định, nghiêm
	to think together.	túc để cùng suy tư.

7:15	Think not about something,	Suy tư không về điều gì
	which is comparatively easy,	thì tương đối dễ dàng

7:28	but have the affection,	nhưng yêu mến, quan tâm,
	care,	để ý và có thể yêu thương

7:34	attention and
	perhaps love,

7:37	so that we are able	để chúng ta có thể
	to communicate with each other	trao đổi lẫn nhau

7:43	without any barrier,	không rào cản

7:48	so that your thinking and	để suy nghĩ bạn và suy
	the speaker's thinking are together.	nghĩ người nói ăn ý nhau.

7:57	Then we were saying	Rồi chúng ta nói

8:00	we should be able	chúng ta có thể tạo
	to bring about a good society.	dựng một xã hội tốt.

8:08	The ancient Greeks, and	Người Hy lạp cổ và
	the ancient Hindus, and others	người Hinđu cổ, v.v..

8:12	have talked about bringing	đã nói về xây dựng
	about a good society,	một xã hội tốt đẹp

8:15	somewhere in the future,	đâu đó trong tương lai, dựa
	based on some ideals, concepts,	trên vài lý tưởng, quan niệm

8:21	intellectual conclusions,	kết luận lý trí

8:24	and perhaps rarely upon	và có lẽ rất ít dựa
	their own experiences,	vào kinh nghiệm riêng

8:30	that there must be	trên thế giới phải
	in the world	có một số người

8:36	a number of people

8:38	who will create	sẽ tạo dựng xã hội
	a society

8:44	essentially good,	cơ bản tốt để con người
		có thể sống trên mặt đất

8:47	so that humanity can live
	on this earth happily,

8:55	without conflict,	hạnh phúc, không xung
	without wars,	đột, không chiến tranh

8:59	without slaughtering	không tàn sát lẫn nhau.
	each other.

9:05	And that society	Và xã hội ấy
	doesn't exist	chưa hiện diện

9:09	in spite of 2, or 3, or 5, 10	dù 2 hay 3 hay 5, 10 triệu
	million years of human existence.	năm con người đã có mặt.

9:19	Religions have tried	Các tôn giáo cố
	to bring this about,	gắng thực hiện nó

9:25	but in their very nature,	nhưng trong chính bản
	by their very organisation	chất, chính tổ chức

9:31	they are separative,	chúng phân chia,
		dựa trên niềm tin

9:33	they are based
	on belief,

9:37	dogma, ritual,	giáo lý, lễ lạy,
	authority,	uy quyền mọi thứ

9:41	and all the rest of that;

9:43	it becomes really	nên trở thành vô
	quite meaningless.	nghĩa hoàn toàn.

9:49	Though organisations	Dù các tổ chức như thế
	of such kind

9:52	bring about a certain	mang đến tính chất
	quality of security,	an toàn nào đó

9:55	that security itself	an toàn ấy chính
	becomes insecurity	nó thành bất an

9:59	when it is based	khi nó dựa trên ảo tưởng.
	on illusion.

10:03	I think this is all	Tôi nghĩ việc này đã rõ
	very clear,

10:06	if one has gone	nếu bạn đi sâu
	into this matter at all.	hết vấn đề ấy.

10:12	And is it possible	Và có thể nào

10:18	while we are living	khi chúng ta sống
	on this earth,	trên mặt đất này

10:21	which is not the British,	không phải là Ănglê, hay Anh
	or the English,

10:23	or the British, or the French,	hay Anh hay Pháp
	or all the rest of it	hay gì gì, v.v..

10:27	- it is our earth.	nó là đất.

10:33	And can we live there	Và chúng ta có thể
	peacefully now?	sống bình an ngay?

10:38	Which implies not some	Tức là không phải xã
	future idealistic society	hội lý tưởng ngày mai

10:46	based on goodness,	dựa trên tốt đẹp nào
		mà sống thực hàng ngày

10:49	but actually, in
	our daily life, now

10:55	bring about such	tạo ra xã hội tốt ấy?
	a good society?

11:00	Which means to have right	Nghĩa là có quan hệ
	relationship with each other.	đúng đắn với nhau.

11:10	A relationship not based	Quan hệ ấy không dựa
	on some past images,	trên hình ảnh cũ nào

11:17	put together	do ý nghĩ tạo ra
	by thought,

11:22	but a relationship,	mà là quan hệ trong đó
	in which	việc thực sự đang xảy ra

11:28	that which is
	actually happening,

11:31	in this relationship	quan hệ của phản ứng
	of reaction,

11:35	to be aware	nhận thức phản ứng ấy
	of those reactions

11:39	and not build out	và không làm
	of those reactions	gì từ phản ứng

11:43	various forms of images	những kiểu hình ảnh
		ngăn cản quan hệ thực sự

11:47	which prevent actual
	relationship with others,

11:52	however intimate	với kẻ khác,
	or impersonal.	dù là thân hay sơ.

12:01	Is that possible?	Có thể chứ?

12:03	Which means	Nghĩa là có
	can the human mind,	thể nào trí óc

12:05	which has been	con người bị qui
	so conditioned for millennia,	định hàng triệu năm

12:12	can such a conditioned	trí óc qui định ấy có
	mind be aware of itself,	thể nhận thức chính nó

12:22	know all the intricacies,	biết mọi rắc
	and the complexities,	rối và phức tạp

12:28	and the reactions	và phản ứng của
	of the human mind,	trí óc con người

12:31	based upon the senses,	dựa trên cảm giác

12:37	and becoming	và trở nên ý thức chính nó
	aware of itself,

12:41	bring about a deep transformation,	tạo ra chuyển hóa sâu sắc,
	a mutation in itself?	biến đổi trong chính nó?

12:47	That is the real	Đó là vấn đề thực sự.
	problem.

12:50	I hope we are communicating	Tôi hy vọng chúng
	with each other.	ta đang trao đổi nhau.

12:55	Or am I going too fast?	Hay tôi đi nhanh quá?

13:02	Perhaps most of us are not	Có lẽ đa số chúng ta
	used to this kind of thinking,	không quen lối suy nghĩ

13:10	or this kind of	hay kiểu giải thích này.
	explanation.

13:13	Explanations	Giải thích không
	are not actualities.	phải thực tế.

13:22	You can describe	Bạn có thể mô tả quả núi
	the mountain,

13:25	but to be close	nhưng đến gần bên núi
	to the mountain,

13:28	see actually the beauty of it,	thực sự nhìn vẻ
	the dignity of it,	đẹp, vẻ uy nghi

13:31	the majesty of it,	hùng tráng của
	is quite different	nó, là rất khác

13:34	from the description	với mô tả về quả núi kia.
	of that mountain.

13:40	But most of us are satisfied,	Nhưng hầu hết chúng ta
	sitting in our armchairs,	thỏa mãn ngồi trên ghế nệm

13:45	to be comforted or made to feel	cho dễ chịu hay cảm
	romantic about the mountain,	nhận tưởng tượng

13:52	through explanations,	về quả núi qua giải
	paintings, and so on.	thích, hình ảnh, v.v..

13:56	But we are actually	Nhưng chúng ta
	dealing	thực sự đối mặt

14:03	not with the mountains, but	không phải núi mà cuộc sống
	with actual daily life of our life.	thực hàng ngày của đời mình.

14:11	Can that life,	Có thể nào cuộc
	which is now a travail,	sống ấy, là thống khổ

14:17	a great deal of effort,	là vô vàn cố gắng, đấu
	struggle,	tranh, hơn thua, tàn bạo

14:20	competition,
	brutality, terror,

14:23	you know, all the things that	khủng bố, bạn biết cả
	are going on in our daily life,	mọi điều đang diễn ra

14:26	can that be	trong đời sống hàng
	transformed?	ngày, nó có thể thay đổi?

14:29	Not in some future,	Không phải lý
	idealistic,	tưởng ở tương lai

14:34	when the environment	khi xung quanh hoàn toàn
	is completely changed	thay đổi để tạo ra nó

14:38	to bring this about,	không thể nào.
	which is impossible.

