Krishnamurti_VI

Krishnamurti Subtitles

Ojai - 8 May 1980

Public Question & Answer 2

0:15	The speaker is not trying	Người nói không cố gắng
	to tell you anything.	nói gì với bạn.

0:20	He is not trying to convince	Anh ta không cố thuyết
	you of anything	phục bạn điều gì

0:26	or transmitting some	hay chuyển tải vài ý niệm
	ideas which he has

0:32	or some concepts, or	hay vài quan niệm, niềm tin
	beliefs which you accept	bạn chấp nhận

0:37	and then try to examine those	rồi cố xem xét niềm tin,
	beliefs, ideas and concepts.	ý niệm và quan điểm đó.

0:43	I think that we must be quite	Tôi nghĩ chúng ta phải
	clear about that matter.	thật rõ vấn đề này.

0:48	In answering these questions	Khi trả lời các câu hỏi
	we both of us are	này chúng ta cùng

0:52	investigating the question.	tìm hiểu câu hỏi.

0:55	It isn't the speaker	Không phải người nói tìm hiểu
	is investigating

0:58	and then tells you about	rồi nói bạn nghe và
	it and then you accept it.	bạn chấp nhận.

1:03	But rather together	Mà hơn thế chúng ta cùng đào sâu
	we are going into it

1:07	so that it is not	để không phải một người hiểu
	one person understanding

1:14	and then telling you about it.	rồi kể bạn nghe.
	I hope that's clear.	Hy vọng vậy là rõ.

1:21	First question: 'There is a prevalent	Câu thứ nhất: 'Dạo này có
	assumption these days	sự thừa nhận phổ biến

1:25	that everything is relative	rằng mọi vật là tương đối
	and a matter of personal opinion,	và vấn đề quan điểm riêng,

1:31	that there is no	rằng không có gì là chân lý
	such thing as truth

1:35	or fact independent	hay thực tế độc lập
	of personal perception.	của nhận thức cá nhân.

1:42	What is an intelligent response	Đáp ứng thông minh nào
	to this belief?'	cho niềm tin ấy?'

1:50	'There is a prevalent	'Dạo này có sự
	assumption these days	thừa nhận phổ biến

1:54	that everything is relative	rằng mọi vật là tương đối
	and a matter of personal opinion,	và vấn đề quan điểm riêng,

2:01	that there is no	rằng không có gì là chân lý
	such thing as truth

2:04	or fact independent	hay thực tế độc lập
	of personal perception.	của nhận thức cá nhân.

2:10	What is an intelligent response	Đáp ứng thông minh nào
	to this belief?'	cho niềm tin ấy?

2:15	Right?	Phải không?

2:21	Is it that we are all	Phải chăng chúng ta đều
	so terribly personal?	cá nhân ghê gớm?

2:27	What I see, what you see,	Điều tôi thấy, cái bạn hiểu,
	is the only truth?	là sự thật duy nhất?

2:36	My opinion and your opinion	Quan điểm tôi và quan điểm bạn
	are the only facts we have?	là thực tế duy nhất?

2:44	That's what the question	Câu hỏi hàm ý như thế.
	implies.

2:47	That everything is relative.	Rằng mọi vật là tương đối.
	Goodness is relative,	Tốt là tương đối,

2:55	evil is relative,	xấu ác tương đối,
	love is relative.	yêu thương tương đối.

3:03	And so as everything	Và vậy mọi vật tương đối
	is relative

3:08	that is: not whole,	tức là: không toàn thể,
	complete, truth,	trọn vẹn, chân lý,

3:14	then our actions, our affections	rồi hành động, yêu mến
	of personal relationship	của quan hệ cá nhân là

3:20	are relative, and can be	tương đối, và có thể chấm dứt
	ended whenever we like,	khi chúng ta muốn,

3:26	whenever it doesn't	khi không còn dễ chịu, v.v..
	please us and so on.

3:30	That is the implication	Đó là hàm ý trong
	of this question. Right?	câu hỏi. Phải không?

3:38	Now is there - we are both	Vậy có chăng - chúng ta
	of us investigating, please,	cùng tìm hiểu, nào,

3:43	I am not telling you - is	tôi không nói bạn nghe
	there such thing as truth?	- có gì là chân lý?

3:49	Apart from belief, apart from	Bỏ qua niềm tin, quan điểm cá nhân,
	personal opinion,

3:57	personal perception.	nhận thức cá nhân.
	Is there such thing as truth?	Có chăng gì là chân lý?

4:07	This question has been asked	Câu này từng được hỏi
	by the ancient Greeks,	bởi người Hy lạp cổ,

4:14	by the Hindus in the ancient	bởi người Hinđu thời xưa,
	days, and by the Buddhists.	và bởi các Phật tử.

4:21	It is one of the strange facts	Điều lạ lùng là
	in the eastern religions	tôn giáo phương đông

4:27	that doubt	khuyến khích nghi ngờ.
	was encouraged.

4:32	You understand?	Hiểu không? Nghi ngờ, hỏi.
	To doubt, to question.

4:40	And in the West	Và ở phương Tây lại ép bỏ.
	it is rather put down.

4:48	It is called heresy,	Gọi là dị giáo, nếu bạn nghi ngờ.
	if you doubt.

4:53	So one must find out for oneself,	Vậy bạn phải tìm ra cho mình,
	apart from personal opinions,	bỏ qua quan điểm riêng,

5:01	perceptions, experiences,	nhận thức, kinh nghiệm,
	which are always relative,	nó luôn tương đối,

5:09	whether there is	xem có chăng một nhận thức, hiểu
	a perception, a seeing

5:17	which is absolute truth,	tuyệt đối thật, không tương đối.
	not relative. You understand?	Bạn hiểu không?

5:24	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

5:27	Now how are you	Giờ làm sao bạn tìm kiếm?
	going to find out?

5:33	If we say that personal opinion,	Nếu nói quan niệm, nhận
	perception are relative	thức riêng là tương đối

5:41	and therefore there	và vậy không có gì là thật
	is no such thing

5:43	as truth, absolute,	tuyệt đối, vậy nó tương đối.
	it then is relative.

5:49	And according to that,	Và theo đó hành xử, hành vi,
	our behaviour, our conduct,

5:54	our way of life	lối sống chúng ta là tương đối.
	is relative.

5:59	Casual, not complete,	Bất chợt, không trọn vẹn,
	not whole,	không hoàn toàn,

6:04	therefore fragmentary.	nên vỡ vụn.

6:11	I hope we are	Hy vọng chúng ta theo kịp nhau.
	following each other.

6:14	And we are trying to find out	Và chúng ta cố tìm xem
	if there is such thing as truth	có chăng gì là chân lý

6:19	which is not relative, personal	không tương đối, quan điểm,
	opinion, perception. Right?	nhận thức riêng. Phải không?

6:29	So how do you	Vậy làm sao bạn bắt đầu?
	set about it?

6:40	How would you, if this	Làm sao, nếu bạn được hỏi câu này,
	question is put to you,

6:46	how would you find out if	làm sao bạn tìm ra
	there is such thing as truth	có chăng gì là chân lý

6:53	which is absolute, which is	là tuyệt đối, không
	not relative, which is complete,	tương đối, là hoàn toàn,

6:56	which is never changing under	không hề thay đổi do
	climate, personal opinions	khí hậu, quan niệm cá nhân

7:02	and so on, how will	v.v.., làm sao bạn tìm ra?
	you find out?

7:06	How does your mind,	Làm sao trí óc, trí thức, tìm ra.
	the intellect, find out.

7:10	Or thought find out?	Hay suy nghĩ tìm ra?

7:17	May we go on	Chúng ta tiếp tục chứ?
	with this?

7:21	Does it interest you,	Nó làm bạn thích à?
	all this?

7:24	I wonder why.	Không biết tại sao. (Cười)
	(Laughs)

7:28	Because when you are	Bởi khi bạn tìm hiểu điều đó
	enquiring into something

7:32	that demands a great deal of	nó đòi hỏi sự tìm kiếm sâu rộng,
	investigation,

7:37	action in daily life,	làm hàng ngày,

7:42	a sense of putting aside	cảm giác để sang bên điều sai.
	which is false.

7:52	That's the only way	Đó là cách duy nhất. Phải không?
	to proceed. Right?

7:56	That is, if we have an illusion,	Tức là, nếu có ảo tưởng,
	a fantasy, an image,	tưởng tượng, hình ảnh,

8:04	a romantic concept of truth,	quan niệm tưởng tượng về
	or love and all the rest of it	chân lý, hay yêu thương, v.v..

8:09	those are the very barriers	chúng chính là rào
	that prevent moving further.	cản bước đi xa hơn.

8:16	Can one honestly investigate	Có thể chân thành
	what is an illusion?	tìm hiểu ảo tưởng là gì?

8:27	Does the mind	Trí óc có sống trong ảo tưởng?
	live in illusion?

8:33	Or do we have illusions	Hay chúng ta có ảo tưởng

8:38	about people, about nations,	về con người, đất nước, Thượng đế,
	about God,

8:43	about religion, about	về tôn giáo, về
	everything? You follow?	mọi thứ? Kịp không?

8:49	How our illusions	Làm sao ảo tưởng có mặt?
	come into being?

8:52	I wonder if you	Không biết bạn theo kịp không.
	follow all this.

8:55	How does one have an illusion,	Làm sao bạn có ảo tưởng,
	what is the root of it?	gốc nó là gì?

