Krishnamurti_VI

Krishnamurti Subtitles

Ojai - 6 May 1980

Public Question & Answer 1

0:32	This is a question and	Đây là buổi hỏi và đáp.
	answer meeting.

0:42	About fifty questions and	Khoảng năm mươi câu hỏi được đưa đến
	more have been given

0:48	and we cannot possibly	và chúng ta không thể trả lời hết.
	answer all of them.

0:54	But we have chosen perhaps	Nhưng có lẽ sẽ chọn
	what might be representative	những câu tiêu biểu

1:01	of all these questions.	trong số đó.

1:07	We have been	Chúng ta đã cùng thảo luận
	talking over together

1:13	why human beings	tại sao con người

1:19	who have lived apparently	hình như đã sống

1:22	for millions	qua hàng triệu triệu năm
	and millions of years

1:25	have not been able	mà không thể giải quyết xung đột
	to solve their conflicts

1:32	both outwardly	cả bên trong lẫn bên ngoài,
	and inwardly,

1:35	why they are destroying	tại sao họ huỷ hoại trái đất,
	the earth, polluting the air,	nhiễm ô không khí,

1:42	why human beings are becoming	tại sao con người ngày
	more and more cruel, violent.	càng hung tợn, bạo hành.

1:49	And apparently none of these	Và hình như không vấn đề
	questions have been resolved.	nào được giải quyết.

1:57	We are supposed to be highly	Chúng ta tự cho là
	civilised human beings	người văn minh cao

2:02	and one begins to doubt	và bạn nên bắt đầu hỏi lại xem.
	whether we are.

2:07	And these questions	Và các vấn đề được hỏi đây
	that we have been put

2:13	perhaps	có lẽ khi trả lời chúng
	by answering them

2:18	we might begin	chúng ta sẽ bắt đầu hiểu
	to understand

2:23	a way of living which	một lối sống có
	might be totally different.	thể hoàn toàn khác.

2:41	First question: 'What is	Câu thứ nhất:
	the significance of history	'Ý nghĩa lịch sử là gì

2:45	in the education	trong giáo dục lớp trẻ?'
	of the young?'

2:48	'What is the significance	'Ý nghĩa lịch sử là gì
	of history

2:52	in the education	trong giáo dục lớp trẻ?
	of the young?'

3:03	I think, if one has read	Tôi nghĩ, nếu bạn đọc
	history books, it's fairly clear	sách lịch sử, rõ ràng

3:10	that man has struggled	con người đấu tranh
	against nature, conquered it,	với tự nhiên, thắng nó,

3:20	destroying it, polluting	phá huỷ nó, nhiễm ô
	everything that he touches.	mọi vật hắn chạm đến.

3:26	There have been	Có chiến tranh, vua chúa,
	wars, kings,

3:31	Renaissance,	Phục hưng, kỹ nghệ hóa,
	industrialisation,

3:36	and man's struggle	và con người đấu tranh để tự do,
	to be free, and yet

3:42	he becomes a slave	rồi trở thành nô lệ cho học viện,
	to institutions,

3:49	organisations, and he tries	tổ chức, và lại
	to break away from them	cố thoát khỏi chúng

3:55	but again forms	nhưng rồi lại lập học viện khác,
	another series of institutions,

4:00	another series	tổ chức khác.
	of organisations.

4:03	So this everlasting struggle	Vậy là đấu tranh mãi cho tự do.
	to be free.

4:11	That probably is	Đó có lẽ là lịch sử nhân loại,
	the history of mankind,

4:15	according to books.	theo sách vỡ.

4:19	And also the tribal wars,	Và cũng chiến tranh bộ lạc,

4:25	the feudal wars,	chiến tranh phong kiến, nam tước,
	the baronial wars,

4:30	the wars of the kings,	chiến tranh vua chúa,
	nations, it is still going on.	quốc gia, đang tiếp diễn.

4:36	This tribal mind	Trí óc bộ lạc ấy

4:43	which has become	trở thành

4:45	national, sophisticated mind	trí óc quốc gia, trí thức

4:48	but it is still the	nhưng vẫn là trí óc bộ lạc.
	tribal mind.

4:54	And that's what more or less	Và đó là điều ít nhiều
	- perhaps we are rather	- có lẽ chúng ta

4:58	simplifying - the history,	đơn giản đôi chút -
	with the culture	lịch sử, với văn hóa

5:05	music, painting, you know,	âm nhạc, tranh ảnh,
	the whole thing.	bạn biết đó, mọi thứ.

5:09	How is all that to be	Làm sao mọi cái đó
	taught to the young?	được dạy cho lớp trẻ?

5:17	Surely history is the	Dĩ nhiên lịch sử là
	story of mankind.	chuyện về con người.

5:27	Mankind, the human being	Loài người, con người trải qua
	who has gone through

5:33	all kinds of suffering,	mọi thứ đau khổ,
	through various diseases	nhiều loại bịnh tật

5:39	through wars, through religious	chiến tranh, niềm tin và
	beliefs and dogmas, persecution,	giáo điều tôn giáo, hành hạ,

5:49	inquisition, torture,	điều tra, tra tấn,
	in the name of God,	nhân danh Thượng đế,

5:53	in the name of peace,	nhân danh hoà bình, nhân danh ý hệ.
	in the name of ideals.

5:58	And how is all that	Và làm sao mọi thứ đó
	to be taught to the young?	được dạy cho lớp trẻ?

6:05	That is the question.	Đó là vấn đề.

6:10	If it is the story of mankind,	Nếu đó là câu chuyện loài người,
	the story of human beings,	chuyện con người,

6:18	then both the educator and the	mà cả nhà giáo dục và
	young are the human beings.	lớp trẻ là con người.

6:26	It is their story!	Là chuyện của họ!

6:29	?ot the story of kings and wars,	Không phải về vua và
	it is their story.	chiến tranh, chuyện của họ.

6:34	That is, the story of	Tức, chuyện về
	themselves! Right?	chính họ! Phải không?

6:42	Now can the educator help	Vậy nhà giáo dục có thể
	the student to understand	giúp học sinh hiểu

6:56	the story of himself?	chuyện về chính chúng?

6:59	I don't know if you	Không biết bạn có theo kịp không.
	are following all this.

7:02	The story, the past	Câu chuyện, quá khứ
	of which he is the result.	mà kết quả là hắn.

7:13	Right?	Phải không?

7:14	So can the educator help the	Vậy nhà giáo có thể giúp
	student to understand himself	học sinh hiểu chính mình

7:22	because he is the story.	bởi chúng là câu chuyện.

7:25	That is the problem.	Đó là vấn đề.

7:28	Would you agree to that?	Bạn đồng ý chứ?

7:33	That is, if you are the educator	Tức, nếu bạn là nhà giáo
	and I am the student,	và tôi là học sinh,

7:42	how would you help me	làm sao bạn giúp tôi, học sinh trẻ,
	as a young student

7:50	understand the whole nature	hiểu toàn bộ bản chất
	and structure of myself?	và cấu trúc chính tôi?

7:56	Myself being	Chính tôi là toàn thể nhân loại.
	the whole of humanity.

8:02	My brain is the result	Não tôi là kết quả
	of many million years.	của nhiều triệu năm.

8:08	How would you help me	Làm sao bạn giúp tôi hiểu
	to understand myself, the story,	chính tôi, câu chuyện,

8:16	the past - which is all in me -	quá khứ - toàn bộ trong tôi -
	the violence, the competition	bạo lực, tranh đua

8:28	the aggressiveness,	hung hăng, bạo tàn, bạo lực,
	the brutality, the violence,

8:34	the cruelty, the fear,	độc ác, sợ hãi, thú vui,
	the pleasure, occasional joy	niềm vui hiếm hoi

8:41	and that slight	và thoáng hương yêu thương.
	perfume of love.

8:47	How will you help me	Làm sao bạn giúp tôi hiểu hết?
	to understand all this?

8:55	Which means the educator	Nghĩa là nhà giáo dục
	must also understand this.	cũng phải hiểu nó.

9:02	He is also understanding	Anh ta cũng hiểu chính mình
	himself - right?	- phải không?

9:08	And so helping me, the student,	Và giúp tôi, học sinh,
	to understand myself.	hiểu chính tôi.

9:14	So it is a communication	Vậy đó là trao đổi giữa
	between the teacher and myself	thầy giáo và tôi

9:24	and, in that process	và, trong tiến trình trao đổi ấy,
	of communication,

9:29	he is understanding	anh ta hiểu chính mình
	himself

9:32	and helping me	và giúp tôi hiểu chính tôi.
	to understand myself.

9:35	I wonder if you see.	Bạn có thấy vậy không.

9:37	It's not that the teacher	Không phải thầy giáo
	or the educator	hay nhà giáo dục

9:41	must first understand	phải hiểu mình trước rồi dạy lại
	himself and then teach

9:45	- that would take the rest	- đó có lẽ mất cả đời anh ta -
	of his life, perhaps -

9:50	but in the relationship	mà trong quan hệ giữa nhà giáo dục
	between the educator

10:00	and the person	và người được dạy
	to be educated

10:06	there is a relationship	có sự quan hệ về
	of mutual investigation.	tìm tòi hỗ tương.

10:13	Can this be done with the young	Đó có thể được làm với trẻ,
	child, with the young student?	với học sinh trẻ?

10:21	And in what manner	Và cách nào bạn bắt đầu?
	would you set about it?

10:25	That's the question,	Đó là vấn đề, phải không?
	right?

10:29	Are you interested in this?	Bạn thích chứ?
	Q: Yes.	Q: Vâng.

10:33	K: How would you,	K: Bạn, bậc cha mẹ, làm sao đi sâu?
	as a parent, go into this?

10:40	How would you help	Làm sao bạn giúp đỡ con cái,
	your child, your boy or a girl,	trai hay gái,

10:44	to understand the whole nature	hiểu toàn bộ bản chất
	and structure of his mind,	và cấu trúc của trí óc,

10:50	of his desires, of his fears	của dục vọng, sợ hãi
	- you follow? -	- kịp không? -

10:54	the whole momentum	cả quán tính của đời sống?
	of life?