14:43	The totalitarians	Các Bạo chúa
	tried this:	đã cố gắng thế

14:46	change the environment,	thay đổi xung quanh

14:49	and they say then the human	và họ nói rằng trí óc
	mind can become transformed,	con người có thể thay đổi

14:56	which has been	đó chứng tỏ là vô nghĩa.
	proved nonsensical.

15:00	And also there are the others	Và cũng có những người
	who say human conditioning,	nói qui định con người

15:05	the condition of the human	qui định trí óc con người
	mind can never be changed,	không thể thay đổi được

15:11	you must accept it,	bạn phải chấp nhận,
	live with it, modify it,	sống, canh cải nó

15:16	refine it and make it	thanh lọc và làm
	much more pleasant.	nó dễ chịu hơn.

15:24	But what we are saying	Nhưng chúng ta nói ngược
	is quite the contrary of these two:	cả với hai điều trên

15:31	that the human mind	là trí óc con người
	can be transformed,	có thể thay đổi

15:40	not to fall into	không phải rơi
	another conditioning,	vào qui định khác

15:45	not into another set of beliefs	không vào niềm tin, giáo lý
	and dogmas and all that nonsense,	khác và mọi thứ vô nghĩa

15:49	but actually	mà thực sự sinh
	bring about in itself	ra trong chính nó

15:56	a religious quality,	một đặc tính tôn giáo

16:00	which is the only factor	là tác nhân duy
	of bringing about	nhất để tạo ra

16:05	unity among	thống nhất trong
	all human beings.	cả loài người.

16:11	All organisations	Mọi tổ chức đã thất bại
	have failed,

16:15	and we never	và chúng ta có vẻ không hề
	apparently see	thấy tổ chức không thể làm

16:19	such organisations
	can never do this,

16:22	but yet we are addicted	vậy mà chúng ta cứ
	to organisations, like drugs,	ghiền tổ chức, như ma túy

16:26	like whiskey,	như uýt ky, v.v..
	and so on.

16:29	We think if we could organise,	Chúng ta nghĩ nếu chúng ta
	everything would be all right.	tổ chức mọi việc sẽ tốt.

16:35	Perhaps some of you have heard that	Chắc vài bạn có nghe câu
	story which I have often repeated.	chuyện tôi thường lặp lại:

16:39	There were two friends	Có hai người bạn
	walking along the road,	cùng đi trên đường

16:43	and as they were walking along one	và trong khi đang đi
	of them picks up from the pavement,	một anh lượm gì đó

16:49	and looks at it,	bên lề đường và nhìn ngắm,
	and his whole face changes,	rồi mặt mày bổng nhiên

16:53	lightens, delighted,	sáng rực, hân hoan
		và anh ta bỏ vào túi.

16:56	and he puts it
	in his pocket.

16:59	And the other fellow says,	Và anh kia hỏi,
	'What have you got?	'Anh được gì đó?'

17:03	Why are you so	'Sao vui vẻ quá vậy?'
	happy about it?'

17:06	'Oh,' he says,	'Ồ,' anh đáp, 'tôi
	'I have picked up part of truth,	lượm một mảnh chân lý

17:10	it is so	nó thật đẹp lạ lùng'
	extraordinarily beautiful.'

17:13	And the other fellow says,	Và anh kia nói, 'Giờ
	'Now let's organise it.'	ta hãy tổ chức nó'

17:23	And we think through	Và chúng ta
	organisations,	nghĩ nhờ tổ chức

17:26	however highly regarded,	mặc dù có cao cả

17:31	patronised, plenty of money,	bảo trợ, nhiều
	and so on,	tiền bạc, v.v..

17:36	blessed by all the big	tôn vinh với cả súng
	cannons of the world.	đại bác thế gian

17:42	Such organisations have never	các tổ chức không hề làm
	produced a unity of human mind,	thống nhất trí óc con người

17:50	for in their very	bởi trong chính cơ
	structure and nature	cấu và bản chất

17:55	they must be divisive,	chúng phải là
	separative,	phân biệt, phân chia

17:59	based on some form	dựa trên vài kiểu
	of idealism, or belief,	lý tưởng hay niềm tin

18:03	and so they are	và vậy chúng cơ
	essentially destructive,	bản là phá hoại

18:09	to bring about this unity	để tạo thống nhất trí
	of the mind, of the human mind,	óc, trí óc con người

18:16	which requires love, affection,	cần có tình thương, yêu mến,
	care, attention, responsibility.	để ý, quan tâm, trách nhiệm.

18:25	I hope we are meeting	Tôi hy vọng chúng ta
	each other, are we?	gặp nhau, phải không?

18:28	Or am I talking	Hay tôi nói với chính mình?

18:31	to myself?

18:34	Q:May I ask you	Q: Tôi xin hỏi
	a question, sir?	một câu được chứ?

18:37	K:We will do it the day	K: Chúng ta sẽ
	after tomorrow, sir.	hỏi vào ngày mốt.

18:40	If you are still here,	Nếu bạn vẫn ngồi đây,
	if you are still interested.	nếu bạn còn thích thú.

18:49	So our question is,	Vậy câu hỏi
		là, vẫn luôn là:

18:52	and has always been:

18:57	can the human mind,	Có thể trí óc,
		nhận thức con người

19:00	human consciousness,

19:03	with all its content	với cả tích chứa

19:07	- the grief, the sorrow,	đau đớn, khổ sở, âu
		lo, cô đơn, cảm giác

19:10	the anxiety,
	the loneliness,

19:15	the sense of despair,	chán chường, ước muốn
		hoàn thành và thất vọng

19:19	the desire to fulfil
	and frustration;

19:25	the whole of	cả tranh đấu của con người
	human struggle

19:30	is that consciousness,	là nhận thức ấy

19:33	with its images of God	với hình ảnh Thượng đế
	and, you know, all that.	và bạn biết, mọi thứ.

19:40	Can that consciousness	Nhận thức ấy
	be transformed?	có thể thay đổi?

19:47	Otherwise we will	Không thì chúng
	always be separative	ta luôn phân chia

19:54	- please do pay	Hãy để ý một chút
	attention a little bit -

19:57	separative, destructive,	phân chia, phá hoại, vị ngã
	self-centred,

20:05	perpetuating wars	chiến tranh bất tận

20:09	and maintaining this	và duy trì phân chia về
	everlasting division

20:12	of nationalities, races,	quốc gia, chủng tộc,
	colour, and all the rest of it.	màu da, mọi thứ.

20:19	So if one is serious	Vậy nếu bạn nghiêm túc

20:24	and deeply concerned	và quan tâm sâu
	with humanity,	sắc đến nhân loại

20:31	with man	đến con người
	with all his problems,	với mọi vấn đề

20:36	economic, social, religious	kinh tế, xã hội, tôn giáo
	- all that...	- mọi thứ

20:43	Can that mind	Trí óc ấy có thể
	be completely changed?	thay đổi hoàn toàn?

20:53	And the speaker says	Và người nói nói
	it can be, it must be.	có thể và phải được.

21:05	And then the question	Và rồi nảy lên câu hỏi:
	arises:

21:09	in what manner	Có thể làm gì
	can this be brought about?	cho nó xảy ra?

21:17	Does it demand	Đòi hỏi kỷ luật?
	discipline?

21:24	All right, sir?	Ổn cả chứ?

21:26	We are communicating with	Chúng ta đang trao đổi
	each other, you are following?	nhau, bạn theo kịp không?

21:33	Not verbally,	Không phải từ ngữ, trí óc
	not intellectually,

21:38	but actually becoming aware	mà thực sự nhận
	of one's own conditioning,	thức qui định mình

21:43	the number of beliefs,	những niềm tin,
	the experiences, dogmas	kinh nghiệm, giáo lý

21:47	- you know, the whole	bạn biết cả đời
	human existence.	sống con người

21:56	Becoming aware of it,	nhận thức nó

22:01	would you ask whether	Bạn có hỏi xem có thể
	it is possible to transform	nào thay đổi quá khứ

22:07	this enormous past,

22:14	with all the knowledge	khổng lồ ấy, với
	it has acquired,	cả kiến thức thu gom

22:19	can that be transformed?	Có thể thay đổi chứ?