9:06	What do we mean	Ý chúng ta chữ 'ảo tưởng' là gì?
	by the word 'illusion'?

9:11	It comes from	Nó gốc từ chữ La tinh, v.v..
	the Latin and so on,

9:15	from 'ludere', which	'ludere', nghĩa là chơi đùa.
	means to play.

9:19	The root meaning of that	Nghĩa gốc chữ ấy là
	word is to play, 'ludere'.	chơi đùa, 'ludere'.

9:28	Which means playing with	Nghĩa là chơi đùa với
	something which is not actual.	điều gì không thực.

9:34	You understand?	Hiểu không?

9:38	The actual is	Thực tế là cái đang xảy ra
	what is happening

9:46	whether it is what may	dù nó có thể được
	be called good, bad,	gọi là tốt, xấu,

9:48	indifferent, and so on,	thờ ơ, v.v.., nó đang xảy ra.
	what is actually taking place.

9:56	And when one is	Và khi bạn không thể giáp mặt
	incapable of facing

9:59	what is actually taking	cái đang xảy ra trong chính bạn
	place in oneself

10:04	then to escape from that	thì chạy trốn nó
	is to create illusion.	là tạo ra ảo tưởng.

10:10	I wonder... Right?	Tôi tự hỏi... Phải không?

10:15	Please don't agree,	Đừng đồng ý, tôi chỉ thám sát nó,
	I am just exploring this,

10:18	we are exploring	chúng ta cùng thám sát.
	together.

10:22	The word 'illusion'	Chữ 'ảo tưởng' hàm ý chơi đùa
	implies to play

10:27	with something that is	với gì đó không thực. 'Ludere'
	not actual. 'Ludere'.

10:32	I won't go into all the Greek	Tôi không đi sâu nghĩa La
	and Latin meaning of it.	tinh và Hy lạp của nó.

10:37	And also in Sanskrit	Và cả chữ ấy được
	the very same words are used.	dùng trong Phạn ngữ.

10:45	So if one is unwilling	Vậy nếu bạn không thích hay sợ
	or afraid

10:52	or wants to avoid	hay muốn tránh điều đang xảy ra
	what is actually going on

10:57	that very avoidance	chính trốn tránh ấy
	creates the illusion,	tạo ra ảo tưởng,

11:05	a fantasy, a romantic movement	một tưởng tượng, chuyển động
	away from 'what is'.	tưởng tượng rời 'hiện là'.

11:14	If we accept that as the meaning	Nếu chúng ta chấp nhận đó
	of that word illusion:	như nghĩa chữ ảo tưởng:

11:23	moving away from	rời 'hiện là'.
	'what is'.

11:30	Right? Can we go on	Phải không? Có thể tiếp tục chứ?
	from there?

11:32	No, please don't agree with	Không, đừng đồng ý với
	me, see this as a fact.	tôi, nhìn thực tế đi.

11:37	Then can we avoid this movement,	Rồi có thể loại bỏ cái đi,
	this escape from actuality?	cái chạy trốn thực tế?

11:49	So then we ask,	Vậy hỏi, thực tế là gì?
	what is the actual?

11:56	Right?	Phải không? Theo kịp chứ?
	You are following?

11:57	The actual is that which is	Thực tế là cái đang xảy ra,
	happening, which is the responses,	là đáp ứng,

12:04	the ideas - actually, the	ý niệm - thực tế,
	actual belief you have,	niềm tin bạn đang có,

12:13	the actual opinion	quan niệm bạn đang có.
	you have.

12:18	And to face them is	Và giáp mặt chúng là không sinh
	not to create illusion. Right?	ảo tưởng. Phải không?

12:27	Can we go in our investigation,	Có thể tìm hiểu chứ,
	have we gone that far?	chúng ta đã đi khá xa?

12:34	Right? Because otherwise	Phải không? Bởi ngược lại
	you can't go further.	bạn không thể đi thêm.

12:42	So as long as there are illusions,	Hễ còn ảo tưởng,
	opinions, perceptions	quan điểm, nhận thức

12:53	based on the avoidance of 'what is'	dựa trên chạy trốn 'hiện là'
	then that must be relative.	thì đó phải là tương đối.

13:02	Right?	Phải không?

13:06	Right, sir? Avanti?	Phải không? Tiếp chứ? Đi tiếp chứ?
	Shall we go on?

13:15	Relativeness, which is... I won't	Tương đối, là... tôi không
	go into the word 'relative'	đi sâu chữ 'tương đối'

13:23		chữ... không, không - xin lỗi. (Cười)

13:28	This can only take place	Nó chỉ có thể xảy ra
	when there is a movement away	khi có chạy trốn

13:36	from the fact, from what	thực tế, cái đang
	is happening, 'what is'.	xảy ra, 'hiện là'.

13:43	In understanding	Thấu hiểu 'hiện là'
	'what is'

13:49	it is not your personal opinion	không phải quan điểm riêng
	that judges 'what is',	đánh giá 'hiện là',

13:56	it is not your	không phải nhận thức riêng
	personal perception

14:01	but actual observation of	mà thực quan sát 'hiện là'.
	'what is'. You understand?	Hiểu không?

14:06	One cannot observe	Bạn không thể quan sát
	what is actually going on	việc đang xảy ra

14:10	if you say my belief	nếu nói niềm tin tôi
	dictates the observation,	ra lệnh quan sát,

14:16	my conditioning dictates	qui định tôi sai khiến quan sát.
	the observation.

14:21	Then it is avoidance of the	Thì đó là loại bỏ
	understanding of 'what is'.	thấu hiểu 'hiện là'.

14:26	I wonder	Không biết bạn hiểu không.
	if you've got it.

14:29	Right? Are we doing this?	Phải không? Chúng ta đang làm chứ?
	Actually doing it:	Đang làm:

14:33	see, perceive what is actual,	nhìn, nhận thức thực tế, niềm tin,
	your actual belief,

14:43	your actual sense of dependency,	cảm giác lệ thuộc,
	your actual competitiveness	tranh đấu của bạn

14:54	and not move away	và không chạy trốn nó,
	from it, observe it.	quan sát nó.

14:58	That observation is not	Quan sát ấy không
	personal. Right?	cá nhân. Phải không?

15:04	But if you make it personal	Nhưng nếu làm thành cá nhân,
	that is, 'I must, I must not,	tức, 'tôi phải, tôi không nên,

15:11	I must be better	tôi phải tốt hơn thế'
	than that'

15:13	then it becomes personal and	thì nó trở thành cá nhân
	therefore it becomes relative.	và vậy thành tương đối.

15:18	Whereas if we could look at	Trong khi nếu chúng ta
	what is actually taking place	có thể nhìn việc đang xảy ra

15:26	then there is complete avoidance	thì hoàn toàn loại bỏ
	of any form of illusion.	mọi hình thức ảo tưởng.

15:35	Right?	Phải không? Làm được chứ?
	Can we do this?

15:38	You may agree to this verbally,	Bạn có thể đồng ý trên
	but can we actually	lời nói, nhưng có thể

15:45	perceive	thực sự nhận ra lệ thuộc
	our dependency - right?	- phải không?

15:54	Either dependency on a person,	Lệ thuộc vào ai đó,
	on a belief, on an ideal	vào niềm tin, lý tưởng

16:02	or on some experience	hay vào kinh nghiệm cho bạn
	which has given you

16:06	a great deal of excitement	quá nhiều hưng phấn, và v.v..
	and all the rest of it

16:09	- and therefore	- và vậy là lệ thuộc chúng -
	depend on those -

16:12	that dependence will	lệ thuộc ấy chắc chắn
	inevitably create illusion.	sẽ sinh ra ảo tưởng.

16:20	So can we observe the fact	Vậy có thể quan sát thực tế

16:24	that we are dependent	chúng ta lệ thuộc và quan sát nó.
	and observe it.

16:32	Right?	Phải không?

16:35	So in the same way	Cũng cách đó chúng ta sẽ tìm xem
	we are going to find out

16:39	if there is such a thing	có chăng gì là chân lý tuyệt đối.
	as absolute truth.

16:44	If you are interested	Nếu bạn thích thú,
	in this,

16:47	because this has been asked not	bởi vì đó được hỏi không chỉ
	only by some casual questioner	bởi người hỏi vô tình nào

16:52	but by monks who have given	mà cả các thầy tu dành trọn đời
	their life to this - you understand?	cho việc ấy - hiểu không?

17:00	By philosophers, by	Bởi các triết gia,
	every religious person	bởi các nhà tôn giáo

17:07	who is not institutionalised,	không bị học viện hóa,
	deeply concerned with life,	tận tuỵ cả đời,

17:15	with reality and truth.	với thực tại và chân lý.
	You understand?	Hiểu không?

17:21	So if you are really concerned	Vậy nếu bạn thực sự
	about what is the truth,	quan tâm chân lý là gì,

17:27	one has to go into it	bạn phải tìm hiểu thật sâu sắc.
	very, very deeply.

17:34	First of all one has to	Trước hết bạn phải
	understand what is reality.	hiểu thực tại là gì.

17:40	Right?	Phải không?

17:43	What is reality?	Thực tại là gì?

17:49	That which you perceive,	Cái bạn nhận thức,
	that which you touch,	cái bạn sờ chạm,

17:55	that which you taste	cái bạn nếm - phải không?
	- right?

17:59	when you have pain	khi bạn đau đớn, v.v..
	and so on.