11:04	Don't look at me!	Đừng nhìn tôi!
	(Laughter)	(Cười)

11:09	How would you	Làm sao bạn xử sự với nó?
	deal with it?

11:15	Don't say immediately	Đừng vội nói chúng ta
	we must have love	phải yêu thương

11:17	and all that kind of stuff.	và mọi thứ lộn xộn.

11:24	But it is a great problem	Nhưng đó là vấn đề lớn

11:28	and are we prepared	và chúng ta, như cha mẹ và
	as parents

11:33	and teachers to bring about	thầy giáo có sửa soạn tạo ra
	a new generation of people?	thế hệ con người mới?

11:43	That's what is implied.	Đó là việc hàm ý.

11:46	A totally different	Một thế hệ con người
	generation of people,	hoàn toàn khác,

11:50	totally different	trí óc tâm hồn hoàn toàn khác.
	mind and heart.

11:57	Are we prepared	Chúng ta có sửa soạn cho việc ấy?
	for that?

12:02	If you are a parent	Nếu là cha mẹ, vì lợi ích
	would you give up,

12:08	for the sake of your daughter	con cái, bạn có từ bỏ
	and son,

12:12	drink, cigarettes,	rượu, thuốc lá,

12:16	pot - you know,	cần sa - toàn bộ con đường ma tuý -
	the whole drug culture -

12:23	and see that both	và nhìn thấy cả
	the parent and the child	cha mẹ lẫn con cái

12:27	are good human beings?	đều là người tốt?

12:33	The word 'good'	Chữ 'tốt' trong nghĩa đúng đắn,
	means well-fitting,

12:45	psychologically	về tâm lý, không va chạm,
	without any friction,

12:52	well-fitting like a good door.	đúng đắn như cánh cửa tốt.
	You understand?	Hiểu không?

12:57	Like a good motor.	Như máy móc tốt.

13:01	But also good means	Nhưng tốt cũng nghĩa toàn thể,
	whole,

13:06	not broken up,	không vỡ vụn, không manh mún.
	not fragmented.

13:12	So are we, the elder people,	Vậy, người lớn chúng ta
	prepared	có sửa soạn

13:18	to bring about	qua giáo dục, tạo ra
	through education

13:25	a good human being,	con người tốt,

13:29	a human being	người không sợ hãi.
	who is not afraid.

13:38	Afraid of his neighbour,	Sợ hãi láng giềng, sợ tương lai,
	afraid of the future,

13:44	afraid of so many, many things,	sợ quá nhiều thứ,
	disease, poverty - fear.	bịnh, nghèo - sợ hãi.

13:52	And also are we prepared,	Và chúng ta có sửa soạn,
	in the search of the good	khi tìm cái tốt

13:59	or in establishing the good,	hay xây dựng cái tốt,
	prepared or help the child	có sửa soạn hay giúp trẻ

14:06	and ourselves to be...	và chính mình thành...toàn thể.
	integral.

14:12	Integrity.	Toàn thể.

14:21	The word 'integrity'	Chữ 'toàn thể' là toàn bộ.
	means to be whole.

14:26	And integrity also means	Và toàn thể cũng nghĩa
	to say what you mean and hold it,	bạn nói và giữ lời,

14:33	not say one thing	không nói này mà làm nọ.
	and do something else.

14:39	Integrity implies	Toàn thể hàm ý chân thành.
	honesty.

14:48	And are we prepared	Và chúng ta có sửa soạn việc đó?
	for that?

14:55	Can we be honest	Có thể chân thành không
	if we have got any illusions,	khi có ảo tưởng,

15:05	any romantic, speculative	ý niệm huyền hoặc hay lý tưởng.
	ideas, or ideals.

15:15	If we have strong beliefs,	Nếu có niềm tin mạnh mẽ,
	can we be honest?	có thể chân thành?

15:23	You may be honest	Bạn có thể chân thật với niềm tin
	to the belief

15:29	but that doesn't imply	nhưng đó không hàm ý toàn thể.
	integrity.

15:36	Are we prepared	Có sửa soạn cho mọi cái đó?
	for all this?

15:43	Or we bring children	Hay đem con cái vào đời,
	into the world,

15:50	spoil them	làm hỏng chúng đến tuổi 2 hay 3
	till they are 2 or 3

15:54	and then	và rồi ném chúng cho chó sói.
	throw them to the wolves.

15:58	Right?	Phải không?

16:02	Prepare them for war	Chuẩn bị chúng cho chiến tranh

16:06	- you know what is	- bạn biết việc xảy ra trên đời.
	happening in the world.

16:11	That's why history	Đó là lý do lịch sử
	has not taught human beings.	không dạy con người.

16:20	How many mothers	Bao nhiêu bà mẹ phải kêu gào,
	must have cried,

16:25	their sons being killed	con họ bị giết trong
	in wars - you understand?	chiến tranh - hiểu không?

16:29	And yet we are	Và vậy mà chúng ta không thể dừng
	incapable of stopping

16:34	this monstrous movement	vận hành khủng khiếp
	of killing each other.	giết chóc nhau ấy.

16:41	So if you are	Vậy nếu phải dạy cho lớp trẻ
	to teach the young

16:48	one must have in oneself	bạn phải có trong chính
	this sense of...	mình cảm giác...

16:52	the demand of the good.	đòi hỏi cái tốt.

16:56	Good is not an ideal,	Tốt không phải lý tưởng,
	you understand?	hiểu không?

17:02	If we translate the good,	Nếu diễn giải cái tốt,
	which is to be whole,	nó là toàn thể,

17:08	to have integrity, to have	là tổng thể, không sợ hãi,
	no fear, not to be confused.	không rối loạn.

17:21	These are not ideals,	Đó không phải lý tưởng,
	they are facts.	là thực tế.

17:26	You understand?	Hiểu không? Vậy
	So can we be factual!	chúng ta có thể thực tế!

17:33	And so bring about a good	Và vậy tạo ra con người tốt
	human being through education.	qua giáo dục.

17:46	If we say, yes, then what will	Nếu nói, vâng, thì bậc cha mẹ
	the parent - and you - do about it?	- và bạn - sẽ làm gì?

17:54	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

17:56	What is	Bạn trách nhiệm gì?
	your responsibility?

18:00	Because probably	Bởi có thể bạn có con cái.
	you have children.

18:06	If you have, then what?	Nếu có thì gì nào?

18:09	You understand	Bạn hiểu vấn đề không?
	the problem?

18:15	So one asks, do we really	Vậy hỏi, chúng ta có thực sự
	want a different culture,	muốn văn hóa khác,

18:23	a different human being with	con người khác với
	a mind that is not confused,	trí óc không rối loạn,

18:30	that has no fear,	không sợ hãi,

18:35	that has	có đặc tính toàn thể?
	this quality of integrity?

18:43	I hope I have answered	Hy vọng tôi đã trả lời câu hỏi.
	that question.

18:52	Second question: 'Why is knowledge	Câu thứ hai: 'Tại sao
	always incomplete?	kiến thức luôn bất toàn?

19:02	When one is observing, is one	Khi quan sát, bạn có
	aware that one is observing	biết mình đang quan sát

19:09	or only aware of the	hay chỉ biết vật được quan sát?
	thing being observed?

19:16	Does awareness	Nhận biết đưa đến phân tích?
	lead to analysis?

19:22	What is psychological	Kiến thức tâm lý là gì?'
	knowledge?'

19:27	I'll read it again.	Tôi sẽ đọc lại.

19:30	'Why is knowledge - as you	'Tại sao kiến thức -
	said - always incomplete?	bạn nói - luôn bất toàn?

19:38	When one is observing, is one	Khi quan sát, bạn có
	aware that one is observing	biết mình đang quan sát

19:46	or only aware	hay chỉ biết vật được quan sát?
	of the thing being observed?

19:52	Does awareness	Nhận biết đưa đến phân tích?
	lead to analysis?

19:56	What is psychological	Kiến thức tâm lý là gì?'
	knowledge?'

20:06	Whom do you expect to answer	Bạn mong ai trả lời
	these questions? (Laughter)	mấy câu này? (Cười)

20:21	The Delphic Oracle (laughter),	Tiên tri Delphy (cười),
	the highly elevated priests,	thầy tu cao cấp nhất,

20:35	the astrologers,	chiêm tinh gia, thầy bói,
	the soothsayers,

20:43	the reading of tea	đọc lá trà! (Cười)
	leaves! (Laughter)

20:51	Whom do you expect	Bạn mong ai trả lời câu này?
	to answer this question?

20:56	But if you are not expecting	Nhưng nếu bạn không
	anyone to answer this question,	mong ai trả lời câu này,

21:02	since you have	bởi bạn đặt câu hỏi, thì
	put this question,

21:05	can we talk it over	chúng ta có thể thảo luận chứ?
	together?

21:08	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

21:10	Talk it over together, not that	Cùng thảo luận, không
	the speaker will answer it	phải người nói trả lời

21:15	and then you accept it	và rồi bạn chấp nhận hay không
	or deny it

21:19	and go home dissatisfied, saying,	rồi về nhà không hài lòng,
	'I have wasted my morning'.	nói 'tôi đã phí buổi sáng'.

21:26	But if we could, seriously,	Nhưng nếu có thể nghiêm
	talk over these questions	túc thảo luận câu hỏi

21:37	so that we both penetrate	để chúng ta cùng đào sâu vấn đề.
	into the problem.

21:43	Then it will be	Rồi sẽ là lời đáp của bạn.
	your own answer.

21:49	Not the answer of someone	Không phải lời đáp của ai

21:52	who has answered	đã trả lời câu hỏi
	these questions

21:54	and you have heard,	và bạn nghe, nên
	it is not yours then.	không phải của bạn.

22:01	You understand?	Hiểu không? Như người có ung thư.
	Like a man having cancer.

22:09	You can talk about cancer	Bạn có thể nói về ung thư
	- who hasn't got it.	- bạn không bị.