22:23	Where there is	Nơi có kiến thức
	knowledge,

22:28	whether the past or the present,	dù là quá khứ hay hiện
	acquiring knowledge,	tại, kiến thức thu gom

22:32	knowledge is always	Kiến thức luôn bất toàn
	incomplete.

22:38	There is no knowledge	Không có kiến
	as a whole.	thức trọn vẹn.

22:41	So with knowledge	Nên kiến thức
	goes ignorance.	đi cùng ngu dốt.

22:46	Please understand,	Hiểu đi, hiểu điều này thực
	this is really quite important	vô cùng quan trọng cho bạn.

22:49	for you to understand
	this.

22:51	As knowledge can	Kiến thức không
	never be complete,	thể trọn vẹn

22:54	therefore knowledge	nên kiến thức luôn
	always goes with ignorance.	đi với dốt nát.

23:00	Part of knowledge	Một phần kiến thức
	is part of ignorance.	là một phần ngu dốt.

23:03	And when we rely	Và khi chúng ta dựa
	entirely on knowledge	cả vào kiến thức

23:08	as a means of advance,	như phương tiện tiến bộ,
	as a means of ascent of man,	thăng tiến của con người

23:12	we are also	chúng ta cũng
	maintaining ignorance.	ôm luôn ngu dốt.

23:20	And so there is	Và vậy nên luôn có đánh nhau
	always this battle

23:22	between ignorance	giữa ngu dốt và kiến thức.
	and knowledge.

23:28	And we are saying,	Và chúng ta nói con người
		sống cả đời trong quá khứ

23:30	as human beings live
	their lives in the past,

23:36	their whole life is	Cả đời họ là vận
	a movement of the past.	hành của quá khứ

23:41	If you observe it for yourself	Nếu quan sát bạn có thể
	you can see how we live -	thấy làm sao chúng ta sống

23:46	in the thousand	trong hàng ngàn ngày hôm qua
	yesterdays,

23:49	our memories,	kỷ niệm, kinh nghiệm,
	our experiences,	tổn thương, thất bại

23:52	our hurts, our failures

23:57	- you know, the whole movement	bạn biết cả vận hành
	of time which is the past.	thời gian là quá khứ.

24:04	And can that movement	Và vận hành ấy
	come to an end,	có thể chấm dứt

24:11	so that the mind	để trí óc tươi trẻ,
		sống động, mới tinh?

24:13	is fresh, young,
	alive, new?

24:21	Knowledge is necessary	Kiến thức cần thiết
	at a certain level.	có mức độ thôi.

24:25	If you are a doctor	Nếu là bác sĩ bạn
	you must have knowledge;	phải có kiến thức

24:27	a surgeon must	nhà phẫu thuật bạn
	have knowledge.	phải có kiến thức

24:30	If you are a good carpenter	Nếu là thợ mộc giỏi
	you must have a great deal	bạn phải có thật nhiều

24:33	of knowledge of wood,	kiến thức về gỗ
	and the implements, and so on.	và dụng cụ, v.v..

24:41	But knowledge	Nhưng kiến thức là
		kết quả của kinh nghiệm

24:45	is the result
	of experience

24:48	accumulated through	tích lũy qua hàng
	thousands and thousands	ngàn hàng vạn

24:52	of people through	con người bao thiên niên kỷ.
	millennia.

24:56	That knowledge is stored up	Kiến thức ấy lưu
	in our brain from childhood,	trong não từ bé

25:02	genetics, and so on,	gien, v.v.., v.v..
	so on, so on.

25:07	And that knowledge,	Và kiến thức, dựa trên
	based on experience, is memory.	kinh nghiệm, là ký ức.

25:13	You follow?	Bạn theo kịp chứ?

25:15	This is all very simple,	Điều này rất đơn giản

25:16	this is not highly	không phải trí óc
	intellectual, or anything.	cao hay gì khác.

25:22	And thought is the result	Và suy nghĩ là kết
		quả của vận hành ký ức

25:25	of that movement
	of memory.

25:30	As knowledge is	Như kiến thức
	always with ignorance,	luôn cùng dốt nát

25:40	our memory is	ký ức luôn giới hạn.
	always limited.

25:47	And therefore	Và vì vậy suy
	thought is always limited.	nghĩ luôn giới hạn.

25:54	Thought can imagine	Suy nghĩ có thể tưởng
	that it can perceive, or see,	nó có thể hiểu hay thấy

25:58	or experience	hay kinh nghiệm cái vô
	the limitless,	hạn, nhưng chính suy nghĩ

26:02	but thought in itself

26:04	is the outcome of knowledge	là kết quả của
	with its ignorance	kiến thức và dốt nát

26:08	and therefore it is essentially,	và vì vậy, cơ bản
	basically limited,	là nó giới hạn

26:14	fragmented	vụn vặt và không thể
		nào hiểu cái toàn thể.

26:17	and never can possibly
	percieve the whole.

26:24	This again becomes	Điều này cũng rất
	very simple and clear,	đơn giản rõ ràng

26:27	if you go into the whole	nếu bạn tìm hiểu
	question of thinking,	toàn bộ vấn đề suy tư

26:32	and our whole nature,	và cả tự nhiên, cả văn minh

26:34	our whole civilisation,

26:37	all the cathedrals,	mọi giáo đường, mọi
	all the things in the cathedrals,	việc trong giáo đường

26:40	the rituals, the whole circus	lễ lạy, cả rạp xiếc
	of all this is based on thought.	ấy dựa trên suy nghĩ.

26:48	And so thought	Và vậy suy nghĩ
	can never be sacred.	chẳng thể thánh thiện

26:53	Though it can create	Dù nó có thể tạo hình ảnh
	an image and call it sacred,	và gọi đó là thánh thiện

26:57	but that thing which it	nhưng vật gì nó tạo ra
	has created is not sacred,	không phải thánh thiện

27:01	because thought	bởi chính suy
	itself is limited.	nghĩ là giới hạn.

27:08	And we are caught	Và chúng ta kẹt trong hình
	in the images created by thought.	ảnh do suy nghĩ tạo ra.

27:16	So thought	Vậy suy nghĩ
	- please follow -	- theo dõi nhé

27:19	thought can	Suy nghĩ chẳng thể tạo ra
	never bring about

27:21	a complete transformation	thay đổi toàn diện
	of the human mind.	trí óc con người.

27:29	Right?	Phải không?

27:31	Because all the things	Bởi vì mọi việc
	that thought has put together	suy nghĩ xắp xếp lại

27:35	as consciousness...	như nhận thức
		- bạn thích những việc này chứ?

27:40	Are you interested
	in all this?

27:43	Q:Go on, go on.	Thính giả: Xin tiếp
	K:No?	tục. K: Không à?

27:47	Q:Go on, go on,	Thính giả: Xin tiếp tục.
	please.

27:50	K:If you are not, sirs,	K: Nếu không thích bạn
	don't bother to listen,	đừng khó chịu mà nghe

27:55	because this is really	bởi việc này thực
	very, very serious.	sự rất nghiêm túc.

28:01	You have taken the trouble	Bạn đã khó nhọc đến đây
	to come here,

28:05	in rather rotten weather,	trong thời tiết khá tệ

28:09	and you want to find out	và bạn muốn tìm
	what the other fellow,	coi anh bạn kia

28:11	what the speaker	người nói kia
	is trying to say,	đang cố nói gì

28:14	so you have to listen,	vậy bạn phải
	you have to find out.	nghe, phải tìm.

28:18	And in the very finding it out	Và trong chính tìm
	you test it.	kiếm bạn thử nghiệm

28:22	You don't accept anything	Bạn đừng chấp nhận
	the speaker says.	gì người nói nói.

28:29	Though he is sitting	Dù anh ta có
	on a higher platform,	ngồi trên bệ cao

28:32	it doesn't give him	đó không cho anh
	any authority.	ta uy quyền gì.

28:36	We are investigating	Chúng ta xem xét toàn
	into the whole nature of man	bộ bản chất con người

28:43	and whether that	và xem nó có
	can be transformed.	thể thay đổi không.