18:05	So reality is	Vậy thực tại là cảm giác
	the sensation

18:10	and the reaction	và phản ứng với cảm giác ấy,
	to that sensation,

18:16	the response to the sensation	đáp ứng với cảm giác
	as an idea - right?	như ý niệm - phải không?

18:23	I wonder... And that idea	Tôi tự hỏi... Và ý niệm
	created by thought,	do suy nghĩ tạo ra,

18:30	so thought	nên suy nghĩ tạo ra thực tại.
	has created reality.

18:39	The marvellous	Kiến trúc tuyệt vời,
	architecture,

18:44	the great cathedrals of the world,	thánh đường vĩ đại của
	the temples, the mosques,	thế gian, đền, miếu,

18:52	and the idols	và tượng đặt trong đó,
	that are put in them,

18:56	the images,	hình ảnh, đều do suy nghĩ tạo.
	all created by thought.

19:04	And we say, that is reality,	Và chúng ta nói, đó là thực tại,
	because you can touch it,	bởi bạn có thể sờ,

19:10	you can taste it,	bạn có thể nếm, có thể ngửi.
	you can smell it.

19:18	Q: What about hallucinations?	Q: Về ảo giác thì sao?

19:20	This can be because	Nó có thể do khuấy động
	there is a disturbance

19:24	in the physiological brain.	não sinh học.
	K: Yes, sir.	K: Vâng.

19:28	The brain may be diseased, or	Não có thể bị bịnh, bị tác động,
	affected, or wounded, or bruised	bị thương hay bầm tím

19:34	and out of that you have	và do đó bạn có
	illusions, hallucinations.	ảo tưởng, ảo giác.

19:39	Q: I mean physiologically,	Q: Tôi nói về sinh lý học,
	if you have say a high fever	nếu ngài bị sốt cao

19:44		K: Xin phép... tôi đề nghị...

19:56	Questions are to	Câu hỏi phải được trả lời,
	be answered,

19:58	if you ask questions from	nếu bạn hỏi từ thính
	the audience you interrupt	giả bạn cắt ngang

20:02	the flow of the enquiry - so	dòng tìm hiểu -
	may I request, most politely	vậy tôi xin đề nghị

20:09	that unless you write	đừng hỏi, trừ khi bạn viết ra.
	it down, please don't.

20:14	I hope you don't mind	Mong bạn không phiền yêu cầu này.
	my asking this.

20:19	Hallucinations, illusions,	Ảo giác, ảo tưởng,
	delusions

20:26	take place when	xảy ra khi não bị tổn hại,
	the brain is damaged,

20:32	when there is an avoidance	khi loại bỏ hay
	or an escape from 'what is'.	chạy trốn 'hiện là'.

20:39	All these words: illusion,	Những chữ: ảo giác, ảo tưởng,
	hallucination, delusions,

20:46	are all of that category.	đều cùng loại.

20:50	So we are saying: all the things	Vậy chúng ta nói:
	that thought has created	mọi thứ suy nghĩ tạo ra

21:00	- you understand? -	- hiểu không? -

21:02	the knowledge, the acquisition	kiến thức, thu đạt kiến
	of knowledge through science,	thức qua khoa học,

21:06	through mathematics	qua toán học, v.v.., là thực tại.
	and so on, is reality.

21:14	But nature is not	Nhưng tự nhiên không
	created by thought.	do suy nghĩ tạo.

21:21	Right? You are	Phải không? Theo kịp không?
	following this?

21:25	That tree, the mountains,	Cây cối, núi non, sông, nước, nai,
	the rivers, the waters, the deer,

21:32	the snake, is not created	rắn, không do suy nghĩ tạo, nó đó.
	by thought, it is there.

21:38	But out of the tree	Nhưng từ cây chúng ta làm ghế,
	we make a chair,

21:42	that's created by thought.	nó do suy nghĩ tạo.

21:46	Right?	Phải không?

21:47	So there is: thought has created	Vậy có: suy nghĩ tạo ra

21:53	the actual world in which we live	thế giới thực chúng ta sống

22:00	and nature - includes environment,	và tự nhiên - gồm môi trường,
	you know, the whole... -	bạn biết, tất cả... -

22:08	that is not created by thought.	không do suy nghĩ tạo. Dĩ nhiên.
	Obviously.

22:14	Then we ask,	Rồi hỏi, thực tại là chân lý?
	is truth reality?

22:23	You understand?	Hiểu không? Bạn theo kịp không?
	You are following this?

22:29	One perceives that thought	Bạn biết rằng suy nghĩ tạo ra
	has created

22:34	the world in which we live	thế giới chúng ta sống

22:39	but thought has not	nhưng suy nghĩ không tạo ra vũ trụ.
	created the universe.

22:45	But thought can enquire	Nhưng suy nghĩ có thể
	into the universe.	tìm hiểu vũ trụ.

22:50	The cosmology,	Vũ trụ học, vật lý thiên thể,
	astrophysicists,

22:55	they are proceeding	họ tiến hành
	the enquiry with thought	tìm hiểu với suy nghĩ

23:05	and they will come to certain	và họ sẽ đi đến vài
	conclusions, certain hypotheses,	kết luận, giả thuyết,

23:10	try to prove those hypotheses,	cố chứng minh giả thuyết
	always in the path of thought.	ấy, luôn trên lối suy nghĩ.

23:16	I don't know if you are	Không biết bạn theo kịp hết không.
	following all this.

23:22	So thought is relative	Vậy suy nghĩ là tương đối

23:29	and therefore	và vậy cái gì nó tạo ra
	whatever it creates

23:37	in whatever direction it moves,	hướng nào đó đi đến,
	it must be relative,	phải là tương đối,

23:41	it must be limited.	phải bị giới hạn.

23:45	You are following	Bạn theo kịp không?
	all this?

23:48	Please, this is not	Nào, đây không phải
	a lecture. (laughs)	bài giảng. (cười)

23:50	I am not a professor,	Tôi không phải giáo sư, ơnTrời!
	thank God!

23:54	We are just enquiring as two	Chúng ta chỉ tìm hiểu như
	human beings wanting to find out	hai con người muốn tìm ra

24:00	what actual truth is, if there	chân lý là gì, có
	is such a thing as that.	chăng vật như thế.

24:08	So the mind is no longer in	Nên trí óc không còn ảo tưởng
	illusion - that's the first thing -	- đó là việc đầu tiên -

24:14	has no hypothesis, has no	không có giả thuyết,
	hallucinations, delusions.	không có ảo giác.

24:19	It doesn't want to	Nó không muốn nắm điều gì
	grasp something

24:24	or create an experience	hay tạo kinh nghiệm
	which it calls truth,	cái gọi là chân lý,

24:30	which most people do.	mà đa số làm thế.

24:34	So the mind has now brought	Vậy trí óc đem trật tự
	order into it. Right?	vào nó. Phải không?

24:43	Right, sirs?	Phải không?

24:46	It has order, there is no	Nó có trật tự, không
	confusion about illusions,	rối loạn về ảo tưởng,

24:52	about delusions, hallucinations,	về ảo giác, về kinh nghiệm.
	about experience.

24:58	So the mind, the brain has lost	Vậy trí óc, não mất khả
	its capacity to create illusions.	năng tạo ảo tưởng.

25:06	Right?	Phải không?

25:09	Then what is truth?	Rồi chân lý là gì?

25:20	That is, sir, what is the	Tức là, quan hệ gì giữa thực tại
	relationship between reality

25:32	- you understand 'reality', what	- bạn biết 'thực tại', đã
	we explained, what is reality -	giải thích, thực tại là gì -

25:38	and that which is not	và cái gì không do suy nghĩ tạo?
	created by thought?

25:47	Is there such a thing which is	Có chăng gì đó không là
	not the product of thought?	sản phẩm của suy nghĩ?

25:54	You understand?	Hiểu không?

26:05	Can we go on with this?	Có thể tiếp chứ?

26:08	That is, is your mind, our	Tức là, trí óc bạn,
	minds now, sitting here	trí óc, ngồi đây

26:15	in a rather depressed climate,	trong thời tiết khá chán,
	under trees rather cool,	dưới tàng cây khá mát,

26:22	are our minds free from	trí óc có thoát mọi
	every form of illusion?	kiểu ảo tưởng?

26:35	Right? Otherwise you cannot	Phải không? Ngược lại bạn
	possibly find out the other.	không thể tìm ra cái kia.

26:42	Which means is your mind	Nghĩa là trí óc có hoàn toàn
	completely free of any confusion?	thoát khỏi rối loạn?

26:53	Therefore it is	Nên nó tuyệt đối trật tự.
	absolute order.

27:01	You follow?	Kịp không? Vậy chứ?
	Is it?

27:07	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

27:11	How can a confused mind,	Làm sao trí óc rối loạn,
	a disorderly mind,	mất trật tự,

27:17	a mind that is in a turmoil,	đang đau khổ, có thể
	ever find what truth is?	tìm ra chân lý là gì?

27:25	It can invent, it can say, 'There	Nó có thể đặt ra, nói, 'Có chân
	is truth, or there is no truth'	lý, hay không có chân lý'

27:32	but a mind that has	nhưng một trí óc có
	a sense of absolute order,	trật tự tuyệt đối,

27:47	a mind that is completely free	trí óc hoàn toàn thoát
	from every form of illusion.	mọi kiểu ảo tưởng.