22:14	But if you have got it	Nhưng nếu bạn bị,
	you are involved in it,	bạn dính trong đó,

22:17	there is pain, there is anxiety,	có đau đớn, lo âu, sợ hãi.
	there is fear.

22:25	So can we talk over	Vậy có thể thảo luận
	these questions, all of them,	mấy câu hỏi, tất cả,

22:32	not just this one but also	không chỉ câu này mà cả câu trước.
	the previous question.

22:37	'Why is knowledge always	'Tại sao kiến thức luôn
	incomplete, as you said?'	bất toàn, bạn nói?'

22:47	What is knowledge?	Kiến thức là gì?

22:52	What do we mean	Ý chúng ta là gì
	when we say, 'I know'?	khi nói, 'tôi biết'?

22:59	Please go into it with me,	Hãy cùng tìm hiểu với
	together, slowly.	tôi, chầm chậm.

23:03	When I say, 'I know mathematics'	Khi nói, 'tôi biết toán' hay
	or 'I know medicine, surgery',	'tôi biết y học, giải phẫu'.

23:17	and also I know... through	và cũng biết... qua kinh nghiệm,
	experience, gathered some facts.	gom lại vài sự kiện.

23:28	So when we say, I know, we know,	Vậy khi nói, tôi biết,
	what do we mean by that?	chúng ta biết, là ý gì?

23:38	You are following	Bạn theo kịp câu hỏi không? Biết.
	my question? To know.

23:42	You may say I know my wife	Bạn có thể nói tôi biết vợ
	or my husband	hay chồng tôi

23:48	or my girl, girlfriend,	hay bạn gái, hoặc bạn trai.
	or boy.

23:52	Do you really know them?	Thực bạn biết họ không?
	Can you ever know them?	Bạn có thể biết họ ư?

23:58	Please follow this	Hãy theo dõi từng bước.
	step by step.

24:02	Or you have,	Hay bạn có, như đã nói hôm nọ,
	as we said the other day,

24:06	an image about them.	hình ảnh về họ.

24:10	Is the image the fact?	Hình ảnh là thực tế?

24:15	You understand	Bạn hiểu lời tôi không?
	what I am saying?

24:19	Are we meeting	Chúng ta hiểu nhau chứ?
	each other?

24:24	So the word 'know' is very,	Vậy chữ 'biết' rất
	very limited. Right?	giới hạn. Phải không?

24:35	And the knowledge that has	Và kiến thức đạt được qua khoa học
	been acquired through science

24:45	not only the	chỉ là về mặt kỹ thuật
	technological side of it

24:48	but also scientists are trying	nhưng nhà khoa học cũng
	to find out through matter	cố tìm tòi qua vật chất

24:55	what is beyond,	cái thế giới khác,

25:01	what is the origin	nguồn gốc mọi thứ là gì.
	of all this.

25:07	And they have accumulated	Và họ tích luỹ vô số kiến thức
	great deal of knowledge

25:12	and what is beyond they have	và đến nay họ chưa hề
	never been able to find out so far.	tìm ra thế giới khác ấy.

25:18	So knowledge, according to	Vậy kiến thức, theo khoa học,
	science, is limited, is narrow,	là giới hạn, hạn hẹp,

25:27	therefore there is knowledge and	vì vậy kiến thức và
	ignorance always going together.	dốt nát luôn đi chung.

25:34	The ignorance which is,	Dốt nát, là không biết,
	not knowing,

25:39	and the knowing, they both	và biết, chúng luôn đi cùng nhau.
	go together always.

25:44	Right? I think that	Phải không? Tôi nghĩ
	is fairly clear.	vậy là khá rõ.

25:50	But to answer a little bit	Nhưng để trả lời thêm
	more further, which is:	chút nữa, tức là:

25:58	scientists say	nhà khoa học nói qua
	through matter they will find	vật chất họ sẽ tìm ra

26:01	that which may be	cái có thể là thế giới khác.
	beyond.

26:03	We, human beings,	Con người là vật chất.
	are matter.

26:10	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

26:11	Why don't we go through this	Tại sao không vượt qua
	rather than through that?	này hơn là vượt qua kia?

26:16	You understand what	Bạn hiểu lời tôi nói chứ?
	I am saying?

26:18	You follow what	Bạn theo kịp lời tôi không?
	I am saying?

26:21	Are we talking together?	Chúng ta cùng nói chuyện chứ?

26:25	Because if the mind	Bởi nếu trí óc có thể
	can go through itself,	vượt qua chính nó,

26:31	the possibility of coming upon	khả năng nắm bắt nguồn cội của
	that which is the origin

26:37	of all things is much more	mọi vật có lẽ nhiều
	likely than the other.	hơn việc khác.

26:42		Tôi không biết...

26:46	So to know oneself	Vậy biết mình luôn giới hạn.
	is always limited.

26:54	I don't know	Không biết bạn theo kịp không.
	if you follow this.

26:57	If I say, I must know myself,	Nếu nói, tôi phải biết tôi, tôi
	I can study psychology,	có thể nghiên cứu tâm học,

27:03	I can discuss with the	tôi có thể thảo luận với nhà
	psychologists, psychoanalysts,	tâm lý học, phân tích tâm lý,

27:08	psychotherapists, psycho-biologists	nhà tâm lý trị liệu,
	and so on, so on, so on.	tâm lý sinh học, v.v..

27:14	But it is always limited.	Nhưng vẫn giới hạn.

27:19	Whereas if	Trong khi nếu tôi hiểu tôi,
	I understand myself,

27:26	penetrate into this entity	đào sâu thực thể gọi là tôi
	called myself

27:35	there is the possibility	thì có khả năng vô tận
	of going infinitely beyond	vào thế giới khác

27:39	which we are going to discuss	mà chúng ta sẽ thảo luận
	and perhaps	và có thể

27:42	we may be able to go beyond	chúng ta vào thế giới khác
	during the next talks	trong buổi tới

27:50	because it is a very	bởi đó là điều rất quan trọng.
	important thing.

27:54	Because otherwise life	Bởi ngược lại đời sống
	has very little meaning	quá ít ý nghĩa

28:00	- you understand? -	- hiểu không? - tự nhiên thôi.
	naturally.

28:02	Our life is pleasure, pain,	Cuộc đời là thú vui, đau khổ,
	you know the whole cycle of it,	bạn biết vòng lẩn quẩn,

28:07	reward and punishment,	thưởng và phạt, đó là
	that's the pattern in which we live.	khuôn mẫu chúng ta sống.

28:12	And that pattern	Và khuôn mẫu ấy tạo kiến thức
	has created the knowledge

28:20	which psychologically	chúng ta nắm nó về tâm lý.
	we have acquired.

28:23	That knowledge which	Kiến thức chúng ta nắm ấy
	we have acquired

28:27	created the pattern	tạo khuôn mẫu
	in which we are caught.	chúng ta kẹt trong đó.

28:32	Right?	Phải không?

28:33	So knowledge, whether it	Vậy kiến thức, dù là
	is biological, medicine,	sinh học, y học,

28:39	science, must always be	khoa học, luôn phải giới hạn.
	limited. That's simple. Right?	Đơn giản. Phải không?

28:47	'When one is observing, is one	'Khi quan sát, bạn có biết
	aware that one is observing	mình đang quan sát

28:54	or only aware of the	hay chỉ biết vật được quan sát?
	thing being observed?

28:59	Does the awareness	Nhận biết đưa đến phân tích?'
	lead to analysis?'

29:05	First of all let us	Trước hết hãy cùng thảo luận
	talk over together

29:10	what do we mean	ý chúng ta quan sát là gì.
	by observing.

29:20	There is visual observation	Có quan sát thị giác
	- the tree - the hearing	- cây cối - nghe

29:30	not only hearing with the ear	không chỉ nghe bằng tai
	but also hearing inwardly.	mà nghe cả bên trong.

29:39	You follow?	Kịp không? Bạn biết mà.
	You know this.

29:46	So when we observe	Vậy khi quan sát chúng ta
	do we really observe at all?	có thực sự quan sát?

29:53	Or we observe	Hay chúng ta quan sát với từ ngữ.
	with the word.

30:00	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không? Theo kịp không?
	Are you following this?

30:04	That is,	Tức là, tôi quan sát vật này
	I observe that thing

30:09	and I say, 'tree'	và nói, 'cây'
	so I observe with the word.	vậy tôi quan sát với từ ngữ.

30:15	I don't know if you are	Không biết bạn theo
	following this. Right, sir?	kịp không. Phải không?

30:19	There is an observation	Có sự quan sát với từ ngữ.
	with the word.

30:26	So can we find out	Vậy có thể tìm ra
	to observe without the word?	quan sát không từ ngữ?

30:32	You understand	Bạn hiểu tôi nói gì không?
	what I'm saying?

30:38	Right? Are we	Phải không? Cùng tiếp tục chứ?
	proceeding together?

30:44	So the word has become all	Vậy từ ngữ thành ra quá
	important rather than the seeing.	quan trọng hơn nhìn.

30:53	Right?	Phải không?

30:57	We observe, if we have	Chúng ta quan sát,
	a wife or a husband,	nếu có vợ hay chồng,

31:02	with all the memory, pictures,	với mọi ký ức, hình ảnh,
	sensations, the irritations	cảm giác, nổi giận

31:08	and so on, of each other,	v.v.., của mỗi người,
	so we never observe!	nên không hề quan sát!

31:18	So, next step is:	Vậy, bước tiếp là:
	can we observe a person	có thể quan sát người

31:22	with whom we have lived,	mà chúng ta cùng sống

31:27	without the image, without	mà không có hình, không ảnh,
	the picture, without the idea?	không ý niệm?

31:35	Can you do it?	Bạn có thể làm?

31:48	Perhaps we are able	Có lẽ chúng ta
	to perceive that thing	có thể nhận biết vật

31:54	which we call the tree without	chúng ta gọi là cây mà
	the word, that's fairly easy.	không từ ngữ, đó khá dễ.

32:00	If you have gone into it,	Nếu bạn tìm hiểu, đó khá dễ.
	that's fairly easy.