28:47	Because the way we are living is	Bởi cách chúng ta đang sống
	terrible, destructive, meaningless,	là khủng khiếp, phá hoại

28:53	going to the office everyday,	vô nghĩa, đến văn phòng
	or to the factory	hay nhà máy hàng ngày

28:57	- you know, all this.	bạn biết cả.

28:59	From the moment you pass	Từ lúc bạn vượt
	your school examination,	qua thi cử ở trường

29:02	or whatever it is,	..hay gì khác, cả
	for the rest of your life	phần đời còn lại

29:08	going to the office,	là đi đến văn phòng,
	struggling, struggling, struggling.	tranh tranh đấu đấu.

29:13	And so life becomes	Và cuộc sống thành
	utterly meaningless.	ra quá vô nghĩa.

29:19	So we are saying,	Vậy chúng ta nói:

29:21	thought has created	Suy nghĩ tạo ra những
		kiến trúc đẹp nhất

29:23	the most beautiful
	architecture,

29:28	both in the East	cả ở phương đông
	and in the West.	lẫn phương tây.

29:34	And the things	Và những vật
	that have been put in it,	được đặt trong đó

29:39	in all the various	trong mọi nhà thờ,
	churches	xin đừng nổi giận

29:42	- don't get angry,
	please,

29:44	we are just describing this,	Chúng ta chỉ mô tả nó
	the fact.	- sự kiện.

29:48	Don't resist, just look at it,	Đừng kháng lại, chỉ
	just listen,	nhìn, chỉ nghe thôi

29:53	and if you don't want to listen,	và nếu bạn không
	shut your ears,	muốn nghe, bịt tai lại

29:59	or if you don't want to be	hay nếu bạn không muốn mất
	impolite, quietly slip out.	lịch sự, cứ im lặng đi ra.

30:09	Because what we are saying	Bởi điều chúng ta nói
	is totally contrary	hoàn toàn ngược lại

30:13	to everything	với mọi việc đang
	that is going on in the world.	diễn ra trên thế giới.

30:20	We are asking	Chúng ta yêu cầu cuộc
	for a psychological revolution,	cách mạng nội tâm

30:27	which means the transformation	nghĩa là sự thay
	of the human mind,	đổi trí óc con người

30:31	with all the things	với mọi việc mà
	that thought has put in there.	suy nghĩ để trong đó.

30:42	So we are saying	Nên chúng ta nói suy
	that thought, do what it will,	nghĩ làm điều nó muốn

30:48	because in itself	bởi chính nó là thành
	it is partial,	phần, giới hạn, cạn cợt

30:51	limited, narrow,

30:54	based on knowledge,	dựa trên kiến thức, và
		kiến thức đi với dốt nát

30:56	and knowledge goes
	with ignorance,

31:00	therefore thought,	nên suy nghĩ dù nó làm gì
	whatever it does

31:04	- it may write the most	có thể vẽ thiên đường
	beautiful, romantic heaven,	tưởng tượng, đẹp nhất

31:09	theories of God,	lý thuyết về Thượng
		đế, về xã hội tương lai

31:12	theories of what
	society should be,

31:17	and so on -	và v.v.., là gì thì
		nó cũng không thể

31:18	whatever it does,
	it cannot possibly

31:22	bring about	làm thay đổi tận gốc.
	a radical change.

31:28	But thought has	Nhưng suy nghĩ
	its own place.	có vị trí riêng.

31:34	You cannot go home without	Không biết, không suy nghĩ,
	knowing, without thinking.	bạn không thể về nhà.

31:39	If you had total amnesia,	Nếu bạn quên hết
	you would be lost.	bạn sẽ bị lạc.

31:44	So thought has	Nên suy nghĩ có vị trí đúng
	its right place,

31:49	but thought cannot	nhưng không thể
	bring this change.	đem đến thay đổi.

31:56	If you once see that and grant it,	Nếu một lần bạn hiểu và
	even intellectually,	thừa nhận, dù là trí óc

32:03	then what is one to do?	rồi bạn sẽ làm gì?

32:05	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi chứ?
	my question?

32:14	Please understand	Hãy hiểu thật kỹ việc này
	this very deeply,

32:15	otherwise you will miss	không thì bạn sẽ
	the whole point.	lạc mất vấn đề.

32:19	Man has tried,	Con người đã cố
		gắng, cả Đông lẫn Tây

32:22	in the East
	and in the West,

32:26	depending on thought	lệ thuộc suy nghĩ

32:29	- the ancient Greeks,	người Hy lạp cổ, và
	the ancient Hindus,	Hinđu cổ và Trung quốc cổ

32:32	and the ancient
	Chinese -

32:35	depending on thought and saying	lệ thuộc suy nghĩ và
	that will help man	nói sẽ giúp đỡ con người

32:41	to change, to bring about	cố thay đổi, cố tạo
	a different culture,	ra nền văn hóa khác

32:45	a different society,	xã hội khác

32:49	and thought	và suy nghĩ không làm được.
	has not brought it about.

32:56	If one actually, deeply	Nếu thực sự hiểu sâu sự
	realises that fact,	kiện ấy, không lý thuyết

33:02	not a theory,

33:05	not something you come to	không phải điều gì
	through argument,	do tranh luận, hay

33:13	through opposing	do quan niệm đối
	opinions,	nghịch, mà sự kiện thực

33:16	but an actual fact.

33:21	Then the next	Vậy câu hỏi kế tiếp là:
	question is:

33:27	what is the factor	Tác nhân gì sẽ
	that will bring about this change?	gây ra thay đổi ấy?

33:32	If thought cannot,	Nếu suy tư không
	what will?	thể thì cái gì?

33:35	You follow?	Bạn theo kịp không?

33:37	If a good carpenter	Nếu một thợ mộc giỏi

33:44	has an instrument which	có dụng cụ vô dụng
	is useless, he throws it away.	hắn sẽ ném nó đi.

33:49	But we don't.	Nhưng chúng ta thì
	We keep it.	không. Chúng ta giữ lại.

33:54	We hope somehow	Chúng ta hy vọng nó sẽ
	that it will operate,	hoạt động nhờ phép màu nào.

33:58	through some miracle.

34:01	We don't throw it away	Chúng ta không ném nó

34:05	and therefore have the capacity	và vì vậy có khả năng
	to look in another direction,	để nhìn một hướng khác

34:14	because we are	bởi vì chúng ta sợ
	frightened

34:19	that if thought	nếu suy tư không phải là
	is not the solution	giải pháp cho mọi vấn đề

34:23	for all our problems,

34:25	including political,	cả chính trị,
	religious, economic,	kinh tế, tôn giáo

34:30	if thought is not the solution,	nếu suy tư không là giải
	and if you say,	pháp, và nếu bạn nói

34:34	'All right, I will	'Được thôi, tôi
	put thought aside,	sẽ đặt nó sang bên

34:36	because thought	bởi suy tư có vị trí riêng'
	has its place.'

34:39	Then our minds are free	Rồi thì trí óc thoát
	of the useless instrument,	khỏi dụng cụ vô ích

34:45	which has its own place.	nó có vị trí riêng

34:46	Then it has a capacity	Trí óc liền có khả năng
	to look in other directions.	nhìn những hướng khác.

34:50	I wonder if you are	Không biết bạn
	following all this?	có theo kịp không?

34:54	I hope you are doing all this	Hy vọng bạn đang làm
	and not merely listening	chứ không phải chỉ nghe

34:58	to a lot of words,	hàng lô từ ngữ, và xem
		nó vô dụng rồi bỏ đi ra.

35:00	and consider it
	as useless and go away.

35:06	So what is there...	Vậy cái gì

35:12	If thought is not the instrument	Nếu suy nghĩ không là khí
	of right action,	cụ của hành động đúng

35:20	then what is the instrument,	vậy thì khí cụ nào
	right?	- phải không?

35:26	Are we together	Chúng ta cùng đến đây chứ?
	in all this?

35:32	What do you say?	Bạn nghĩ sao?

35:42	Our senses	Giác quan phần nào làm
		thành trí óc, dĩ nhiên.