27:56	Then it can proceed to find	Liền có thể tiến hành tìm ra.
	out. You understand?	Hiểu không?

28:01	Otherwise you can't,	Ngược lại bạn không thể, dĩ nhiên.
	obviously.

28:05	That is, sir, look, there is	Vậy thì, nhìn đi,
	something rather interesting	có gì đó khá thú vị

28:08	if you are interested	nếu bạn thích thú.
	in it.

28:10	The astrophysicist scientists	Các nhà khoa học vật lý thiên
	are using thought to find out,	thể dùng suy nghĩ để tìm,

28:16	going out.	đi ra ngoài.

28:19	You understand?	Hiểu không? Họ làm thế.
	They are doing this.

28:22	They are investigating the	Họ tìm kiếm thế giới
	world around them, matter,	quanh họ, vật chất,

28:27	and going beyond the	và vượt qua vật lý
	astrophysics, beyond,	thiên thể, vượt qua,

28:32	but always moving	nhưng luôn đi bên ngoài.
	outward. Right?	Phải không?

28:41	But if you start inward,	Nhưng nếu bắt đầu bên trong,
	the 'me' is also matter,	cái 'tôi' cũng là vật chất,

28:49	Right?	Phải không?

28:51	Thought is matter.	Suy nghĩ là vật chất.

28:55	So if you can go inwards,	Vậy nếu có thể đi vào trong,

29:00	then you are moving	thì bạn đi từ thực tế
	from fact to fact.	đến thực tế.

29:07	Right? I wonder if	Phải không? Không biết
	you see all this.	bạn có thấy vậy.

29:11	Therefore that which is beyond	Vậy là bạn bắt đầu khám phá
	matter you begin to discover.	cái vượt qua vật chất.

29:19	That's up to you.	Đó tuỳ bạn.

29:24	Sirs, this is a very serious	Đây là việc hết sức nghiêm túc,
	affair, it is not just a morning,	không chỉ sáng nay,

29:29	Thursday morning,	sáng Thứ năm, một giờ thảo luận.
	an hour to discuss this.

29:32	One has to give one's	Bạn phải đem hết - hiểu không?
	- you understand?

29:38	You must give one's life	Phải đem cả đời bạn vào đó,
	to this, not away from life.	không phải bỏ đời.

29:45	You understand?	Hiểu không?

29:46	Life is my struggle, my anxiety,	Cuộc đời là tranh đấu, lo âu,
	my fears, my boredom	sợ hãi, chán chường

29:51	my loneliness, my sorrow	cô đơn, đau khổ - kịp không?
	- you follow?

29:55	My misfortunes, all the	Bất hạnh, hối hận
	regrets - all that is my life.	- mọi cái đó là đời tôi.

30:04	That I must understand	Tôi phải thấu hiểu và trải qua nó
	and go through that

30:06	- you follow? -	- kịp không? - không bỏ trốn nó.
	not away from it.

30:11	Then there is such thing	Rồi có gì đó là
	as absolute truth	tuyệt đối chân lý

30:21	if you have gone	nếu bạn trải qua nó.
	through it.

30:31	Second question: 'How can	Câu thứ hai: 'Làm sao
	we take responsibility	có thể trách nhiệm

30:34	for what is happening	với việc xảy ra trên thế giới
	in the world

30:37	while continuing	trong khi tiếp tục hoạt động
	to function in our daily life?	sống hàng ngày?

30:41	What is right action	Hành động đúng đối với bạo lực
	with regard to violence

30:45	and when faced	và khi giáp mặt bạo lực là gì?'
	with violence?'

30:48	'How can we take responsibility	'Làm sao có thể trách nhiệm
	for what is happening in the world	với việc xảy ra trên thế giới

30:54	while continuing	trong khi tiếp tục hoạt động
	to function in our daily life.	sống hàng ngày.

30:59	What is right action	Hành động đúng đối với bạo lực
	with regard to violence

31:02	and when faced	và khi giáp mặt bạo lực là gì?'
	with violence?'

31:10	How can we take responsibility	Làm sao có thể trách nhiệm
	for what is happening in the world	với việc xảy ra trên thế giới

31:15	while continuing to function	trong khi tiếp tục hoạt động
	in our daily life.	sống hàng ngày.

31:27	First of all sir, is the world,	Trước hết, thế giới,
	that which is happening outside,	việc xảy ra bên ngoài,

31:38	is it different from what	có khác với việc xảy ra bên trong?
	is happening inside?

31:44	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

31:47	The world, what is happening	Thế giới, việc xảy ra trên
	in the world is violence,	thế giới là bạo lực,

31:55	what is happening in the	việc xảy ra trên thế giới
	world is this extraordinary	là đau khổ cực kỳ

31:58	turmoil that is going on,	đang tiếp diễn, khủng hoảng
	crisis after crisis - right?	liên tiếp - phải không?

32:07	Wars, division of nationalities,	Chiến tranh, phân chia quốc gia,
	religious differences,	khác biệt tôn giáo,

32:16	racial, communal	khác biệt cộng đồng, sắc tộc.
	differences.

32:22	One set of systematised concepts	Quan niệm hệ thống này chống nọ
	against another - you follow?	- bạn theo kịp không?

32:29	This battle	Đấu đá ấy tiếp tục.
	that is going on.

32:32	Is that different from	Nó có khác với cái xảy
	what is going on in us?	ra trong chúng ta?

32:39	Right?	Phải không?

32:40	Please, do investigate.	Nào, tìm đi. Khác chứ?
	Is it different?

32:44	Because we are	Bởi chúng ta cũng bạo lực,
	also violent,

32:49	we are also	cũng đầy kiêu ngạo,
	full of vanity,

32:54	so terribly dishonest,	gian trá kinh khiếp,

32:59	put on different masks	đeo nhiều mặt nạ
	for different occasions.	mỗi lúc khác nhau.

33:08	Right?	Phải không?

33:09	So is it one movement	Vậy nó là vận hành
	- you understand -	- bạn biết đó -

33:19	like the tide going out	như thuỷ triều lên xuống?
	and the tide coming in?

33:25	You follow?	Kịp không? Một vận hành.
	It's one movement.

33:30	Not, how am I to be	Không, làm sao tôi trách nhiệm nó.
	responsible to that.

33:39	So if the world	Vậy nếu thế giới là tôi
	is me - right? -	- phải không? -

33:46	because we human beings	Bởi con người chúng ta tạo ra nó!
	have created that!

33:52	That cannot possibly be changed	Nó không thể thay đổi
	unless we human beings change.	trừ khi con người thay đổi.

34:01	That is the root of it,	Đó là gốc rễ nó, bạn hiểu không?
	you understand sirs?

34:07	We want to do something	Chúng ta muốn làm gì
	there, in the world.	ở đó, trên thế giới.

34:13	Better institutions,	Học viện tốt hơn,
	better governments	chính phủ tốt hơn

34:17	better economics,	kinh tế tốt hơn, v.v.., v.v..
	etc., etc., etc

34:22	But we never say,	Nhưng không hề nói,
	we have created that	chúng ta tạo ra nó

34:26	and unless we, I, you, change	và trừ khi, tôi, bạn, thay đổi,
	that cannot be changed.	nó không thể thay đổi.

34:35	We won't take the	Chúng ta không trách nhiệm nó
	responsibility for that

34:38	but we'll take	nhưng chúng ta sẽ trách nhiệm nó.
	responsibility for that.

34:40	You understand	Bạn hiểu khác nhau chứ?
	the difference?

34:43	Do we meet each	Chúng ta đồng ý không?
	other in this?

34:49	So, I am the world. Right?	Vậy, tôi là thế giới.
	Right sir? I am the world.	Phải không? Tôi là thế giới.

35:05	It is not an idea,	Đó không phải ý niệm, niềm tin
	it is not a belief

35:08	it is not a concept,	không phải quan điểm,
	it is an actuality.	mà là thực tế.

35:13	After ten million years	Sau mười triệu năm

35:16	or whatever number of	hay vô số triệu năm chúng ta sống
	million years we have lived

35:18	we are just the same.	chúng ta cứ y vậy. Kịp không?
	You follow?

35:22	We haven't changed	Cơ bản chúng ta không thay đổi.
	fundamentally.

35:26	And so we have created	Và vậy chúng ta gây
	such havoc in the world.	rối loạn thế giới.

35:36	So the fact is I am the world,	Vậy thực tế tôi là thế giới,
	not an idea but an actuality	không ý niệm mà thực tế

35:44	- do you see the difference?-	- bạn có thấy khác nhau? -
	as the idea and the actuality.	ý niệm và thực tế.

35:50	The idea is,	Ý niệm là, bạn đã nghe rồi
	you have heard this

35:55	- that you are the world -	- rằng bạn là thế giới -
	you make an abstraction of it	bạn làm trừu tượng nó

35:59	into an idea, and discuss	thành ý niệm, và
	about the idea	thảo luận về ý niệm

36:04	whether it is true, false,	dù là đúng, sai, theo, chống
	against it, for it

36:09	and you've lost it.	và bạn lạc mất nó. Hiểu không?
	You understand?

36:13	But the fact is you are,	Nhưng thực tế là bạn, nó đó!
	it is so!

36:18	So you are responsible	Nên bạn trách nhiệm thay đổi nó.
	for changing this.

36:30	That means you are	Nghĩa là bạn trách
	responsible completely	nhiệm hoàn toàn

36:34	how you live	bạn sống hàng ngày thế nào.
	your daily life.