32:04	But to observe a person	Nhưng quan sát một người
	with whom you have lived	chúng ta cùng sống

32:14	and observe without the accumulation	và quan sát không có
	of memory about that person.	tích chứa ký ức về người đó.

32:28	If you have gone into it,	Nếu bạn tìm hiểu,
	if you are interested in it...	nếu bạn thích thú...

32:35	No, first of all, this observation	Không, trước hết, quan sát qua hình,
	through the image,

32:44	through the picture, through the	qua ảnh, qua cảm giác, v.v..
	sensations and all the rest of it,

32:48	through this accumulated memory,	qua ký ức tích chứa,
	is no relationship at all.	là không quan hệ gì hết.

32:55	It is a relationship of one	Đó là quan hệ của
	picture with another picture	hình này với ảnh kia

33:01	and that's what	và chúng ta gọi đó là quan hệ.
	we call relationship.

33:05	But when you examine it	Nhưng khi bạn xem xét kỹ
	closely it is not relationship.	đó không phải quan hệ.

33:10	It is my idea	Đó là ý niệm của bạn và của tôi.
	and your idea.

33:15	So can we, in the	Vậy có thể, khi quan sát,
	observation,

33:28	not make an abstraction of	không làm trừu tượng
	what we observe as an idea?	vật quan sát như ý niệm?

33:34	You are following	Bạn theo kịp không?
	all this?

33:39	Don't be puzzled, sirs. You are	Đừng bối rối. Bạn không
	not used to all this, are you?	quen việc này, phải không?

33:49	So this is what we mean	Vậy đây là cái chúng ta nói
	by psychological knowledge.	kiến thức tâm lý.

33:55	That is, I have built up	Tức là, tôi dựng lên về tâm lý
	psychologically

34:03	great deal of information	quá nhiều thông tin về vợ
	about my wife

34:09	if I have a wife,	nếu tôi có vợ, hay bạn gái.
	or a girlfriend.

34:12	I have built up	Tôi dựng lên kiến thức về cô ta,
	this knowledge about her,

34:18	correctly or incorrectly,	đúng hay sai, tuỳ theo cảm xúc tôi,
	depending on my sensitivity,

34:26	depending on my ambition,	tuỳ theo tham vọng,
	greed, envy and all that,	tham lam, ghen tị, v.v..

34:30	depending on	tuỳ theo hoạt động vị ngã của tôi.
	my self-centred activity.

34:34	You are following	Bạn theo kịp không?
	all this?

34:37	So that knowledge is preventing	Vậy là kiến thức ngăn cản
	actual observation of the person	quan sát thực tế về con người

34:49	which is a living thing.	là vật sống động. Phải không?
	Right?

34:54	So I never want to meet that	Vậy tôi không hề muốn gặp
	living thing because I am afraid.	vật sống động bởi tôi sợ.

35:01	It is much safer to have	Quá an toàn có
	an image about that person	hình ảnh về người đó

35:05	rather than to see	hơn là nhìn vật sống.
	the living thing.

35:08	Right?	Phải không? Bạn theo kịp không?
	You are following this?

35:13	So my psychological knowledge	Vậy kiến thức tâm lý sẽ ngăn cản
	is going to prevent

35:19	pure observation.	thuần quan sát.

35:25	So can one	Vậy bạn có thể bỏ nó?
	be free of that?

35:30	You follow?	Kịp không?

35:34	Can the machinery that builds	Máy xây dựng hình ảnh
	these images come to an end?	có thể dừng lại?

35:46	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

35:55	Then you will say,	Rồi bạn sẽ nói,'Làm sao dừng?'
	'How am I to end it?'

35:59	Right?	Phải không?

36:00	'I have got an image about	'Tôi có hình ảnh về bạn bè
	my friend - or whatever it is -	- hay gì gì -

36:06	and it is there,	và nó đó, như
	like a tremendous fact,	một thực tế dữ dội,

36:13	like a stone	như hòn đá đeo cổ.
	round my neck.

36:18	How am I to throw it away?'	Làm sao tôi quăng đi?' Phải không?
	Right?

36:31	Is the stone - the image -	Hòn đá - hình ảnh -
	(laughs) round one's neck	(cười) đeo cổ bạn

36:37	different from the observer?	có khác với người quan sát?
	I am going slowly into this.	Tôi sẽ từ từ đến đó.

36:43	Is that image, that weight	Hình ảnh, vật nặng đeo cổ bạn,
	round your neck,

36:52	is that different from the observer	có khác với người quan sát
	who says, 'I have an image'?	nói, 'tôi có hình ảnh'?

37:01	I wonder if you catch.	Không biết bạn hiểu không.

37:02	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question, sir?

37:04	Meet me, sir,	Nào, cùng thảo luận đi.
	let's talk together, move.

37:14	Is the observer who says,	Người quan sát nói,
	'I have the image'	'tôi có hình ảnh'

37:19	and says, 'How am I	và nói, 'Làm sao bỏ nó?'
	to get rid of it?'

37:23	is that observer different from	người quan sát có khác
	the thing he has observed?	với vật hắn quan sát?

37:29	You follow?	Kịp không? Dĩ nhiên không.
	Obviously not.

37:37	Right?	Phải không?

37:45	So the observer	Vậy người quan sát
	is the image-maker.	là kẻ tạo hình ảnh.

37:51	I wonder if you see that.	Không biết bạn có thấy vậy.

37:55	Right?	Phải không? Bạn hiểu không?
	Do you meet this?

38:00	So what is the observer?	Vậy người quan sát là gì?

38:07	Who is this observer	Ai là người quan sát tạo hình ảnh
	that is making the image

38:12	and then separating	và phân chia hắn với hình ảnh
	himself from the image

38:16	and then saying,	rồi nói, 'Tôi phải làm gì đây?'
	'What am I to do about it?'

38:24	You understand?	Hiểu không? Chúng ta sống vậy đó.
	That is the way we live.

38:31	That's the pattern of our action	Đó là khuôn chúng ta
	and that's our conditioning	hành động và là qui định

38:39	to which we are so accustomed,	chúng ta quen thuộc,
	we so naturally accept.	chấp nhận quá tự nhiên.

38:46	So we are saying something	Đây chúng ta nói điều
	entirely different	hoàn toàn khác biệt

38:48	which is: the observer	là: người quan sát là
	is the observed.	vật quan quan sát.

38:56	Let me go into it	Hãy để tôi đi sâu một chút.
	a little more.

38:58	I observe the tree but I am	Tôi quan sát cây nhưng
	not the tree - thank God!	tôi không là cây - lạy Trời!

39:04	That would be too stupid	Thật quá ngốc khi nói, 'tôi là cây'
	to say, 'I am the tree'

39:08	or I have identified myself	hay đồng hóa tôi với cây, v.v..
	with the tree, and so on, so on.

39:15	All this process	Mọi tiến trình đồng hóa vẫn là
	of identification is still

39:19	the observer trying to be	người quan sát cố gắng
	something, or become something.	là gì, hay trở thành gì.

39:24	So we have to enquire	Vậy phải tìm hiểu
	into what is the observer,	người quan sát là gì,

39:28	who is the observer.	ai là người quan sát.

39:33	The observer is the result	Người quan sát là kết quả
	of all the past knowledge.	của kiến thức cũ.

39:39	Right? His experience,	Phải không? Kinh nghiệm, kiến thức,
	his knowledge,

39:43	his memories, his fears,	ký ức, sợ hãi, lo âu - quá khứ.
	his anxieties - the past.

39:50	So the observer is always	Vậy người quan sát luôn
	living in the past.	sống trong quá khứ.

39:57	If you have noticed,	Nếu để ý, có thể quan sát
	you can watch it in yourself.	nó trong chính bạn.

40:00	And he is modifying himself	Và hắn luôn tự canh cải,
	all the time, meeting the present	gặp hiện tại

40:08	but still rooted in the past.	nhưng vẫn kẹt quá khứ. Phải không?
	Right?

40:14	So there is this movement	Vậy, có vận hành của
	of time, which is the past	thời gian, là qua khứ

40:20	modifying itself in the present,	tự canh cải ở hiện tại,
	going on to the future.	tiếp tục đến tương lai.

40:25	This is the momentum	Đó là quán tính hay
	or the movement of time.	vận hành thời gian.

40:30	I won't go into that	Tôi không đi sâu lúc này.
	for the moment.

40:34	So when we observe, we are	Vậy khi quan sát, chúng ta
	observing through the image	quan sát qua hình ảnh

40:39	which we have created about	mà chúng ta đã tạo về
	that thing, or that person.	vật đó, hay người đó.

40:45	Can we observe that	Có thể quan sát vật
	thing without the word	mà không từ ngữ

40:51	and can we observe the person	và có thể quan sát người
	without the image?	mà không hình ảnh?

41:00	That means can the observer	Nghĩa là người quan sát
	be absent in observation.	vắng mặt khi quan sát.

41:07	Right?	Phải không?

41:08	Do you get the point?	Bạn nắm điểm này không?

41:11	Are you working with ?	Bạn đang làm việc chứ?

41:16	When you look	Khi bạn nhìn một người
	at a person

41:20	- of course, if it is a stranger	- dĩ nhiên, nếu người lạ
	you have no picture	bạn không có hình ảnh

41:23	or you say, 'Oh, he is a foreigner,	hay nói, 'Ồ, hắn là người lạ,
	throw him out' (laughter).	đuổi hắn đi' (cười).

41:30	But when you look at somebody	Nhưng khi nhìn ai đó
	whom you know fairly intimately	bạn biết khá rõ

41:35	the more intimately you know	càng thân thiết hình ảnh càng đậm.
	them, the more the image.

41:41	Can you look at that person	Có thể nhìn người ấy
	without the image?	mà không hình ảnh?

41:44	Which means, can you look at	Tức là, có thể nhìn người ấy
	that person without the observer?	mà không người quan sát?

41:49	You get it?	Bạn hiểu không?

41:50	I wonder if you...	Không biết bạn...
	That is pure observation.	Đó là thuần quan sát.