35:50	partially make up
	our whole mind, obviously.

35:57	But we use our senses partially.	Nhưng chúng ta dùng giác quan một phần
	Right?	- phải không?

36:03	One or two senses	Một hay hai giác quan nhận
	highly awakened, highly developed,	thức cao, phát triển cao

36:09	the others are dormant.	những cái khác đang ngủ
		- phải không?

36:11	Right?

36:16	And is it possible	Và có thể nào quan
	to observe	sát với mọi giác quan

36:20	with all our senses,

36:22	not with one	không phải với một
	or two senses,	hay hai giác quan

36:24	with all the senses	mà mọi giác quan
	highly observant?	quan sát cao độ?

36:31	Do you understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	the question?

36:40	Which means,	Nghĩa là có
	is there an observation	chăng sự quan sát

36:46	which is not the instrument	không phải khí
	of thought?	cụ của suy nghĩ?

36:50	You are following this?	Bạn theo kịp không?

36:56	May I go on with it?	Tiếp tục được chứ?

37:01	Not for your	Không phải bạn giải trí
	entertainment,

37:04	but you are doing it	mà cùng làm việc
	with the speaker.	với người nói.

37:08	We are doing it	Chúng ta cùng làm.
	together.

37:12	Which means we are doing it	Nghĩa là chúng ta
	together with care,	cùng làm việc cẩn thận

37:14	with attention, with affection,	chú ý, yêu mến,
	with love - together.	yêu thương, cùng nhau.

37:19	Otherwise it is	Nếu không thì vô nghĩa.
	meaningless.

37:21	You accept a lot of words	Bạn nhận một lô
	and go away;	từ ngữ rồi bỏ đi

37:23	it will just be ashes	đó chỉ là nắm tro trong tay.
	in your hands.

37:30	So, is there	Vậy có chăng sự quan sát
	an observation,

37:35	not partial,	không từng phần, mà
		mọi giác quan quan sát?

37:38	but with all the senses
	observe?

37:47	Which means,	Nghĩa là có
	is there an observation	chăng sự quan sát

37:51	without the past?	không có quá khứ?

37:54	Senses have no past,	Giác quan không có quá
	they are acting.	khứ, chúng hành động.

37:57	You understand this?	Bạn hiểu không?

37:59	This is marvellous.	Tuyệt vời. Tôi khám phá
	I am discovering something myself.	điều gì đó trong tôi.

38:05	The senses are	Giác quan đáp ứng
	responding,

38:10	according	với mỗi thách thức
	to every challenge,

38:15	and the senses, when they	và khi mà giác quan
	are functioning completely,	hoạt động trọn vẹn

38:20	there is pure	là thuần quan sát.
	observation.

38:23	Isn't it?	Phải không? Bạn
	I wonder if you see this.	có thấy vậy không?

38:26	And that observation	Và quan sát ấy không
	is not induced by thought.	do suy nghĩ khởi.

38:36	Right?	Phải không?

38:37	In that observation there is	Trong quan sát ấy không
	no centre from which to observe.	có trung tâm để quan sát.

38:45	There is only observation,	Chỉ có quan sát,
	pure and simple,	thuần khiết, đơn giản

38:51	without all the pressure	không có cả áp lực
	and the volume of the past.	và gánh nặng quá khứ

39:01	Right?	Phải không?

39:04	Which implies that one has to go	Nó hàm ý bạn phải
	into this whole question	đào sâu toàn bộ vấn đề

39:10	of discipline,	kỷ luật, bởi chúng
	because we are used to it.	ta quen như thế.

39:26	We are used	Chúng ta quen nổ lực
	to making an effort.

39:31	To learn is an effort.	Học là nổ lực

39:35	A language, or anything	Ngôn ngữ hay gì đó,
		bạn phải cố gắng nhiều.

39:40	- one has to make
	a tremendous effort.

39:48	And is there a possibility	Và có thể nào
	of living	có cuộc sống

39:52	- please listen	Lắng nghe nhé
	to this -	- có thể nào có cuộc sống

39:54	is there
	a possibility of living

39:56	without a single	không chút bóng
	shadow of effort?	dáng cố gắng?

40:04	Ask yourself, please,	Tự hỏi xem, hãy
	find out the answer,	tìm câu trả lời

40:09	because we have made effort	bởi chúng ta cố
	in every direction,	gắng trong mọi hướng

40:17	and we have not brought about	và chúng ta không tạo
	a good society	ra một xã hội tốt

40:21	where people	nơi mọi người có
	can live happily,	thể sống yên vui

40:26	without fear, without terror,	không sợ hãi, không
	without uncertainty - you follow? -	khủng bố, bất an

40:30	all that is going on	bạn xem
	in the present world.	- tất cả đang diễn ra trên thế giới này.

40:35	And we say	Và chúng ta
	through organisation,	nói nhờ tổ chức

40:37	making an effort to create	cố gắng tạo ra một tổ chức
	an organisation we will solve that.	chúng ta sẽ giải quyết nó.

40:44	So we are questioning	Vậy chúng ta xem xét
	the whole movement of effort,	toàn bộ vận hành cố gắng

40:51	effort to reach God,	cố gắng đến với
	if there is a God,	Thượng đế, nếu có

40:56	effort to be noble,	cố gắng để cao thượng

40:58	effort to have good responsibility	cố gắng có trách
	in our relationship.	nhiệm tốt trong quan hệ.

41:13	And so effort implies	Và cố gắng hàm ý
	the action of will.	hành động của ý chí.

41:19	You are following?	Bạn theo kịp không?

41:23	Will is desire,	Ý chí là ước muốn

41:30	and there are	Và có vô số kiểu ước muốn
	multiple forms of desires.

41:38	And desire in its activity	Và thực hiện ước
	must create effort.	muốn phải cố gắng.

41:50	If I want a good suit,	Nếu muốn bộ com lê
	I must make an effort.	tốt, tôi phải cố gắng.

41:55	If I want to be good,	Nếu muốn tốt,
	in quotes,	trong ngoặc kép

41:58	I must make	tôi phải cố gắng để tốt.
	an effort to be good.

42:03	If I want to reach God	Nếu muốn đến với Thượng đế
		- không bàn Thượng đế

42:07	- we won't discuss God -

42:12	either I must fast,	nào là phải nhịn ăn,
		độc thân, nguyện thề

42:15	be a celibate,
	take vows,

42:19	burn in myself,	đốt cháy trong tôi,
		tranh tranh đấu đấu

42:22	struggle,
	struggle, struggle,

42:25	great efforts to	cố gắng hết mình để đạt
	reach the ideal,	lý tưởng, nguyên lý tối cao.

42:28	the highest principle.

42:30	We are questioning	Chúng ta bàn về nổ lực ấy
	that effort,

42:39	because we are saying	bởi vì chúng ta
		nói thuần quan sát

42:42	that in pure observation,

42:44	which I have	mà chúng ta vừa giải
	explained a little bit,	thích, không có cố gắng

42:46	there is no effort,

42:51	there is only	chỉ có quan sát
	observation and action.	và hành động.

42:58	I wonder if you get	Không biết bạn có hiểu hết.
	all this.

43:02	I'll go into it presently	Tôi sẽ đào sâu
	in more detail.	vào từng chi tiết.

43:08	That is why one	Tức là tại sao
	has to understand	bạn phải hiểu

43:12	the whole nature	toàn bộ bản chất ước muốn
	of desire,

43:16	because we are	bởi chúng ta bị
	driven by desire,	ước muốn thôi thúc

43:22	whether sexual,	tình dục này, tham vọng này
	whether ambitious

43:27	- you know,	bạn biết, mọi thứ
	all the rest of it.

43:29	Desire becomes	ước muốn thành
	the basis of our existence.	nền tảng cuộc sống.

43:34	So we have to go into this	Vậy phải tìm hiểu toàn
	whole question of desire.	bộ vấn đề ước muốn.

43:42	Various monks	Nhiều thầy tu khắp thế
	throughout the world	giới nói không có ước muốn

43:45	have said, 'No desire.'