36:42	Please, this is not preaching,	Nào, đây không phải thuyết
	or advocating nothing,	giảng, hay chủ trương không,

36:46	we are investigating	chúng ta cùng tìm hiểu.
	together.

36:56	So our responsibility is not	Vậy trách nhiệm không phải
	to the chaos that is going on	với hỗn loạn đang xảy ra

37:02	and try to modify it,	và cố canh cải, thay đổi,
	change it, decorate it	trang trí nó

37:05	or join this group or that group,	hay gia nhập nhóm này,
	or that institution and so on	khác, hay học viện kia, v.v..

37:11	but as a human being	mà như con người là thế giới
	who is the world

37:18	and that human being has to go	và con người ấy phải trải
	through radical transformation	qua thay đổi tận căn

37:26	otherwise you will have	ngược lại bạn sẽ
	no good society.	không có xã hội tốt.

37:36	And most of us find it awfully	Và đa số thấy nó quá khó
	difficult to change. Right?	để thay đổi. Phải không?

37:45	Even to give up smoking.	Ngay cả bỏ hút thuốc. Hiểu không?
	You understand?

37:50	You have got institutions	Bạn có những học viện
	that will help you not to smoke.	giúp bỏ hút thuốc.

37:56	You see how we depend	Bạn xem chúng ta lệ thuộc
	on institutions. You follow sirs?	học viện biết bao. Kịp chứ?

38:03	So can we find out	Vậy có thể thấy tại sao
	why we don't change.	chúng ta không thay đổi.

38:15	Why we see something	Tại sao chúng ta thấy việc gì sai
	to be wrong

38:21	- wrong in quotes - and	- sai trong ngoặc -
	end it immediately?	và chấm dứt ngay?

38:31	Is it that we feel that	Phải chăng chúng ta
	somebody else will bring	thấy ai khác sẽ đem

38:39	order in the world and then	trật tự đến thế giới
	we'll just slip into it?	rồi chúng ta sẽ lẻn vào?

38:44	You understand?	Hiểu không?

38:48	Is it that we are indolent,	Phải chăng về tâm lý
	psychologically,	chúng ta lười biếng,

38:54	lazy, ineffectual?	uể oải, bất lực? Bạn hiểu chứ?
	You understand sir?

39:01	How many years one spends	Biết bao năm bạn dành
	to acquire a certain technique,	để thủ đắc vài kỹ thuật,

39:11	to go through school,	để qua các trường, cao đẳng,
	high school, college, university	trung học, đại học

39:16	to become a doctor	để thành bác sĩ - 10 năm, hay hơn -
	- ten years, more -

39:20	and we won't spend	và chúng ta không dành
	a day in... You understand?	một ngày... Hiểu không?

39:30	So our responsibility is to	Vậy trách nhiệm là tạo
	bring about a radical change	ra thay đổi tận căn trong

39:36	in ourselves, because we	chính mình, bởi chúng ta
	are the rest of humanity.	là toàn thể nhân loại.

39:48	And the next question is:	Và câu hỏi kế tiếp:

39:50	'What is right action with	'Hành động đúng đối với bạo lực
	regard to violence

39:55	and when faced	và khi giáp mặt bạo lực là gì?'
	with violence?'

40:03	What is right action with	Hành động đúng đối
	regard to violence.	với bạo lực là gì.

40:07	What is violence?	Bạo lực là gì?

40:15	Go on sir, what	Tiếp nào, bạo lực là gì?
	is violence?

40:19	Anger?	Giận dữ?

40:22	Hatred?	Thù ghét?

40:26	I am just going into it, please.	Tôi sẽ tìm hiểu nó, nào.
	Anger, hatred, conformity,	Giận dữ, thù ghét, tuân thủ,

40:38	imitation, obedience?	bắt chước, vâng lời?

40:49	Or the denial of all that,	Hay chối bỏ hết,
	the opposite of all that?	ngược lại hết đó?

40:56	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

41:02	And violence	Và bạo lực là một phần đời sống,
	is part of our life,

41:08	inherited probably from	có lẽ di truyền từ thú vật, v.v..
	the animal and so on.

41:13	And is it possible	Và có thể thoát nó không?
	to be free of it?

41:22	Not relatively, but	Không tương đối,
	completely free of it.	mà hoàn toàn thoát nó.

41:31	You understand	Bạn hiểu nghĩa gì không?
	what it means?

41:36	To be free of anger	Thoát khỏi giận dữ nghĩa là
	which means

41:41	not only to be free of anger	không chỉ thoát khỏi giận

41:45	but to have no anger	mà không có giận trong trí.
	in the mind. You understand?	Hiểu không?

41:51	I wonder if you	Không biết bạn hiểu hết không!
	meet all this!

41:58	Say for instance,	Ví dụ, tuân thủ.
	conformity.

42:06	Not outward conformity	Không phải tuân thủ bên
	- you understand? -	ngoài - hiểu không? -

42:13	but the sense of conformity	mà cảm giác tuân theo qua so sánh.
	through comparison.

42:22	You follow what	Theo kịp ý tôi không?
	I mean?

42:24	We are always comparing,	Chúng ta luôn so sánh, phải không?
	aren't we?

42:29	Psychologically: 'I was, I will be'	Tâm lý: 'tôi đã là, tôi sẽ là'
	or 'I am', which is comparative.	hay 'tôi là', là so sánh.

42:38	You are following	Bạn theo kịp hết không?
	all this, sirs?

42:41	So I am asking, this mind	Vậy tôi hỏi, trí óc

42:45	which is always	luôn so sánh, đánh giá,
	comparing, judging,

42:50	aggressive, and its	hung hăng, và hung
	aggressiveness is to compare!	hăng ấy là so sánh!

42:57	Right? I don't think	Phải không? Tôi không nghĩ bạn hiểu.
	you see this.

43:04	So can the mind be free	Vậy trí óc có thể tuyệt
	absolutely of all violence?	đối thoát bạo lực?

43:17	If it is, then suppose it meets	Nếu thế, thì giả sử gặp
	violence, what is its response?	bạo lực, nó đáp ứng gì?

43:31	First of all if the mind is free	Trước hết nếu trí óc thoát
	from imitation, conformity,	bắt chước, tuân theo,

43:37	comparison and so on,	so sánh, và v.v..

43:42	from that	từ đó có hành động đúng.
	there is right action. Right?	Phải không?

43:47	I don't know if you	Không biết bạn có theo kịp.
	follow that.

43:50	And if one meets	Và nếu bạn gặp bạo lực,
	violence, face to face,	mặt đối mặt,

44:03	what is the action	hành động gì xảy ra?
	that takes place?

44:06	Can you judge what you are	Bạn có thể đánh giá
	going to do when you meet it?	bạn sẽ làm gì khi gặp nó?

44:13	You follow my question?	Bạn theo kịp câu hỏi không?
	I wonder if you do.	Không biết kịp không.

44:18	Look sir - I don't want to go	Nhìn đi - tôi không muốn đi quá sâu.
	too deeply into this.

44:25	The brain, as I am saying	Não, như tôi nói

44:28	- please, I am not	- này, tôi không phải
	an expert on brain,	chuyên gia não,

44:31	I have not studied neurology	tôi chưa nghiên cứu
	and all the rest of it	thần kinh học, v.v..

44:36	but you can watch it in yourself	nhưng có thể nhìn nó trong
	if you are sensitive, alert -	bạn nếu nhạy bén, tỉnh thức -

44:41	the brain when	não khi giáp mặt bạo lực
	it faces violence

44:49	undergoes	nó trải qua thay đổi hoá học
	a chemical change

44:54	because it reacts much	bởi nó phản ứng
	quicker than the blow.	nhanh hơn cú đánh.

44:59	I don't know if you are	Không biết bạn theo kịp không.
	following all this.

45:02	Right?	Phải không?

45:05	And it has the capacity	Và nó có khả năng
	to heal itself.	chữa lành chính nó.

45:15	I won't go further	Tôi sẽ không đi sâu hơn.
	into it.

45:19	So the brain knows	Vậy não biết bạo lực là gì,
	what is violence,

45:25	can react	có thể phản ứng với bạo lực ấy
	to that violence

45:29	but for the brain itself	để cho não tự ý thức,
	to be conscious,

45:36	conscious of the freedom of	ý thức về thoát khỏi
	violence. You understand?	bạo lực. Hiểu không?

45:42	Am I explaining anything,	Tôi giải thích gì đó,
	or am I clear as mud?	hay khó hiểu thêm?

45:49	Probably clear as mud!	Chắc là khó hiểu thêm!

45:56	Sir, let's make it	Nào, hãy đơn giản thôi.
	very simple.

46:02	When you know somebody is	Khi bạn biết ai đó đang giận,
	angry, your whole body reacts.	cả cơ thể bạn phản ứng.

46:15	The chemical response,	Đáp ứng hóa học, mọi thứ, xảy ra
	all of that, takes place

46:17	and there is immediate response,	và có đáp ứng tức thì,
	you may not hit back	bạn có thể đánh lại

46:21	but by the very presence	nhưng bởi chính hiện
	of anger or hatred	diện của giận hay thù

46:26	there is an action.	có hành động. Phải không?
	Right?

46:30	Now, in the presence of violence,	Giờ, hiện diện của bạo lực,
	not to have this response.	mà không có đáp ứng.