42:00	So: 'Does this awareness	Vậy: 'Nhận biết đưa đến
	lead to analysis?'. Obviously not.	phân tích?'. Dĩ nhiên không.

42:09	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	the question?

42:10	That is, what do we mean by	Tức là, ý bạn phân tích
	analysis? Which is to analyse.	là gì? Tức là phân tích.

42:18	Who is analysing?	Ai phân tích?

42:22	You understand? I am analysing	Bạn hiểu không? Tôi phân tích tôi
	myself - right, I'll go into it.	- đúng, tôi sẽ đi sâu.

42:27	I am analysing myself, or	Tôi phân tích tôi, hay
	the analyst is analysing me.	người phân tích phân tích tôi.

42:36	When I analyse myself,	Khi phân tích tôi,
	who is the analyser?	ai là người phân tích?

42:42	You are following this?	Bạn theo kịp không?

42:46	Is the analyser different from	Người phân tích có khác
	the thing he is analysing: me,	với vật hắn phân tích: tôi,

42:52	- you understand? - is the	- hiểu không? - người
	analyser different from me?	phân tích có khác tôi?

42:57	Oh, come on sir.	Ồ, nào. Dĩ nhiên không.
	Obviously not.

43:05	You see... In our talks and in	Bạn xem... Các buổi
	these answers and questions	nói chuyện và hỏi đáp này

43:18	we are eliminating the	chúng ta loại bỏ cấu trúc xung đột
	very structure of conflict

43:24	-you understand? -	- hiểu không? - giữa con người.
	between human beings.

43:30	The structure of conflict exists	Cấu trúc xung đột hiện diện
	as long as there is division.	khi còn phân chia.

43:36	The division in myself which	Phân chia trong tôi tạo ra
	creates the division outside.	phân chia bên ngoài.

43:43	There is a division in myself	Có phân chia trong tôi
	because I say I am a Hindu	bởi tôi nói tôi là Hin đu

43:50	and identification with	và đồng hóa với
	that image of being a Hindu	hình ảnh là Hin đu

43:58	gives me security	cho tôi an toàn nên tôi ôm giữ nó.
	so I hold on to that.

44:03	Which is nonsense, there	Thật vô nghĩa, không có
	is no security in an image!	an toàn trong hình ảnh!

44:10	And the other fellow	Và anh kia cũng làm thế,
	does the same,

44:12	he is a Muslim, or an Arab,	anh ta là Hồi, hay Ả rập,
	or a Jew, he does the same.	Do thái, cũng làm thế.

44:17	So we are	Nên chúng ta xiết cổ nhau.
	at each other's throats.

44:20	So the analyser is the	Vậy người phân tích là
	analysed, you understand?	vật phân tích, hiểu không?

44:26	So what happens then?	Rồi việc gì xảy ra?

44:31	If, when the observer	Nếu, về tâm lý khi người
	psychologically is the observed	quan sát là vật quan sát

44:39	and therefore no conflict	thì không có xung đột
	- you understand? -	- hiểu không? -

44:44	because there	bởi không có phân chia.
	is no division.

44:46	If you see this clearly, that is:	Nếu bạn thấy rõ, tức là:
	our minds have been trained,	trí óc bị rèn luyện,

44:53	educated to have	giáo dục để có phân chia ấy.
	this division.

44:59	I and the thing	Tôi và vật khác biệt.
	are different.

45:03	I, with my anger, with my jealousy.	Tôi, với giận dữ, ghen tị.
	Jealousy is different from me	Ghen tị khác tôi

45:10	therefore I must do	nên tôi phải làm gì đó với nó,
	something about it,

45:15	control it, suppress it, go	kiểm soát, loại bỏ, vượt qua
	beyond it - I am acting upon it.	- tôi tác động lên nó.

45:20	But when jealousy, anxiety,	Nhưng khi ghen tị, lo âu, là tôi
	is me

45:24	what has happened?	điều gì xảy ra?

45:28	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

45:34	There is the elimination	Có xoá sạch xung đột.
	of conflict.

45:40	Then what happens?	Rồi gì xảy ra? Tiếp đi.
	Go on sir.

45:43	I don't want... Go on,	Tôi không muốn... Tiếp, gì xảy ra?
	what happens?

45:47	If you are actually doing this	Nếu bạn thực sự làm nó
	as we are talking	khi chúng ta nói

45:52	when you end the division	khi bạn dứt phân chia
	between the two, what happens?	hai cái, điều gì xảy ra?

45:57	When anxiety is me,	Khi lo âu là tôi,
	I am anxiety. Obviously.	tôi là lo âu. Dĩ nhiên.

46:04	Then what takes place?	Rồi gì xảy ra?

46:11	Don't wait for me	Đừng đợi tôi trả lời.
	to answer it.

46:22	First of all - may I	Trước hết - tôi xin
	go on, because... -	tiếp tục, bởi...

46:25	first of all, the pattern	trước hết, khuôn mẫu
	has been broken. Right?	bị vỡ. Phải không?

46:33	The pattern which is	Khuôn mẫu là qui định của trí óc,
	the conditioning of my mind,

46:38	that pattern	khuôn bị vỡ.
	has been broken.

46:43	Right?	Phải không? Vậy là sao?
	Which means what?

46:46	The ending of something,	Chấm dứt gì đó, - phải không? -
	- right? -

46:49	is the beginning	là khởi đầu việc gì khác!
	of something else!

46:53	I wonder	Không biết bạn hiểu không.
	if you capture this.

46:58	If I break the pattern	Nếu tôi phá vỡ khuôn
	- if the pattern is broken,	- nếu khuôn bị vỡ,

47:03	the ending of the struggle -	chấm dứt tranh đấu -
	what then takes place?	thì điều gì xảy ra?

47:11	A new momentum takes place,	Một quán tính mới xảy ra,
	you follow?	kịp không?

47:15	A new movement	Quán tính mới xảy ra.
	takes place.

47:20	Right sir?	Phải không?

47:22	Don't be sceptical. If you	Đừng nghi ngờ. Nếu
	do this you will find out.	làm thế bạn sẽ tìm ra.

47:29	If you apply your mind,	Nếu bạn dùng năng lực,
	your energy, go into this.	trí óc, đào sâu nó.

47:38	You can observe the tree	Bạn có thể quan sát cây cối
	and the word 'tree' interferes.	và chữ 'cây' xen vào.

47:45	The moment you see that, you	Lúc bạn nhìn nó, bạn nói:
	say: tree, a butterfly, a deer,	cây, bướm, nai,

47:53	the mountain, the river - you	núi, sông - bạn theo kịp
	follow? - immediate reaction.	không? - phản ứng tức thì.

48:01	That reaction can be observed	Phản ứng ấy có thể được
	and perhaps put aside	quan sát và để sang bên

48:05	and just to observe the tree,	và chỉ quan sát cây,
	the beauty, the line of it	vẻ đẹp, đường nét

48:10	- you follow? - the grace	- kịp không? - vẻ
	of it, the quality of it.	duyên dáng, đặc tính.

48:15	Now to do the same with the	Giờ cũng làm thế với
	person with whom you have lived,	người bạn cùng sống,

48:20	with whom you have	với người bạn thân thiết.
	been intimate.

48:24	Not to have a single	Không có hình ảnh gì về người ấy.
	image about that person.

48:31	Then relationship is something	Rồi quan hệ là điều cực kỳ
	extraordinary, isn't it?	lạ lùng, phải không?

48:36	I wonder if you see.	Không biết bạn có thấy vậy.

48:39	No?	Không à?

48:41	You don't do this,	Bạn không làm, đó là lý do
	that's why you don't find out.	bạn không tìm ra.

48:45	We are so anchored in our own	Chúng ta kẹt cứng trong
	past, in our own conditioning	quá khứ, trong qui định

48:53	in our own pattern.	trong khuôn mẫu.

48:55	God only knows how you	Chỉ Trời biết làm sao
	are going to break it.	bạn sẽ phá vỡ.

48:59	Right?	Phải không? Phải bị phá vỡ!
	It has to be broken!

49:05	It is like a man	Nó như người sống trong ảo tưởng
	living in an illusion

49:08	and calling that reality.	và gọi đó là thực tại.

49:17	Q: Sir, if the observer	Q: Nếu người quan sát
	is the observed	là vật quan sát

49:23	how can you ever	làm sao có thể vượt qua nó?
	go beyond that?

49:27	You can't make yourself	Ngài không thể bắt mình bước ra.
	step out of that.

49:35	Q: If the observer is	Q: Nếu người quan sát
	the one observed	là vật quan sát

49:42	the one observing is	người đang quan sát
	also what is observed.	cũng là vật được quan sát.

49:46	How can you ever	Làm sao có thể bước ra?
	get out of that?

49:50	Because ...	Bởi... (không nghe được)
	(inaudible)

49:57	K: Sir, just a minute sir.	K: Đợi chút đã.

50:01	Are you actually - not you	Bạn có thực sự - tôi
	personally I am talking,	không nói cá nhân bạn,

50:05	I am not being personal -	tôi không là cá nhân - bạn
	is one aware of the fact of this,	có nhận thức thực tế ấy,

50:12	fact,	thực tế, không phải ý niệm?
	not the idea of it?

50:15	The fact that the observer	Thực tế rằng người quan
	has the image about the person	sát có hình ảnh về người

50:25	whom he is observing,	mà hắn đang quan sát, vợ, v.v..
	his wife and so on.

50:29	Is he aware of that fact,	Hắn có nhận thức thực tế ấy,
	of this division?	phân chia ấy?

50:35	And is he aware that this	Và hắn có nhận thức rằng
	division is created by the image	phân chia tạo bởi hình ảnh

50:40	which he has made	mà hắn đã làm về cô hay anh ấy?
	about him or her?

50:44	Right? Are you aware	Phải không? Bạn có
	of this fact?	nhận thức thực tế ấy?

50:48	Or am I telling you of the fact	Hay tôi nói bạn về thực tế ấy

50:51	and therefore you accept it?	và vì vậy bạn chấp nhận?

50:54	Therefore it is not actual,	Vậy thì không thực tế,
	it is just an idea.	chỉ là ý niệm.