43:50	If you would reach God,	Nếu bạn đến với Thượng
		đế, nguyên lý tối cao

43:53	the highest principle,

43:56	desire must be	ước muốn phải bị loại trừ
	suppressed	- bạn biết cả.

43:59	- you know all this.

44:02	Look at all the monks	Nhìn xem các thầy
	throughout the world -	tu khắp thế giới

44:05	they are ordinary human beings,	họ là người bình thường,
	taken a vow to serve God	nguyện phục vụ Thượng đế

44:10	and concentrate all	và tập trung mọi
	your energy on that,	năng lực vào đó

44:13	which means	tức là ước muốn phải ít
	desire must be held low,

44:19	suppressed, or transmuted,	bị loại bỏ hay
	and so on, so on.	biến đổi, v.v..

44:24	So one has	Vậy bạn phải tìm
	to investigate desire.	hiểu ước muốn.

44:31	Observe desire, not control,	Quan sát ước muốn, không
	suppress, transform,	kiểm soát, loại bỏ, biến đổi

44:36	just to observe desire.	chỉ quan sát ước muốn.

44:40	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không? Thuần
	Pure observation of desire.	quan sát ước muốn.

44:45	In that, if you go	Vậy đó, nếu
	into it deeply,	bạn tìm hiểu sâu

44:47	thought doesn't	suy nghĩ không xen vào
	enter at all,

44:51	as we explained	như đã giải thích, mong thế.
	just now, I hope.

44:53	Need I go back	Có cần tôi quay lại không?
	to it again?

45:00	So we are saying,	Nên chúng ta nói, một
		tác nhân lớn của đời sống

45:03	as one of the major
	factors of life is desire,

45:10	one has to understand	là ước muốn, bạn phải
	what is desire,	hiểu ước muốn là gì

45:14	how does it	thống trị đời mình
	dominate our lives, why?	cách nào, tại sao?

45:23	Whether it is desire	Dù là ước muốn
	for heaven or illumination,	thiên đàng hay tỏ ngộ

45:29	whether it is desire	Hay ước muốn một ngôi nhà
	for a house

45:32	- you know,	Bạn biết, tất
	all the rest of it - desire.	cả, ước muốn.

45:34	How does it	Cách nào nó có mặt?
	come into being?

45:51	What is the relationship	Quan hệ gì
	- please just follow it slowly,	- hãy theo dõi chậm thôi

45:55	we will go into	chúng ta sẽ đào sâu
	it carefully -

45:57	what is the relationship	Quan hệ gì giữa giác
	between	quan và ước muốn?

46:00	the senses and desire?

46:04	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

46:09	The senses: seeing something	Giác quan
	in the shop window	- thấy gì đó trong tủ kính

46:15	- a dress, a shirt,	áo dài, sơ mi, hay gì
	whatever it is,	đó, món nội thất xinh xắn

46:18	a nice piece
	of furniture,

46:24	or a beautiful car -	hay xe hơi đẹp
		- tức là, thấy và ước muốn.

46:28	that is,
	seeing and desire.

46:32	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

46:34	What is the relationship	Quan hệ gì giữa hai cái?
	between the two?

46:48	How would you find out?	Làm sao bạn tìm ra?

46:54	Read a book?	Đọc sách ư?

46:58	Go to a psychologist?	Đến nhà tâm lý?

47:01	A professor?	Giáo sư? Đạo sư?
	A guru?

47:05	A man who says	Hay ai nói việc này?
	it is so?	Làm sao bạn tìm ra?

47:08	How will you find out?

47:13	Because we are	Bởi chúng ta lệ thuộc
	so dependent	giải thích của người khác

47:15	on another's explanation.

47:19	Right?	Phải không? Chúng
		ta muốn được dạy.

47:21	We want to be told.

47:28	The speaker refuses	Người nói từ chối được dạy
	to be told,

47:34	by the books,	bởi sách vở, bởi giáo sư
	by the professors,

47:36	by all the hierarchical	bởi những kẻ có thứ
	beings in knowledge.	bậc về kiến thức.

47:44	So how is one	Vậy làm sao bạn tìm ra?
	to find out?

47:48	If we discard all that,	Nếu chúng ta dẹp hết
		bạn còn lại chính mình.

47:50	you are left
	with yourself.

47:57	How will you find out	Làm sao bạn tìm
		ra quan hệ gì

48:00	what is the relationship

48:02	between the activities	giữa hoạt động
	of the senses	của giác quan

48:08	and desire?	và ước muốn?

48:13	Or must they all	Hay chúng phải luôn đi chung?
	go always together?

48:17	Do you understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

48:19	Are you following	Bạn theo kịp cả chứ?
	all this?

48:23	That interests you,	Bạn thích thú không?
	all this?

48:26	Gosh!	Trời ạ!

48:32	Please bear in mind,	Xin hãy nhớ, nếu
	if you don't mind,	bạn không phiền

48:36	that we are not converting you	chúng ta không cải
	to anything,	đổi bạn điều gì

48:43	to new aspects of desire,	sang kiểu ước muốn mới,
	or this or that - nothing.	hay này khác, không gì cả.

48:49	We are investigating	Chúng ta cùng nhau tìm tòi.
	together.

48:58	If you observe very closely	Nếu bạn quan sát vận
	the movement of desire:	hành ước muốn thật gần:

49:06	you see something	Bạn thấy gì đó qua cửa sổ
	in the window

49:10	- a dress, a shirt, a trouser,	áo dài, sơ mi, quần
	whatever it is -	tây, hay gì khác

49:16	the senses are awakened	Giác quan thức dậy
	by that perception,	bởi nhận thức ấy

49:20	by the seeing	do thấy sơ mi nọ, áo dài kia
	of that shirt,	- phải không?

49:23	of that dress, right?

49:26	The senses are	Giác quan thức dậy.
	awakened.

49:31	Then you touch	Rồi bạn sờ vào chất liệu
	the material,

49:37	which is contact,	tức là tiếp xúc rồi cảm giác
		- phải không?

49:40	and then sensation,
	right?

49:43	Please follow this	Hãy theo dõi từng bước.
	step by step.

49:47	Seeing,	Thấy, xúc chạm, cảm giác.

49:51	contact,

49:54	sensation.

49:58	Right?	Phải không?

50:01	Then - observe it closely,	Rồi, quan sát thật
	you will see it for yourself.	gần, chính bạn sẽ thấy

50:04	Then thought comes	Suy nghĩ đến
	and makes an image,	và tạo hình ảnh

50:10	and says how nice	và bảo tôi mặc sơ mi
	it would be	xanh ấy chắc là đẹp lắm

50:12	for me to have
	that blue shirt on.

50:17	Right?	Phải không?

50:22	So when thought	Vậy khi suy nghĩ tạo
	makes the image	hình ảnh bạn mặc áo kia

50:27	of you having that
	robe, that dress,

50:32	and creating the image	quần nọ, và tạo hình
	of you in that dress	ảnh bạn trong bộ y phục ấy

50:37	and how nice you look,	trông đẹp làm sao,
		rồi ước muốn bắt đầu.

50:40	then desire begins.

50:43	You follow this?	Bạn theo kịp không?

50:46	Do please, it is very interesting,	Nào, rất thú vị nếu
	if you go into it very deeply.	bạn tìm hiểu thật sâu.

50:52	Seeing, contact,	Thấy, xúc chạm, cảm giác,
	sensation	hoàn toàn bình thường.

50:55	- that is perfectly
	normal, it is so.

51:00	Then thought	Rồi suy nghĩ đến
	comes along	và tạo hình ảnh

51:03	and creates the image of you	bạn ngồi trên
	sitting in the car and driving it,	xe hơi và lái nó

51:11	and the excitement of the speed,	và phấn kích về tốc
	and all the rest of it.	độ và mọi thứ khác

51:16	You have created	Bạn đã tạo hình ảnh.
	the image.

51:18	So, thought when it	Vậy, khi suy nghĩ
	dominates the senses	thống trị giác quan

51:29	and creates the image,	và tạo hình ảnh,
	then desire begins.	ước muốn bắt đầu.