46:43	I wonder if you	Không rõ bạn có hiểu! Phải không?
	understand! Right?

46:45	Am I explaining it?	Tôi đang giải thích chứ?
	Try it some time.	Thử lúc khác vậy.

46:49	I hope you never	Mong bạn không bao giờ
	face violence	đối mặt bạo lực

46:52	but I am sure	nhưng chắc bạn sẽ
	you will face anger.	giáp mặt giận dữ.

46:58	And in the presence	Và khi hiện diện
	of a person who is angry	của người đang giận

47:03	see what takes place, be aware	xem việc gì xảy ra, ý thức nó
	of it and not react. You follow?	và không phản ứng. Kịp không?

47:12	That is, the moment you are	Tức là, lúc bạn ý thức
	aware of the other person's anger	người khác giận dữ

47:16	and you do not	và chính bạn không đáp ứng
	yourself respond

47:19	there is quite	có một đáp ứng hoàn toàn khác.
	a different response.

47:24	I wonder if you	Không biết bạn hiểu không.
	understand this.

47:25	Don't call it love	Đừng gọi là tình thương hay gì gì.
	and all that kind of stuff.

47:34	This response, which is our instinct:	Đáp ứng, là bản năng:
	to respond to hate by hate,	đáp ứng thù với thù,

47:47	to anger by anger,	giận với giận,

47:50	but in the presence of anger	nhưng khi hiện diện của
	there is this - you follow? -	giận có cái - kịp không? -

47:56	the welling up which	trào dâng tạo ra trong hệ thống
	creates in the system

48:03	nervous reactions and	phản ứng thần kinh, v.v.., hóa học,
	so on, chemically,

48:06	but to quieten all this	nhưng lặng yên mọi
	in the presence of anger	cái đó khi có giận

48:11	and then there is a different	và rồi có hành động khác xảy ra
	action taking place

48:15	when you are confronted	khi bạn giáp mặt với bạo lực.
	with violence.

48:19	Have I made this clear?	Tôi nói rõ không?

48:23	Or is it still muddy?	Hay vẫn khó hiểu?

48:26	Right, sir?	Phải không?

48:28	No? Is it clear?	Không à? Rõ chứ? - ít ra bằng lời.
	- at least verbally.

48:42	Third question: 'The hope that	Câu thức ba: 'Hy vọng rằng
	tomorrow will solve our problems	ngày mai sẽ giải quyết vấn đề

48:46	prevents our seeing the	ngăn cản thấy khẩn thiết
	absolute urgency of change.	tuyệt đối của thay đổi.

48:52	How does one deal	Làm sao xử sự đây?'
	with this?'

48:56	'The hope that tomorrow	'Hy vọng rằng ngày mai
	will solve our problems	sẽ giải quyết vấn đề

49:01	prevents our seeing the	ngăn cản thấy khẩn thiết
	absolute urgency of change.	tuyệt đối của thay đổi.

49:07	How does one deal	Làm sao xử sự đây?'
	with this?'

49:14	Is that the reason	Đó là lý do chúng ta
	that we don't change?	không thay đổi?

49:20	That tomorrow - the hope	Rằng ngày mai - hy vọng
	of it - that the future,	nó - rằng tương lai,

49:30	tomorrow, next year	ngày mai, năm tới, v.v.., tương lai,
	and so on, the future,

49:39	because our minds are	bởi trí óc bị qui định
	conditioned to the future,	với tương lai,

49:45	the questioner asks, is that	anh bạn hỏi, phải đó là lý do
	the reason why we don't change.	chúng ta không thay đổi.

49:53	Now if you go into... We	Giờ nếu bạn... Chúng ta
	are going into this question.	sẽ đi sâu vấn đề.

49:56	What do you mean by the	Ý bạn tương lai là gì?
	future? What is future?	Tương lai là gì?

50:04	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

50:11	If one is desperately ill,	Nếu bạn bịnh quá nặng,
	tomorrow has meaning.	tương lai có ý nghĩa.

50:22	You understand?	Hiểu không?

50:25	Because I may be healed	Bởi mai tôi sẽ được chữa lành.
	by tomorrow.

50:35	And so we must ask:	Và vậy phải hỏi:
	what is this sense of future?	ý nghĩa tương lai là gì?

50:42	What is future? You	Tương lai là gì?
	understand my question?	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?

50:47	What is future?	Tương lai là gì?

50:52	Because we know the past	Bởi chúng ta biết quá khứ
	- you understand? -	- bạn biết chứ? -

51:00	and because we live in	và bởi chúng ta sống trong
	the past, which is a fact,	quá khứ, là thực tế,

51:06	the opposite movement,	vận hành đối nghịch, là quá khứ
	that is the past

51:11	going through the present	trải qua hiện tại -
	- right? - modifying itself,	phải không? - tự canh cải,

51:20	moves to that	đi đến cái gọi là tương lai.
	which we call the future.

51:25	Right? Are you	Phải không? Bạn theo kịp không?
	following this, sir?

51:29	First of all do we know, are we	Trước hết, chúng ta có biết,
	aware that we live in the past?	ý thức mình sống quá khứ?

51:42	Right? We live in the	Phải không? Chúng ta sống
	past, don't we?	trong quá khứ, phải không?

51:48	And that past is always	Và quá khứ ấy luôn tự canh cải,
	modifying itself,

51:56	adjusting itself, expanding	tự điều chỉnh, tự khuếch
	itself, contracting	trương, thu hẹp

52:00	but it is still the past.	nhưng vẫn là quá khứ.

52:05	Past experience, past knowledge,	Kinh nghiệm cũ, kiến thức cũ,
	past understanding, past delight,	biết cũ, thích thú cũ,

52:12	the pleasure which has become	vui thú trở thành quá khứ,
	the past, and so on, so on.	v.v.., v.v..

52:17	So the future modified	Vậy tương lai bị canh cải
	is the past. Right?	là quá khứ. Phải không?

52:28	Right?	Đúng không?

52:30	I said the future is the	Tôi nói tương lai là sự
	modification of the past.	canh cải của quá khứ.

52:35	Right?	Phải không?

52:41	So the future	Vậy tương lai là
	is the past, modified.	quá khứ, bị canh cải.

52:47	I wonder if you	Không biết bạn có thấy vậy.
	see this.

52:52	So my hope of the	Vậy hy vọng tương lai
	future is still the past	vẫn là quá khứ

53:01	moving to what I	đi tới cái tôi xem như tương lai.
	consider the future.

53:07	Right?	Phải không?

53:10	Right, sir?	Đúng không?

53:15	I must talk to someone!	Tôi phải nói với ai đó! (Cười)
	(Laughs)

53:22	So the mind has never	Vậy trí óc không hề
	moved out of the past.	đến từ quá khứ.

53:27	That's all I want	Đó là điều tôi muốn
	to get at. Right?	hiểu. Phải không?

53:31	The future	Tương lai vẫn là quá khứ,
	is still the past,

53:37	so the mind is always acting,	nên trí óc luôn hành động,
	living, thinking in the past.	sống, suy nghĩ trong quá khứ.

53:47	And so	Vậy có thể nào dứt quá khứ,
	can the past end,

53:55	not the seeing of absolute	chứ không phải thấy
	necessity of change?	tuyệt đối cần thay đổi?

54:04	Do you understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

54:09	What is the past?	Quá khứ là gì?

54:10	Let's look at that for a while.	Hãy nhìn nó một lát.
	What is the past?	Quá khứ là gì?

54:16	My racial inheritance, my	Di truyền chủng tộc,
	conditioning as this or that,	qui định như này, nọ,

54:26	as a Hindu, Buddhist, Christian,	như Hinđu, Phật giáo,
	Catholic, American and so on.	Cơ đốc, Ky tô, Mỹ, v.v..

54:34	The past is the education	Quá khứ là giáo dục tôi đã nhận,
	I have received,

54:37	the past is the experiences	quá khứ là kinh nghiệm tôi đã có,
	which I have had,

54:43	the hurts, the delights,	tổn thương, hân hoan, nhớ lại, v.v..
	the remembrances and so on.

54:47	That is the past.	Đó là quá khứ.

54:52	Right sir?	Phải không?

54:55	That is my consciousness,	Đó là nhận thức tôi,
	that's our consciousness,	nhận thức chúng ta,

55:00	it is not my consciousness,	không phải nhận thức tôi,
	it is our consciousness.	là nhận thức chúng ta.

55:09	So can that consciousness	Vậy có thể nhận thức ấy
	with all its content	với tích chứa

55:16	which is my belief, my dogmas,	là niềm tin, giáo điều,
	my hopes, my fears,	hy vọng, sợ hãi,

55:21	my longings, my illusions	mong muốn, ảo tưởng,
	and so on, all that end?	v.v.., chấm dứt hết?

55:30	Sir, you don't know	Bạn không hiểu hết nó.
	all this.

55:37	Now, look.	Nào, nhìn đi.

55:41	Can you end this morning completely	Sáng nay bạn có thể hoàn toàn
	your dependence on another?	chấm dứt lệ thuộc ai khác?

55:52	Because that is part of your	Bởi đó là một phần
	consciousness. Right?	nhận thức bạn. Phải không?

55:57	Because the moment you end,	Bởi lúc bạn chấm dứt,
	something new begins.	cái mới bắt đầu.

56:04	Obviously.	Dĩ nhiên.

56:09	But we never end	Nhưng chúng ta không hề
	anything completely.	chấm dứt gì hoàn toàn.