50:59	But if you say, yes,	Nhưng nếu bạn nói,
	this fact is so.	vâng, thực tế vậy.

51:03	That is, there is the image	Tức là, có hình ảnh
	about her or him,	về cô hay anh ta,

51:09	I am aware of that image,	Tôi nhận thức hình
	that picture, that idea,	ảnh ấy, ý niệm ấy,

51:20	then the next is:	rồi thì kế tiếp: hình ảnh là
	is the picture, the image

51:31	the actual person	người thực sống với bạn?
	that is living with you?

51:37	Obviously not.	Dĩ nhiên không.

51:39	So who is creating	Vậy ai tạo hình ảnh? Kịp không?
	this image? You follow?

51:44	If you go sequentially the answer	Nếu bạn đi từng bước câu trả
	is very simple. You understand?	lời rất đơn giản. Hiểu không?

51:55	So, sir, first	Vậy, trước hết, quan sát cây,
	observe the tree,

52:00	see whether you can see it	xem bạn có thể nhìn nó
	without the word.	mà không từ ngữ.

52:03	When you see the thing	Khi nhìn vật gọi là hoa hồng
	called rose

52:08	can you look at that flower	bạn có thể nhìn hoa ấy
	without naming it?	mà không đặt tên?

52:12	You understand,	Hiểu không? Thử đi!
	sir? Test it out!

52:17	Then find out if you have	Rồi tìm xem bạn có chăng
	an image about a person.	hình ảnh về một người.

52:25	Now wait a minute.	Đợi chút.

52:26	You have an image	Bạn có hình ảnh
	about me, haven't you?	về tôi, phải không?

52:38	Because the papers write	Bởi báo chí viết về đó,
	about it, or some silly book.	hay sách ngớ ngẩn nào.

52:41	You follow? You have	Kịp không? Bạn có hình ảnh về tôi.
	an image about me.

52:46	So are you listening through	Vậy bạn có nghe qua
	the image, through the picture,	hình, qua ảnh ấy,

52:55	through the articles you	qua cột báo bạn đã đọc, hay sách?
	have read, or the books?

52:58	Or are you listening directly	Hay bạn nghe trực tiếp
	without the image?	không hình ảnh?

53:02	You understand?	Hiểu không? Ồ, nào.
	Oh, come on, sir.

53:11	Q: Sir, what happens when	Q: Điều gì xảy ra khi người khác
	the other person

53:16	behaves to confirm	hành xử để củng cố hình ảnh?
	your image?

53:29	K: Suppose one's wife has	K: Giả sử vợ không có
	no image about the husband	hình ảnh về chồng

53:36	what is the relationship then	thì quan hệ là gì giữa chồng và
	between the husband

53:40	and the wife	người vợ không có hình ảnh?
	who has no image?

53:44	You understand the question?	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	That's what you are asking.	Bạn hỏi thế.

53:50	You understand sir?	Hiểu không?

53:52	You are violent and the other	Bạn bạo lực và người kia thì không
	person is not violent

53:57	then what is	rồi thì quan hệ là gì?
	the relationship?

54:04	Have you any relationship?	Bạn có quan hệ chứ? -
	- except perhaps sensory, sexual -	có lẽ trừ cảm giác, nhục dục -

54:11	have you any relationship?	bạn có quan hệ chứ? Dĩ nhiên không.
	Obviously not.

54:16	But you are living	Nhưng bạn sống cùng nhà. (Cười)
	in the same house. (Laughter)

54:24	So what will you do?	Vậy bạn sẽ làm gì?
	Sir, you are all not facing,	Bạn không đối mặt,

54:28	moving with facts,	bỏ đi với thực tế,
	you see, that's why,	bạn xem, đó là lý do,

54:30	you are living with ideas,	bạn sống với ý niệm,

54:33	that's the difficulty	đó là khó khăn trong vấn đề này.
	in this matter.

54:43	All right, sir,	Được rồi, hãy tìm hiểu nó.
	let's go into it.

54:47	My wife has no image	Vợ không có hình ảnh về tôi.
	about me.

54:52	First of all, that's the most	Trước hết, đó là
	extraordinary way of living.	lối sống lạ lùng nhất.

54:56	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

55:01	In that perhaps there may	Trong đó có thể có tình yêu
	be real profound love.	thực sự sâu thẳm.

55:10	She has no image about me	Cô ấy không có hình ảnh
	but I have an image,	về tôi nhưng tôi có,

55:14	pictures, ideas,	hình ảnh, ý niệm,
	all that in me, piling up.	mọi cái đầy trong tôi.

55:24	And we are living in the same	Và chúng tôi sống chung
	house. What takes place?	nhà. Điều gì xảy ra?

55:32	She is free, I am not.	Cô ta tự do, tôi thì không.

55:42	And I create the conflict,	Và tôi tạo xung đột,
	not she.	không phải cô ta.

55:50	Right?	Phải không?

55:52	I want her to have	Tôi muốn cô ta có hình ảnh về tôi
	an image about me

55:58	because I am used	bởi tôi quen vậy, nên tôi bắt đầu.
	to that, so I begin.

56:06	A most destructive	Một quan hệ phá hoại nhất
	relationship goes on. Right?	xảy ra. Phải không?

56:13	Till she says, enough.	Đến lúc cô ta nói, đủ rồi.

56:20	Does she divorce me?	Cô ta ly dị tôi chứ?

56:23	Go on sirs, this is	Tiếp đi, đó là việc bạn,
	your job, face it all.	giáp mặt nó.

56:31	Leave me?	Bỏ tôi ư?

56:34	Or her having no image	Hay không có hình ảnh về tôi tạo ra
	of me has brought about

56:41	a totally different	bầu không khí hoàn toàn
	atmosphere in the house.	khác trong nhà.

56:47	You understand sir?	Bạn hiểu không?

56:49	You have never done this,	Bạn không hề làm thế, hãy thử đi!
	do test it out, sirs!

56:56	There is a totally	Có cái hoàn toàn khác...
	different...

56:58	I am beginning to be aware	Tôi bắt đầu nhận ra -
	- because she is immovable,	bởi cô ta không lay động,

57:04	you understand? - and	bạn hiểu không? -
	I am moving all around.	và tôi chạy lung tung.

57:12	So I begin to see, when I meet	Vậy tôi bắt đầu thấy, khi
	something that is immovable	tôi gặp cái không lay động

57:20	something happens to me.	gì đó xảy đến với tôi.

57:22	Isn't it happening to you now?	Không xảy ra với bạn sao?
	Oh, come on, sirs!	Ồ, nào!

57:33	Sir, a man goes from one religion	Có người vào đạo này sang đạo
	to another, one guru to another,	kia, thầy này sang thầy nọ,

57:38	one philosophy - you know -	triết học này - bạn biết đó
	plays around, around, around,	- chơi lòng vòng,

57:42	and another man says, I have been	và có anh nói, tôi đã trải
	through all that, out, finished.	qua hết rồi, bước ra, xong.

57:48	He is immovable.	Anh ta bất động. Bạn hiểu không?
	You understand?

57:52	So what happens?	Vậy điều gì xảy ra?

57:56	Test it out.	Thử xem.

58:04	Q: How to eliminate	Q: Làm sao xóa hình ảnh?
	the image?

58:11	K: How to eliminate the image.	K: Làm sao xóa hình ảnh.
	You see, you haven't understood.	Bạn xem, bạn không hiểu.

58:21	You can't eliminate the image	Bạn không thể xóa bởi
	because you are the image maker.	bạn là người tạo hình ảnh.

58:26	Right?	Phải không? Bạn thấy vậy chứ?
	Do you see that?

58:31	You have to eliminate	Bạn phải xóa chính mình! (Cười)
	yourself! (Laughter)

58:39	Which is, your thought that has	Tức là, suy nghĩ bạn dựng
	built up the image about yourself.	lên hình ảnh về chính bạn.

58:47	I won't enter into the whole	Tôi không đi sâu toàn bộ
	movement of thought	vận hành suy nghĩ

58:50	because that requires	bởi đòi hỏi rất... bạn biết đó.
	a great... you know.

58:54	There are too many questions,	Có quá nhiều câu hỏi, chúng ta
	we will go into it when we talk.	sẽ đi sâu khi nói chuyện.

59:02	Third question: 'Doesn't thought	Câu thứ ba: 'Suy nghĩ không
	originate as a defence against pain?	khởi đầu như rào chắn đau đớn ư?

59:11	The infant begins to think	Đứa bé bắt đầu suy nghĩ
	in order to separate	để phân chia

59:15	itself from physical pain.	chính nó với đau đớn vật lý.

59:20	Which comes first: is thought,	Cái nào đến trước: suy nghĩ,
	which is psychological knowledge,	tức kiến thức tâm lý, là

59:29	the result of pain, or is pain	kết quả của đau, hay
	the result of thought?	đau là kết quả của suy nghĩ?

59:37	How does one go beyond the	Làm sao vượt qua rào
	defences developed in childhood?'	chắn được phát triển từ bé?'

59:49	'Doesn't thought originate	'Suy nghĩ không khởi đầu
	as a defence against pain?	như rào chắn đau đớn ư?

59:58	The infant begins to think	Đứa bé bắt đầu suy nghĩ
	in order to separate	để phân chia

1:00:02	itself from physical pain.	chính nó với đau đớn vật lý.

1:00:09	Which comes first: is thought,	Cái nào đến trước: suy nghĩ,
	which is psychological knowledge,	tức kiến thức tâm lý, là

1:00:16	the result of pain, or is pain	kết quả của đau, hay
	the result of thought?	đau là kết quả của suy nghĩ?

1:00:25	How does one go beyond the	Làm sao vượt qua rào
	defences developed in childhood?'	chắn được phát triển từ bé?'

1:00:31	Right? You have	Phải không? Bạn hiểu câu hỏi chứ?
	understood the question?

1:00:37	What is the time, sir?	Mấy giờ rồi?

1:00:39	Q: Five thirty.	Q: 5 giờ 30.
	K: Oh Lord!	K: Chà!