51:37	So the next question is,	Nên câu hỏi kế
	if that is so,	là, nếu vậy thì

51:42	the next question is:	câu hỏi kế là: tại sao
		suy nghĩ tạo hình ảnh?

51:44	why does thought
	create the image?

51:49	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

51:51	It is perfectly right	Hoàn toàn đúng
	to see a beautiful car,	khi thấy xe hơi đẹp

51:55	look at it, touch it,	nhìn nó, xúc
		chạm, cảm giác nó.

51:58	the sensations of it.

52:00	Then thought slips in:	Rồi suy nghĩ len vào

52:04	you are sitting behind the wheel	bạn ngồi sau tay
	and driving it.	lái và lái nó.

52:07	I hope it is a fast car,	Mong đó là xe tốc độ

52:12	in spite of	dù năng lượng là vấn đề!
	the energy trouble!

52:17	So, thought has	Vậy suy nghĩ tạo ra đó.
	created this.

52:21	If one understands this,	Nếu bạn hiểu, không
		phải ngôn từ, trí óc

52:24	not verbally,
	not intellectually,

52:26	but factually,	mà thực sự, rồi thì
		suy nghĩ không liên quan gì

52:28	then thought has
	no relationship

52:32	with the sensation	đến cảm giác
	- you understand?	- bạn hiểu không?

52:34	I wonder if you	Bạn có thấy vậy không.
	see that.

52:37	So then there is no question	Vậy thì không có
	of making an effort	vấn đề cố gắng

52:41	to discipline desire,	để rèn ước muốn

52:46	to suppress desire,	loại trừ ước muốn

52:49	to transform desire.	biến cải ước muốn.

52:53	Because we are	Bởi chúng ta quá
	accustomed,	quen, được dạy cố gắng

52:55	trained to make
	an effort:

53:01	right desire,	muốn đúng, muốn sai,
	wrong desire,	muốn cao thượng hay đê hèn

53:03	noble desire,
	ignoble desire,

53:07	according to the pattern	theo khuôn mẫu của
	of each civilisation,	mỗi nền văn minh

53:12	which civilisation is	văn minh được đúc kết bằng suy nghĩ
	put together by thought.	- phải không?

53:18	Right?

53:22	So discipline then	Rồi kỷ luật có một ý
	has quite a different meaning.	nghĩa hoàn toàn khác.

53:30	Discipline now	Kỷ luật nghĩa là kiểm soát
	means to control.	- phải không?

53:36	Right?

53:39	To struggle to be	Đấu tranh để
	what is demanded,	có cái đòi hỏi

53:43	either Victorian, or modern,	thời Victoria hay Hiện
	permissive, or not permissive.	đại, buông thả hoặc không

53:49	Discipline ourselves	rèn mình để là gì đó
	to be something,

53:54	control ourselves	kiểm soát mình
	- you follow?	- kịp chứ?

53:57	All that is based	Mọi cái dựa trên cố
		gắng để là, trở thành

53:58	on an effort
	to be, to become,

54:02	to achieve,	đạt được, chúng ta
		đang nói về tâm lý.

54:06	psychologically we
	are talking about.

54:10	So when you understand	Vậy khi chúng ta hiểu
	the nature of desire,	bản chất ước muốn

54:16	what place has effort?	cố gắng có vị trí gì?

54:20	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

54:22	Psychological effort.	Cố gắng tâm lý.

54:25	What place has	Kỷ luật có vị trí gì?
	discipline?

54:29	Discipline actually	Kỷ luật thực
	means to learn.	sự nghĩa là học

54:33	It comes from	Gốc từ chữ học trò
	the word 'disciple'

54:38	- one who is willing	Bạn muốn học nơi thầy giáo
	to learn from the teacher.	- học.

54:44	To learn.

54:46	The actual meaning is	Nghĩa thực sự là học.
	to learn.

54:50	We have learnt.	Chúng ta học.

54:52	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

54:54	We have learnt together	Chúng ta cùng học
	the nature of desire.	bản chất ước muốn.

55:00	So, where is the whole	Vậy nơi nào toàn thể
	movement of a civilisation,	vận hành của văn minh

55:05	which says 'discipline'?	tức là kỷ luật?

55:10	Which means conform,	Tức là tuân thủ, bắt chước, so sánh
		- kịp không?

55:14	imitate, compare

55:18	- you follow?

55:20	All that is implied	Mọi thứ đó hàm ý kỷ
	in discipline,	luật và quá tự nhiên.

55:23	and much more,
	naturally.

55:28	So, is it possible	Vậy có thể sống
	to live a daily life	cuộc sống hàng ngày

55:34	without a single effort?	mà không chút cố gắng?

55:37	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không? Không
		chút ý kiểm soát.

55:39	Without a single
	sense of control.

55:43	Please, this is very	Nào, việc này rất nguy hiểm
	dangerous,

55:45	especially in	đặc biệt trong
	a permissive society.	xã hội buông thả.

55:54	We are not advocating	Chúng ta không tán
	permissiveness,	thành buông thả

55:58	or the opposite of it.	hay chống đối nó.

56:01	We are examining the whole	Chúng ta xem xét toàn bộ
	structure of human mind,	cấu trúc trí óc con người

56:09	which has been trained	bị huấn luyện để kiểm
	to control,	soát, và phản ứng là

56:12	and the reaction is:
	let go,

56:15	do what you want,	bỏ qua, làm gì bạn
		muốn, làm việc bạn thích.

56:17	do the thing you want.

56:23	On the contrary,	Ngược lại chúng ta nói
	we are saying:	thấu hiểu, nhìn, quan sát

56:26	understand, look,
	observe,

56:29	be aware of your	nhận thức toàn bộ cuộc
	whole existence,	sống, không phải một phần

56:33	not just one part of it

56:36	- be permissive	buông thả khi
	when you are twenty.	bạn tuổi hai mươi.

56:40	But from the beginning of life	Nhưng từ đầu đến cuối
	to the end, look at it,	cuộc đời, nhìn nó

56:49	because all religions,	bởi mọi tôn giáo,
	organised religions,	tôn giáo tổ chức với

56:53	with their dogmas,	giáo lý, v.v.., luôn đòi
	and so on,	hỏi điều này, kỷ luật

56:55	have always demanded
	this - discipline;

56:59	to serve God	phục vụ Thượng đế,
	- discipline,	kỷ luật, cố gắng.

57:03	make effort.

57:08	You can't love	Bạn không thể yêu thương bởi cố gắng
	with effort,	- phải không?

57:13	can you?

57:17	Thought can make an effort	Suy nghĩ có thể cố gắng
	and says, 'I will try to love,'	và nói 'tôi sẽ cố thương'

57:22	but it is not love;	nhưng không phải yêu thương,
		chỉ là vận hành suy nghĩ

57:25	it is still
	the movement of thought,

57:29	based upon knowledge	dựa trên kiến
	with its ignorance,	thức và ngu đốt

57:33	and thought can never	và suy nghĩ không hề có
		đặc tính yêu thương trọn vẹn.

57:35	have that quality of love
	which is whole.

57:46	So, we are saying	Vậy chúng ta nói
	that the human condition,	rằng qui định con người

57:55	which is the human	là nhận thức con người
	consciousness,

57:57	not only the particular	không chỉ là nhận thức riêng
	consciousness,

58:05	that consciousness is part	nhận thức ấy là thành
	of the whole of consciousness.	phần của toàn thể nhận thức

58:08	I wonder	Bạn có thấy vậy không?
	if you see this?

58:14	Your consciousness	Nhận thức bạn,
		sống ở thành phố

58:18	- living in a town,
	living in a village,

58:20	living with a husband,	sống ở làng mạc,
	wife, or a girl, or boy,	sống với chồng

58:23	that little consciousness,	vợ hay con cái, nhận
		thức nhỏ xíu ấy

58:25	with all its problems,	với mọi vấn đề, dù bạn
		sống trong cộng đồng hạnh phúc

58:29	whether you live in a happy
	community or not a community,

58:33	whether you are living happily	hay không cộng đồng,
	with your wife,	dù bạn sống hạnh phúc

58:35	with your girl or whatever it is	với vợ con hay gì
	- happily in quotes -	khác, chữ hạnh phúc

58:40	that small particular	trong ngoặc kép, nhận
	consciousness	thức riêng nhỏ bé ấy

58:45	is the consciousness	là nhận thức
	of the rest of mankind,	của cả nhân loại

58:48	because they are all particular	bởi họ là tất cả nhận
	little consciousnesses.	thức nhỏ bé riêng tư.