56:19	The non-ending	Cái không chấm dứt ấy
	is the hope. Right?	là hy vọng. Phải không?

56:31	Are you following	Bạn theo kịp chứ?
	this, sir?

56:34	So can you end	Vậy bạn có thể chấm dứt

56:40	and see the consequences	và nhìn hậu quả của lệ thuộc
	of dependence

56:46	psychologically - I don't	tâm lý - tôi không nói bên ngoài,
	mean outwardly,

56:50	I depend on the postman,	tôi lệ thuộc người đưa thư,
	telephone, this, that and the other -	điện thoại, này, nọ, kia -

56:54	but psychologically, inwardly,	nhưng tâm lý, bên trong,
	see what it means to depend	nhìn xem lệ thuộc nghĩa gì

57:02	and immediate action taking	và hành động tức thì
	place - the ending of it.	xảy ra - chấm dứt nó.

57:15	Now, the point is...	Giờ vấn đề là...

57:17	Is the content of our	Có phải tích chứa nhận thức
	consciousness

57:20	to be done bit by bit?	được làm từng chút? Hiểu không?
	You understand?

57:24	That is, get rid of anger,	Tức là, bỏ giận dữ,
	get rid of jealousy - you follow? -	bỏ ghen tị - kịp không? -

57:31	bit by bit by bit.	dần dần.

57:35	That would take too long,	Vậy là quá lâu, phải không?
	wouldn't it?

57:40	Or can the whole thing	Hay toàn bộ có thể
	be done instantly, immediately?	được làm ngay, tức thì?

57:49	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question, sirs?

57:57	That is, taking the content of	Tức là, nắm tích chứa
	our consciousness one by one	nhận thức từng cái một

58:06	and ending them	và chấm dứt chúng sẽ mất cả đời
	will take all one's life

58:18	or perhaps many days,	hay nhiều ngày, nhiều năm.
	many years.

58:23	But is it possible to see	Nhưng có thể thấy toàn thể
	the whole content and end it?	tích chứa và chấm dứt nó?

58:33	You understand	Bạn hiểu không?
	my question?

58:36	To see the whole content,	Thấy toàn bộ tích chứa,
	the whole of it,	toàn bộ nó,

58:43	which is fairly simple	là khá đơn giản - nếu bạn làm.
	- if you do it.

58:47	But our minds are	Nhưng trí óc quá qui định nên
	so conditioned

58:50	that we allow time	chúng ta cho thời gian
	as a factor to change.	như tác nhân thay đổi.

59:03	I hope we are answering	Hy vọng chúng ta
	these questions.	trả lời mấy câu hỏi.

59:13	Fourth question: 'Are there	Câu thứ tư: 'Có cần thiết tâm lý
	any psychological needs

59:17	which we human beings	con người trách nhiệm gặp nhau
	are responsible

59:21	for meeting in our daily	trong quan hệ hàng
	relationship with others?	ngày với người khác?

59:25	Is there such a thing as	Có việc như là cần
	true psychological need?'	thiết tâm lý thực?'

59:32	That's the real question:	Đó là câu hỏi thực:
	is there such a thing	có việc gì như

59:36	as a true psychological	là cần thiết tâm lý thực?
	need?

59:41	You have answered the question	Bạn đã tự trả lời câu hỏi,
	yourself, haven't you?	phải không?

59:46	Need I answer it?	Cần tôi trả lời à?

59:49	Need I answer the question?	Tôi cần trả lời không?
	Oh, I do need to answer it?	Ồ, tôi phải trả lời à?

59:59	No, thank God!	Không, ơn Trời!

1:00:06	Fifth question: 'What does it mean	Câu thứ năm: 'Nhìn toàn
	to see the totality of something?	thể vật gì nghĩa là gì?

1:00:10	Is it ever possible	Có thể nào nhận thức
	to perceive

1:00:12	the totality of something	toàn thể vật gì đang chuyển động?'
	which is moving?'

1:00:17	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	the question?

1:00:20	'What does it mean to see	'Nhìn toàn thể
	the totality of something?	vật gì nghĩa là sao?

1:00:26	Is it ever possible	Có thể nào nhận thức
	to perceive

1:00:29	the totality of something	toàn thể vật gì đang chuyển động?'
	which is moving?'

1:00:36	Shall we do it	Chúng ta sẽ cùng làm chứ?
	together?

1:00:43	As we said in the previous	Như đã nói ở câu trước, khi đi sâu,
	question, in going into it,

1:00:48	to perceive the totality	để nhận thức toàn
	of our consciousness.	bộ nhận thức mình.

1:00:52	Right?	Phải không?

1:00:56	That consciousness	Nhận thức ấy thành
	is centred as the 'me',	trung tâm như 'tôi',

1:01:04	the self, the egotistic activity,	cái ngã, hoạt động vị ngã,
	self-centred movement	vận hành vị ngã

1:01:15	which is the totality	nó là toàn bộ nhận thức chúng ta.
	of our consciousness.

1:01:19	Right?	Phải không?

1:01:21	Now can we see that	Giờ có thể nhìn nó hoàn toàn?
	completely?

1:01:25	Of course you can.	Dĩ nhiên bạn có thể.

1:01:29	Right? Is that difficult	Phải không? Khó hay là...
	or is it...

1:01:33	That is, one's consciousness	Tức là, nhận thức
	is made up of all its content.	hình thành do tích chứa.

1:01:42	Right?	Phải không?

1:01:44	That's clear.	Rõ rồi.

1:01:45	That is, my jealousy,	Tức là, ghen tị,
	my nationality, my beliefs,	quốc tịch, niềm tin,

1:01:49	my experiences and	kinh nghiệm, v.v..
	so on, so on, so on,

1:01:53	that is the content of this	đó là tích chứa của
	thing called consciousness.	cái gọi là nhận thức.

1:02:00	The core of that is me,	Cốt lõi là tôi, ngã. Phải không?
	the self. Right?

1:02:09	To see this thing	Nhìn vật ấy toàn thể đi.
	entirely now.

1:02:18	Right?	Phải không?

1:02:20	Right, sir?	Đúng không?

1:02:22	Can you do it?	Có thể làm chứ?
	Of course you can.	Dĩ nhiên bạn có thể.

1:02:26	Which means giving	Nghĩa là hoàn toàn
	complete attention to it.	chú tâm đến nó.

1:02:33	Right?	Phải không?

1:02:36	Again, we rarely give complete	Chúng ta hiếm khi để tâm
	attention to anything.	hoàn toàn việc gì.

1:02:43	Now we are asking	Giờ chúng ta yêu cầu:
	each other:

1:02:47	give complete attention	để tâm hoàn toàn đến tích chứa
	to this content

1:02:51	which is at the very	là ở cốt lõi cái ngã.
	core of the self.

1:02:57	The self, the 'me'	Cái ngã, 'tôi' là
	is the essence of that.	nền tảng của nó.

1:03:04	And give attention to it, and you	Và để tâm đến nó, bạn nhìn
	see the whole, don't you?	toàn thể, phải không?

1:03:15	Now the questioner says also,	Anh bạn hỏi cũng nói,
	- it is interesting - which is	- thú vị đó - tức là

1:03:20	is it ever possible	có thể nhận thức toàn thể
	to perceive the totality

1:03:24	of something which	vật gì đang chuyển động?
	is moving?

1:03:30	Is the self moving?	Cái ngã chuyển động chứ?

1:03:34	Is the content of your	Tích chứa nhận thức bạn
	consciousness moving?	chuyển động chứ?

1:03:38	It is moving within the limits	Nó chuyển động trong
	of itself. Right, sir?	giới hạn của nó. Phải không?

1:03:49	I wonder... are you	Không biết... bạn theo kịp không?
	following all this?

1:03:52	Am I talking to myself?	Tôi nói với chính tôi à?

1:04:00	Sir, look, what is moving	Nhìn đi, cái gì chuyển động
	in consciousness?	trong nhận thức?

1:04:08	Attachment, the fear	Bám víu, sợ không được bám víu,
	of not being attached,

1:04:15	the fear of what might happen	sợ gì đó xảy ra nếu
	if I am not attached?	tôi không bám víu?

1:04:20	Which is what? Moving	Đó là gì? Chuyển động
	within its own radius,	trong bán kính riêng,

1:04:27	- right? - within its	- phải không? - trong
	own limited area.	khu giới hạn riêng.

1:04:31	That you can observe.	Cái đó bạn có thể quan sát.

1:04:38	So you can observe	Vậy bạn có thể
	that which is limited.	quan sát cái giới hạn.

1:04:44	So, I want to go into this a	Nên tôi muốn đi sâu
	little bit, don't be shocked.	một chút, đừng bị xốc nhé.

1:04:48	Is our consciousness,	Nhận thức với tích chứa,
	with its content, living?	sống chứ?

1:04:57	You understand	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?
	my question?

1:05:02	Are my ideas living?	Ý niệm sống chứ?

1:05:07	Your belief living?	Niềm tin sống chứ?

1:05:13	So what is living?	Vậy cái gì sống?

1:05:18	Are you following this?	Theo kịp không?

1:05:21	One has an experience, pleasant,	Bạn có kinh nghiệm, vui thích,
	unpleasant, noble, ignoble,	không vui, quý phái, không quý,

1:05:27	so-called enlightenment - you	cái gọi là tỏ ngộ - bạn không
	cannot have experience of truth,	thể kinh nghiệm về chân lý,

1:05:32	of enlightenment,	về tỏ ngộ, nó không liên quan.
	that's irrelevant.