1:00:46	You see sir how long one question,	Bạn xem một hay hai
	or two questions, take.	câu hỏi mất bao lâu.

1:00:55	You know really there	Thực sự bạn biết chỉ
	is only one question.	có một câu hỏi.

1:01:00	If you consider all	Nếu bạn xem xét hết mấy câu ấy
	these questions

1:01:03	there is only	chỉ có một câu thực sự.
	one real question.

1:01:11	What is that?	Đó là gì?

1:01:14	Ask it, sir.	Hỏi đi. Một, nếu bạn có...
	One, if you had...

1:01:18	please, careful, sir,	này, cẩn thận, một thiên thần đến
	some angel comes along

1:01:23	and says you can ask	và nói bạn chỉ có
	only one question	thể hỏi một câu

1:01:28	and it must be	và phải là câu hỏi thực sự
	the real question

1:01:32	- not how am I to get rich,	- không phải làm sao giàu,
	who am I to marry, you follow? -	tôi sẽ cưới ai, kịp không? -

1:01:38	but the real deep	mà là câu cơ bản sâu sắc thực sự.
	fundamental question.

1:01:48	Q: How to eliminate	Q: Làm sao xóa suy nghĩ.
	thought.

1:01:57	K: Who is the entity who says,	K: Thực thể nào nói, 'Làm
	'How am I to' ... You are not...	sao tôi' ... Bạn không...

1:02:04	Q: Who am I?	Q: Tôi là ai?

1:02:06	K: I won't answer that question	K: Tôi không trả lời bởi
	because you haven't come to it.	bạn chưa đến đó.

1:02:09	You'll find out.	Bạn tìm đi.

1:02:12	Q: Why don't you ask	Q: Tại sao ngài hỏi?
	the question?

1:02:16	K: I have asked it.	K: Tôi hỏi.

1:02:18	Q: I don't understand it.	Q: Tôi không hiểu.

1:02:25	K: Oh, you are not	K: Ồ, bạn không đủ nhanh.
	quick enough.

1:02:33	Sir, the question is:	Câu hỏi là:

1:02:37	does thought create the pain,	suy nghĩ sinh ra đau,
	or pain creates the thought?	hay đau sinh ra suy nghĩ?

1:02:48	You understand?	Hiểu không?

1:02:54	You put a pin into this leg,	Bạn đâm kim vào chân,
	it is communicated to the brain,	nó thông báo lên não,

1:02:59	then the pain, then the anxiety	rồi đau, rồi lo âu
	to end that pain.	để chấm dứt đau ấy.

1:03:11	The whole of that is	Cả cái đó là quán tính của
	a momentum of thinking, isn't it?	suy nghĩ, phải không?

1:03:17	The nervous reaction,	Phản ứng thần kinh,

1:03:21	the identification	đồng hóa với phản ứng ấy
	with that reaction

1:03:27	and the identification	và đồng hóa nói,
	saying, 'I hope it will end	'hy vọng nó sẽ dứt

1:03:32	and I mustn't have it	và không nên bị trong tương lai'.
	in the future'.

1:03:35	All that is part of the	Tất cả là một phần của
	whole momentum, isn't it,	quán tính, phải không?

1:03:40	of the whole movement.	của cả vận hành.

1:03:42	Why do you	Tại sao bạn chia hai:
	separate the two:

1:03:45	does thinking come first,	suy nghĩ đến trước,
	or the pain comes first?	hay đau đến trước?

1:03:51	You understand?	Hiểu không?

1:03:55	'Who laid the egg'	'Ai đẻ trứng', bạn biết mà.
	business, you know.

1:04:01	Does the chicken come first,	Gà có trước, hay trứng có trước?
	or the egg comes first?

1:04:06	You are missing	Bạn vuột mất điểm chính.
	the whole point, sir.

1:04:16	It's not the time	Không có thì giờ để tìm hiểu.
	to go into this.

1:04:19	Is fear - which is part of pain -	Sợ hãi - là một phần của đau
	is fear the result of thought?	- là kết quả của suy nghĩ?

1:04:34	You understand?	Hiểu không?

1:04:36	Is there fear	Có sợ hãi mà không suy nghĩ?
	without thought?

1:04:47	Q: Is there freedom from fear	Q: Có thoát khỏi sợ
	even with thought?	dù là với suy nghĩ?

1:04:55	K: Sir, the 'me' is put together	K: Cái 'tôi' do suy nghĩ
	by thought. Obviously.	đặt để. Dĩ nhiên.

1:05:06	Successive incidents, successive	Việc bất ngờ, ý niệm liên tục,
	ideas, and genetic heritage	và thừa kế di truyền

1:05:12	and so on and so on, the 'me'	và v.v.., cái 'tôi' là
	is the result of thought:	kết quả của suy nghĩ:

1:05:17	I am a Hindu, I am a Catholic,	tôi là Hin đu, là Cơ đốc,
	I am this, I am that, you follow?	tôi là này, là nọ, kịp không?

1:05:22	I am an American, I am successful,	Tôi người Mỹ, tôi thành công,
	I am a doctor, I am...	tôi là bác sỹ, tôi là...

1:05:27	All that is a bundle	Tất cả là gánh nặng
	put together by thought.	do suy nghĩ đặt để.

1:05:40	I am asking, sir,	Tôi hỏi, hầu hết
	most of us have had pain.	chúng ta có đau đớn.

1:05:50	Have you ever experimented	Bạn có kinh nghiệm phân chia
	to disassociate thought from pain?	suy nghĩ với đau chưa?

1:05:59	Haven't you?	Chưa à?

1:06:02	Of course	Dĩ nhiên bạn đã có.
	you have done it.

1:06:06	To watch the pain.	Quan sát đau.
	Not identify with it	Không đồng hóa với nó

1:06:12	and say, 'Oh, I have pain'.	và nói, 'Ồ, tôi có đau'.
	You understand?	Hiểu không?

1:06:22	Sit in the dentist's chair	Ngồi trên ghế nha khoa
	for some time and watch the thing	đôi lúc và xem sự việc

1:06:30	going on, so your mind	xảy ra, trí óc bạn quan
	observes without identifying.	sát mà không đồng hóa.

1:06:41	You can do this, sir.	Bạn có thể làm thế.

1:06:43	I sat in the dentist's chair	Tôi đã ngồi lên ghế
	for 4 hours.	nha khoa 4 giờ.

1:06:47	I can tell you about it.	Tôi có thể kể về nó.

1:06:50	Never a single thought	Không ý nghĩ nào vào trí óc tôi.
	came into my mind.

1:06:54	I discovered that after	Tôi khám phá rằng
	I had sat for four hours.	tôi đã ngồi hàng 4 giờ.

1:07:03	How does one go beyond the	Làm sao vượt qua rào chắn
	defences cultivated in childhood?	được rèn luyện từ bé?

1:07:13	Would you go	Bạn đến nhà phân tâm học?
	to a psychoanalyst?

1:07:18	Would you?	Phải không?

1:07:21	No, wait,	Không, đợi chút, đừng nói không.
	don't say no.

1:07:24	That's how they exist.	Đó là lý do họ có mặt.
	(Laughter)	(Cười)

1:07:33	They are	Họ là tu sĩ hiện đại.
	the modern priests.

1:07:38	Now would you go	Giờ bạn đến nhà tâm lý học,
	to a psychologist,

1:07:40	psychotherapist,	tâm lý trị liệu, tâm lý... v.v..
	psycho... and so on.

1:07:44	There are so many varieties	Có quá nhiều loại thầy thuốc này.
	of these medicine men.

1:07:52	Sorry, I am not being	Xin lỗi, tôi không vô lễ với họ.
	rude to them.

1:07:57	I am just asking,	Tôi chỉ hỏi, bạn có đến họ không?
	would you go to them?

1:08:02	That's the easiest way,	Đó là cách dễ nhất, phải không?
	isn't it?

1:08:08	And we think they will answer	Và chúng ta nghĩ họ sẽ
	all the childhood problems.	trả lời mọi vấn đề thời bé.

1:08:13	They can't.	Họ không thể.

1:08:16	They may slightly modify it.	Họ có thể sửa đổi chút ít.
	They themselves say so.	Chính họ nói thế.

1:08:21	So what will you do?	Vậy bạn sẽ làm gì?

1:08:25	There is nobody	Không ai bạn có thể đến.
	you can go to. Right?	Phải không?

1:08:33	Sir, do you face that?	Bạn giáp mặt nó? Không có ai hết!
	There is nobody!

1:08:39	Your guru, God, priest,	Đạo sư, Thượng đế, tu sĩ,
	psychoanalyst,	nhà phân tâm học,

1:08:43	including Krishnamurti, nobody	cả Krishnamurti, không ai
	you can go to, what will you do?	bạn có thể đến, bạn sẽ làm gì?

1:08:53	Have you ever faced that,	Bạn giáp mặt chưa, thực tế
	that fact that you cannot.	rằng bạn không thể.

1:09:02	You can go to a doctor,	Có thể đến bác sĩ,
	if you have cancer,	nếu bạn bị ung thư,

1:09:05	that's a different	đó là vấn đề khác.
	matter.

1:09:07	The psychological knowledge	Kiến thức tâm lý mà
	that you have developed	bạn đã phát triển

1:09:12	from childhood,	từ bé, trở thành loạn thần kinh,
	which becomes neurotic,

1:09:20	which... most people are	cách nào đó đa số loạn
	neurotic somehow, but...	thần kinh, nhưng...

1:09:27	And there is nobody on earth	Và không ai trên mặt đất bạn
	you can go to, or in heaven,	có thể đến, hay trên trời,

1:09:32	what will you do?	bạn sẽ làm gì?

1:09:48	How would you find out	Làm sao tìm ra bạn loạn thần kinh?
	that you are neurotic?

1:09:57	Not somebody telling	Không ai nói bạn loạn thần kinh
	you you are neurotic

1:10:00	because most people	bởi hầu hết đều loạn thần kinh.
	are neurotic.