58:52	I wonder	Bạn có thấy vậy không?
	if you see this.

58:54	So your consciousness	Vậy nhận thức bạn
	is not separate.	không riêng biệt.

59:01	I know one likes to think	Tôi biết bạn thích
	it is all special,	nghĩ nó đặc biệt

59:07	but our consciousness	Nhưng nhận thức

59:11	and its content	và tích chứa do suy nghĩ xếp đặt
	is put there by thought.	- phải không?

59:15	Right?

59:19	Thought has	Suy nghĩ tạo ra nhận
	brought about	thức giới hạn này.

59:21	this limited
	consciousness.

59:27	Now to observe this	Giờ quan sát nhận thức ấy
	consciousness,

59:33	however limited,	dù là giới hạn

59:38	to observe its activity	quan sát hoạt động
		nó mà không đường lối

59:41	without any direction,

59:44	just to observe,	chỉ quan sát

59:47	not choosing 'I will keep this	không chọn lựa 'tôi sẽ giữ
	part and let the other part go,'	phần này và bỏ phần kia'

59:50	just to observe	Chỉ quan sát toàn
	the whole content.	bộ tích chứa.

59:58	When you so observe,	Khi bạn quan sát vậy

1:00:01	which means there is	nghĩa là không có người
	no observer who is the past,	quan sát là quá khứ

1:00:07	then that consciousness	rồi nhận thức ấy
	has no centre.	không có trung tâm.

1:00:13	I wonder	Bạn có thấy vậy không?
	if you see this?

1:00:17	Our consciousness now	Nhận thức chúng ta là vị ngã
	is self-centred, right?	- phải không?

1:00:22	Me and my activities, me and	Tôi và hoạt động tôi, tôi và
	my problems, me and my job,	vấn đề tôi, tôi và việc tôi

1:00:28	me and my wife, me and	tôi và vợ tôi, tôi và
	my other wife, other girl,	vợ nọ hay con kia của tôi

1:00:32	me and so on,	tôi và v.v.., v.v.., v.v..
	so on, so on.

1:00:37	This consciousness is	Nhận thức là vận
	the movement of thought.	hành của suy nghĩ.

1:00:44	Thought has put in this	Suy nghĩ đặt vào nhận thức
	consciousness various activities:	các hoạt động khác nhau

1:00:50	belief, dogmas, rituals,	niềm tin, giáo điều,
	on the one hand	lễ lạy, ở mặt này

1:00:54	- you know, all that is	bạn biết mọi việc
	going on, called religion -	diễn ra, gọi là tôn giáo

1:00:57	and the business	và hoạt động kinh doanh,
	activity,	hoạt động quan hệ cá nhân

1:01:00	the activity
	of personal relationship

1:01:04	- grief, sorrow, pain,	buồn, khổ, đớn
	anxiety, guilt -	đau, âu lo, tội ác

1:01:08	you know, all that.	bạn biết, mọi thứ
		- tất thảy là nhận thức.

1:01:10	All that is
	our consciousness.

1:01:14	And that consciousness	Và nhận thức
	is the consciousness	ấy là nhận thức

1:01:17	of those people	của mọi người sống ở Nga
	living in Russia,	hay Ấn, Trung quốc hay Mỹ.

1:01:20	or India, or China,
	or America.

1:01:26	So, if one realises this	Vậy nếu bạn nhận ra

1:01:29	that we are part of	chúng ta là một
	the whole of humanity,	phần của cả nhân loại

1:01:35	not English, British	không phải Ăng lê, Anh, kịp không?
	- you follow? -	- mọi thứ ấy rời xa.

1:01:38	all that kind
	goes away.

1:01:41	Then we become	Rồi thì chúng ta
	extraordinarily responsible.	vô cùng trách nhiệm

1:01:47	Not to my little family,	Không phải với gia đình
		bé xíu mà cả nhân loại.

1:01:49	but to all human beings.

1:01:58	After all,	Sau cùng

1:02:01	that is love,	đó là tình
	isn't it?	thương, phải không?

1:02:06	To feel totally	Cảm thấy cả trách nhiệm
	responsible

1:02:12	for my children	con cái phải được
		dạy dỗ đúng đắn

1:02:15	who must be
	educated rightly,

1:02:21	not be conditioned to	không bị qui định vào kiểu
	a particular form of British outlook,	cách riêng của quan điểm Anh

1:02:25	or French outlook,	hay quan điểm Pháp

1:02:29	whether Russian, or totalitarian,	hay Nga hay Độc
	or whatever it is,	tài, hay gì khác

1:02:33	educated,	dạy để chúng trở
		thành con người tôn giáo.

1:02:35	so that they become
	religious human beings.

1:02:40	Because in that religion	Bởi tôn giáo ấy
	there is unity,	có thống nhất

1:02:46	which is not to be	mà không phải tổ chức.
	organised.

1:02:55	And right education implies	Và dạy dỗ đúng hàm
	that sense of freedom	chứa ý nghĩa tự do

1:03:00	from fear,	lìa sợ hãi, lìa quá lo
		lắng để hoàn thành, v.v..

1:03:02	from this terrible
	anxiety to fulfil,

1:03:08	and so on.

1:03:10	This is not the moment	Tìm hiểu dạy dỗ đúng
	to go into right education.	không phải lúc này.

1:03:13	So when one feels	Nên khi bạn cảm nhận

1:03:15	that one is representative	mình là đại diện
	of all humanity,	của cả nhân loại

1:03:20	then you become	bạn liền vô
	extraordinarily responsible	cùng trách nhiệm

1:03:28	to the whole	với toàn thể nhân loại, vì
	of mankind,	vậy sẽ không có chiến tranh.

1:03:31	therefore there
	will be no wars.

1:03:34	Oh, you don't see	Ồ, bạn không thấy vậy.
	all this.

1:03:39	There will be	Sẽ không có quốc gia.
	no nationalities.

1:03:44	That is actual	Đó là thực tế, bạn
	- you understand? -	biết, không phải lý thuyết

1:03:47	this is not a theory,

1:03:50	but when you feel	nhưng khi bạn cảm
		nhận nhận thức mình

1:03:51	that your consciousness
	is the rest of mankind,

1:03:57	because they suffer in India,	là toàn thể nhân loại,
	as well as you do here,	bởi họ đau khổ ở Ấn

1:04:01	in America,	cũng như bạn đau khổ
	and so on, so on.	ở đây, ở Mỹ, v.v..

1:04:03	So, our consciousness

1:04:06	is the consciousness	Nhận thức chúng ta
	of mankind,	là nhận thức nhân loại

1:04:10	and in the freeing of that	và trong khi quét sạch
	consciousness of its content	nhận thức của tích chứa

1:04:13	we have responsibility	chúng ta có trách
	to the whole.	nhiệm với toàn thể.

1:04:18	And that is essentially	Và cơ bản đó là bản chất
		của yêu thương và trắc ẩn.

1:04:20	the nature of love
	and compassion.

1:04:34	We are going to meet	Chúng ta sẽ gặp
	the day after tomorrow.	nhau vào ngày mốt.

1:04:39	Instead of having dialogues,	Thay vì nói chuyện
	or discussions,	và thảo luận

1:04:43	which we have tried all over	như đã làm khắp nơi
	the world at different times,	ở những lần khác

1:04:46	we thought	chúng ta nghĩ đặt câu
	it would be a good idea	hỏi chắc là ý hay.

1:04:50	to have questions.

1:04:55	Whatever question	Bất kỳ bạn muốn hỏi gì
	you want to ask,

1:04:59	then we will try	chúng ta sẽ cố gắng
	to answer each question.	trả lời từng câu.

1:05:02	That's on Tuesday	Vào sáng ngày Thứ ba.
	morning.