1:05:36	So is the experience	Vậy, kinh nghiệm bạn có, nó sống?
	that you have had, living?

1:05:44	Or the remembrance of	Hay nhớ lại kinh nghiệm, nó sống?
	that experience is living?

1:05:52	Right? The remembrance,	Phải không? Nhớ lại,
	not the fact.	không phải thực tế.

1:05:59	The fact has gone.	Thực tế qua rồi.

1:06:04	But the movement of remembrance	Nhưng vận hành nhớ lại
	is what is called living.	là cái gọi là sống.

1:06:10	You follow?	Kịp không? Nào, tiếp đi!
	Come on, sirs, move!

1:06:18	So the experience,	Vậy kinh nghiệm
	which is gone, of course,	đã qua rồi, dĩ nhiên,

1:06:26	that is remembered, that	nó được nhớ lại,
	remembrance is called living.	nhớ lại ấy gọi là sống.

1:06:34	Right? That you can watch,	Phải không? Bạn có thể quan sát,
	but not that which is gone.	nhưng không phải cái đã qua.

1:06:41	I wonder	Không biết bạn có thấy thế.
	if you see this.

1:06:45	So what we call living is that	Vậy chúng ta gọi sống là
	which has happened and gone.	việc đã xảy ra và đi rồi.

1:06:53	See sir,	Nhìn đi, bạn đang làm gì?
	what you are doing?

1:07:02	That which has gone	Cái đi qua và đã chết,
	and dead,

1:07:07	our minds are so dead,	trí óc chết vậy đó,

1:07:13	and the remembrance	và nhớ lại mọi cái đó
	of all that

1:07:16	is called living.	gọi là sống.

1:07:19	That is the tragedy	Đó là bi kịch cuộc đời.
	of our life.

1:07:31	I remember the friends	Tôi nhớ lại bè bạn
	we have had, they are gone,	tôi đã có, họ đi rồi,

1:07:37	the brothers, the sisters,	anh chị, em, vợ, đã chết,
	the wives that are dead,

1:07:40	the mothers,	mẹ, tôi nhớ lại.
	I remember.

1:07:44	The remembrance is identified	Nhớ lại đồng hóa với hình ảnh
	with the photograph

1:07:51	and the constant looking at it,	và nhìn mãi vào đó,
	remembering it, is the living.	nhớ lại nó, là sống.

1:07:56	You understand,	Hiểu không?
	sir?

1:08:01	And that's what	Và đó chúng ta gọi là sống.
	we call living.

1:08:11	What time is it, sir?	Mấy giờ rồi?
	Q: Twenty five to one.	Q: Một giờ kém hai lăm.

1:08:18	K: I think we better stop.	K: Tôi nghĩ nên dừng.

1:08:23	May I stop?	Dừng lại chứ?

1:08:29	I was told I must stop	Tôi đã nói phải dừng
	at exactly an hour	đúng một tiếng

1:08:32	because of the tape!	bởi thu băng! (Cười)
	(Laughter)

1:08:42	This is a rather	Đây là câu hỏi khá thú vị.
	interesting question.

1:08:44	Sixth question: 'Is there a state	Câu thứ sáu: 'Có chăng
	that has no opposite	trạng thái không đối nghịch

1:08:47	and may we know	và có thể biết cách
	how to commune with it?'	liên hệ với nó?'

1:08:57	'Is there a state that	'Có chăng trạng thái
	has no opposite	không đối nghịch

1:09:01	and may we know	và có thể biết cách
	how to communicate with it?'	liên hệ với nó?'

1:09:10	Let's be very simple	Hãy đơn giản việc này.
	about this.

1:09:13	Is there opposite, except	Có đối nghịch chăng,
	man, woman, darkness, light,	trừ nam, nữ, tối, sáng,

1:09:19	tall, short,	cao thấp, tóc đậm tóc nhạt,
	fair hair, dark hair,

1:09:24	the tree - differences -	cây cối - khác nhau - ngày và đêm.
	night and day.

1:09:31	And is there an opposite	Và có đối nghịch với tốt không?
	to goodness?

1:09:39	If it has an opposite	Nếu có đối nghịch
	it is not good.	nó không phải tốt.

1:09:44	Right? I wonder if	Phải không? Bạn có thấy vậy?
	you see that.

1:09:50	Goodness, if it has	Tốt, nếu có đối nghịch
	an opposite

1:09:56	then that goodness must be	thì tốt ấy phải sinh
	born out of the opposite.	ra từ đối nghịch.

1:10:02	Do you follow this?	Bạn theo kịp không?

1:10:04	Am I too quick?	Tôi đi nhanh quá à?

1:10:07	All right,	Được rồi, tôi sẽ đi chậm.
	let me go slowly.

1:10:13	You see, I don't think about all	Bạn xem, tôi không nghĩ
	this, it is forced out of me. So.	việc này, tôi bị ép. Vậy đó.

1:10:19	Goodness.	Tốt.

1:10:24	What is an opposite?	Đối nghịch là gì?

1:10:31	We have cultivated opposites	Chúng ta trau dồi đối nghịch
	- haven't we? - good, bad.	- phải không? - tốt, xấu.

1:10:39	And we say, 'goodness'	Và nói, 'tốt' nghịch với 'xấu'
	is the opposite of 'bad'

1:10:44	bad in quotes, both	xấu trong ngoặc, trong ngoặc hết.
	in quotes.

1:10:47	Now if they have a relationship	Giờ nếu chúng có quan hệ nhau
	with each other

1:10:54	or outcome	hay là kết quả của nhau
	of each other

1:10:57	then this is not good, good	thì nó không phải tốt,
	is still rooted in the bad.	tốt vẫn kẹt trong xấu.

1:11:05	Are you following	Theo kịp hết không?
	all this?

1:11:09	So is there opposite	Vậy có đối nghịch không?
	at all?

1:11:17	You understand?	Hiểu không?

1:11:20	I am violent,	Tôi bạo lực, có bạo lực.
	there is violence.

1:11:25	Thought has created non-violence,	Suy nghĩ tạo ra không bạo lực,
	which is non-fact,	là không thực tế,

1:11:33	because the	bởi chấm dứt bạo lực là
	ending of violence

1:11:37	is quite a different state	trạng thái hoàn toàn
	from non-violence.	khác với không bạo lực.

1:11:42	Right? So mind	Phải không? Vậy
	has created the opposite	trí óc tạo ra đối nghịch

1:11:48	in order either to	là để chạy trốn hành động
	escape from action

1:11:53	- right? - or in order to	- phải không? - hay
	get over violence	để vượt qua bạo lực

1:12:02	or suppress violence.	hay loại bỏ bạo lực.

1:12:07	All this activity	Mọi hoạt động ấy là
	is part of violence.	một phần bạo lực.

1:12:11	Are you meeting	Bạn hiểu hết không?
	all this?

1:12:16	So if you are only	Vậy nếu bạn chỉ
	concerned with the fact,	quan tâm đến thực tế,

1:12:24	facts have no opposites.	thực tế không có đối nghịch.
	Right?	Phải không?

1:12:33	I wonder	Không biết bạn có thấy vậy.
	if you see that.

1:12:38	I am concerned, say	Tôi quan tâm, ví dụ
	for instance

1:12:41	if I hate - I hope I don't -	nếu tôi ghét - mong là không
	suppose I hate.	- giả sử tôi ghét.

1:12:51	My mind, my thought, society	Trí óc, suy nghĩ, xã hội
	will say, 'Don't hate'.	sẽ nói, 'Đừng ghét'.

1:12:58	Right?	Phải không? Nó là đối nghịch.
	Which is the opposite.

1:13:04	The opposite is born out	Đối nghịch sinh ra từ đối nghịch.
	of its own opposite.

1:13:10	Right?	Phải không?

1:13:12	Right - do you	Đúng không - theo kịp chứ?
	follow that?

1:13:14	So there is only hate,	Vậy chỉ có ghét,
	not its opposite.	không có đối nghịch.

1:13:19	If I observe that fact and all	Nếu quan sát thực tế và đáp
	the responses to that fact,	ứng trọn vẹn với thực tế ấy,

1:13:27	why should I have	tại sao tôi phải có đối nghịch?
	an opposite?

1:13:29	You understand what	Bạn hiểu lời tôi chứ?
	I'm saying?

1:13:33	The opposite has been	Đối nghịch tạo ra bởi suy nghĩ
	created by thought

1:13:37	and therefore there is	và vì vậy có đấu tranh mãi
	constant struggle

1:13:39	between hate and non-hate:	giữa ghét và không ghét:
	'How am I to get over my hate?'	'Làm sao tôi vượt qua ghét?'

1:13:46	But if only that fact remains	Nhưng nếu chỉ có thực tế
	and not its opposite	và không đối nghịch

1:13:52	you have the energy	bạn có năng lực để nhìn nó.
	to look at it.

1:13:57	Right?	Phải không?

1:13:58	You have the energy to do...	Bạn có năng lực để làm...
	No, not do anything about it,	Không, chẳng làm gì về nó,

1:14:04	the very fact is dissolved	chính thực tế giải tan
	when you observe it.	khi bạn quan sát nó.

1:14:12	Have you got it?	Bạn hiểu không?

1:14:16	That's enough sir.	Vậy là xong nhé.