1:10:02	Somebody tells me	Ai đó bảo tôi loạn thần kinh,
	I am neurotic,

1:10:07	it is the pot calling the	lươn ngắn chê chạch dài. Phải không?
	kettle black. Right?

1:10:11	So how shall I find out	Vậy làm sao thấy
	I am neurotic?	tôi loạn thần kinh?

1:10:15	Do I want to find out?	Tôi có muốn tìm không?

1:10:21	If I do, how shall I know,	Nếu muốn, làm sao
	how shall I see it?	tôi biết, làm sao thấy?

1:10:31	Have I really eliminated	Tôi có thực sự xóa
	from my thought, from my mind,	trong suy nghĩ, trí óc

1:10:37	the idea: somebody is	ý niệm: ai đó sẽ giúp tôi?
	going to help me?

1:10:43	You understand, sir?	Bạn hiểu không? Nhìn việc tôi làm.
	See what I have done.

1:10:47	You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

1:10:52	Going to somebody to help me	Đến ai đó giúp tôi có lẽ
	may be the essence of neuroticism.	là cơ bản loạn thần kinh.

1:11:05	I wonder if you see this!	Không biết bạn có thấy vậy!
	It doesn't matter.	Không sao.

1:11:08	So what am I to do?	Vậy tôi phải làm gì?

1:11:12	How am I to know, in a world	Làm sao tôi biết, trong thế giới
	that is almost neurotic,	đa số loạn thần kinh,

1:11:23	all my friends, my relations,	bạn bè, người thân, họ
	they are all slightly imbalanced.	đều hơi mất cân bằng.

1:11:34	And probably I am	Và có lẽ tôi cũng mất cân bằng.
	also imbalanced.

1:11:38	So what shall I do, knowing	Vậy tôi sẽ làm gì, biết
	there is nobody I can go to?	rằng chẳng có ai để đến?

1:11:48	No confession, all that	Không xưng tội, mọi
	business, nobody.	việc đó, không ai.

1:11:52	So what shall I do?	Vậy tôi sẽ làm gì?

1:11:55	See what has happened,	Nhìn việc đã xảy ra với tôi?
	sir, to me?

1:11:58	You are not meeting it!	Bạn không hiểu!

1:12:03	As I cannot go to anybody,	Khi không thể đến với ai,

1:12:08	then what is taking place	rồi việc gì xảy ra trong trí
	in my mind

1:12:13	when I have depended	khi tôi lệ thuộc vào người khác?
	on others?

1:12:17	On books, on psychologists	Vào sách vỡ, nhà tâm lý
	- you follow? -	- kịp không? -

1:12:20	on authority, what has	vào uy quyền, việc gì
	happened to my mind?	xảy ra với trí óc tôi?

1:12:29	Q: (Inaudible)	Q: (Không nghe được)

1:12:32	K: Go on sir, what has	K: Tiếp tục, điều gì
	happened to your mind	xảy ra với trí óc

1:12:35	if you actually realise that you	nếu bạn thực sự thấy rằng
	cannot possibly go to anybody?	không thể đến với ai hết?

1:12:41	Q: You have to do it yourself.	Q: Phải tự làm lấy.
	K: No, watch it, sir,	K: Không, nhìn đi,

1:12:43	don't answer	đừng trả lời - điều gì
	- what happens to your mind?	xảy đến với trí óc?

1:13:01	Is neuroticism	Loạn thần kinh là
	the result of dependence?	kết quả của lệ thuộc?

1:13:12	I depend on my wife,	Tôi lệ thuộc vợ, lệ thuộc bác sĩ,
	I depend on the doctor,

1:13:14	I depend on God, I depend on	tôi lệ thuộc Thượng đế,
	psychologists, you follow?	nhà tâm lý, kịp không?

1:13:19	I have established a series	Tôi xây lên hàng loạt
	of dependence around me	lệ thuộc quanh mình

1:13:27	hoping in that dependence	hy vọng trong lệ thuộc ấy
	I will be secure.	tôi sẽ an toàn.

1:13:33	Right?	Phải không?

1:13:35	And I discover, as I cannot depend	Và tôi khám phá, khi không thể
	on anybody, what happens?	lệ thuộc ai, điều gì xảy ra?

1:13:44	Oh, come on, what happens	Ồ, nào, điều gì xảy ra
	when you don't depend?	khi bạn không lệ thuộc?

1:13:56	Q: You have to solve	Q: Ngài phải giải quyết vấn đề.
	the problem.

1:13:58	K: Do it, sir. Do it.	K: Làm đi. Làm đi.

1:14:06	You understand, sir?	Bạn hiểu không?

1:14:08	We are bringing about a	Chúng ta tạo ra cuộc
	tremendous revolution,	cách mạng lớn lao,

1:14:12	psychological revolution.	cách mạng tâm lý. Phải không?
	Right?

1:14:15	Right? And you are	Phải không? Và bạn
	unwilling to face it.	không muốn giáp mặt.

1:14:22	I depend on my wife.	Tôi lệ thuộc vợ.

1:14:28	She encourages me	Cô ấy cỗ vũ tôi lệ thuộc cô ta
	to be dependent on her

1:14:36	or I, etc.,	hay tôi, v.v.., cả hai đường.
	both ways.

1:14:39	So you tell me:	Nên bạn nói: đó là
	it's part of your neurosis.	một phần loạn thần kinh.

1:14:47	I don't throw it out,	Tôi không ném bỏ, tôi xem xét nó.
	I examine it.

1:14:51	I say, you are quite right.	Tôi nói, bạn đúng đó.
	I see this.	Tôi thấy rồi.

1:14:54	So can I be free,	Vậy có thể tôi thoát,
	not depending on my wife,	không lệ thuộc vợ,

1:15:00	psychologically,	tâm lý, dĩ nhiên.
	of course.

1:15:07	Will you do it?	Bạn sẽ làm chứ?

1:15:10	No, sir, you won't,	Không, bạn không làm, bởi bạn sợ.
	because you are frightened.

1:15:18	You want something from	Bạn muốn gì đó từ cô ta,
	her, sex, or this, or that.	tình dục, này, nọ.

1:15:22	Or she encourages you with your	Hay cô ta cổ vũ bạn với ý bạn,
	ideas, helps you to be dominant,	giúp bạn bị thống trị,

1:15:27	helps you to be ambitious,	giúp bạn tham vọng, kịp không?
	you follow?

1:15:30	Says, 'you are a marvellous	Nói, 'anh là triết gia
	philosopher'. (Laughter)	tuyệt vời'. (Cười)

1:15:37	So to see that the very state	Vậy thấy rằng trạng thái
	of dependence on another	lệ thuộc người khác

1:15:47	may be the deep	có thể là loạn thần
	psychological neurosis.	kinh tâm lý nặng.

1:15:57	And when you break	Và khi bạn phá vỡ khuôn
	that pattern what happens?	điều gì xảy ra?

1:16:04	You are sane.	Bạn tỉnh táo.

1:16:11	When you are free of the church,	Khi bạn thoát khỏi nhà thờ,
	the priests, the popes	tu sĩ, giáo trưởng

1:16:18	- you follow? -	- kịp không? - toàn bộ việc đó.
	the whole works of all.

1:16:25	Then you are...You understand	Bạn liền... Bạn hiểu việc gì
	what happens to you,	xảy đến với bạn,

1:16:28	what is the state	trạng thái trí óc bạn thế nào?
	of your mind?

1:16:30	Sir, you must have such a mind	Bạn phải có trí óc
	to find out what truth is.	tìm kiếm sự thật là gì.

1:16:48	Dependence has been,	Lệ thuộc, từ bé, là
	from childhood,

1:16:54	has been a factor	tác nhân chống lại
	against pain, against hurt,	đau đớn, tổn thương,

1:17:05	for comfort, for emotional	vì dễ chịu, vì nuôi dưỡng
	sustenance, for encouragement.	cảm xúc, khuyến khích.

1:17:19	And all that has been built	Và mọi cái đó xây lên trong
	in you, you are part of that.	bạn, bạn là một phần nó.

1:17:30	If you say, no more authority,	Nếu nói, không còn uy quyền nữa,
	religious authority,	uy quyền tôn giáo,

1:17:38	do you know what happens?	bạn có biết điều gì xảy ra?

1:17:44	Q: Why did Christ say...	Q: Tại sao Ky Tô nói...
	K: Oh, sir.	K: Ồ.

1:17:50	You see, it is impossible	Bạn xem, không thể nào
	to discuss with you.	thảo luận với bạn.

1:17:56	Sir, before Christ there	Trước Ky Tô có Phật,
	was the Buddha,

1:18:03	500 BC, before him	500 trước công nguyên,
	there was somebody else,	trước đó có người khác,

1:18:09	so it isn't just this one person	nên không phải chỉ ông ấy
	that has suddenly discovered.	thình lình khám phá.

1:18:16	That's your conditioning	Đó là qui định bạn hai ngàn năm,
	of two thousand years,

1:18:24	as in India they are conditioned	như ở Ấn độ họ bị qui định
	by three thousand years.	ba ngàn năm.

1:18:32	This conditioned mind can	Trí óc qui định không thể
	never find out what truth is.	tìm ra sự thật là gì.

1:18:38	You may worship your images,	Bạn có thể thờ hình ảnh, vui thú,
	enjoy them, but it is not truth.	nhưng không phải sự thật.

1:18:47	Don't throw bombs!	Đừng ném bom!
	(Laughter)	(Cười)

1:18:59	So, sir, that means:	Vậy, đó nghĩa là:

1:19:03	not to depend on anything	không lệ thuộc gì hết nghĩa là
	means

1:19:07	you are alone.	bạn một mình.

1:19:10	Do you know what that word	Bạn biết chữ 'một mình'
	'alone' means? All one.	nghĩa gì không? Toàn thể.

1:19:24	That is sanity.	Đó là tỉnh táo.

1:19:27	That sanity breeds rationality,	Tỉnh táo sinh ra hợp lý,
	clarity, integrity.	tỏ sáng, toàn thể.

1:19:40	Sorry, sir, not to answer	Xin lỗi, không trả lời
	all the other questions.	hết các câu hỏi.