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Krishnamurti Subtitles

Trí óc con người có thể hoàn toàn thoát sợ hãi?

San Diego - 6 April 1970

Public Talk 2

0:17	Krishnamurti:	Bạn phải nghiêm túc.
	One has to be serious.

0:22	It is only those who are	Chỉ người thực sự, hết sức
	really, vitally serious,

0:29	can live properly,	nghiêm túc, mới
		có thể sống đúng,

0:32	can live a life	có thể sống đời hoàn
	that is complete and whole.	toàn và trọn vẹn.

0:39	And that seriousness	Và nghiêm túc không loại
	doesn’t exclude joy, enjoyment.	bỏ niềm vui, hân hoan.

0:54	But as long as there is fear,	Nhưng hễ còn sợ hãi,

1:02	one cannot possibly	bạn không thể nghiêm
	be serious, or enjoy,	túc, hay hân hoan,

1:09	know what it means	hay biết ý nghĩa
	to have great joy.	hân hoan là gì.

1:16	And fear seems to be one	Và sợ hãi hình như là một
	of the most common things in life,	việc chung nhất trong đời,

1:26	and strangely, we have accepted it	và lạ lùng chúng ta chấp
	as a way of life,	nhận nó như lối sống,

1:34	as we have accepted violence in all	như chấp nhận mọi hình
	its various forms as a way of life,	thức bạo lực như lối sống,

1:44	we have also accepted,	chúng ta cũng chấp
	and have got used to,	nhận và quen thuộc...

1:49	being psychologically	...với sợ hãi, tâm lý
	as well as physically, afraid.	cũng như vật lý.

1:58	And this evening,	Và chiều nay, nếu có thể,
	if we can,

2:05	we should go	chúng ta sẽ tìm
	into this question.	hiểu vấn đề này.

2:12	We should, I feel,	Tôi thấy, chúng ta sẽ
	go into it so completely	tìm hiểu đầy đủ...

2:23	that we understand it so fully,	...để thấu hiểu nó trọn vẹn,

2:32	that when we leave	để khi rời hội trường,
	the hall, or this place,	hay nơi này,

2:37	we shall be rid of this fear.	chúng ta sẽ lìa sợ hãi.

2:43	I think it can be done;	Tôi nghĩ có thể được,

2:46	it isn’t just a theory,	không chỉ lý thuyết,
	or a hope,	hay hy vọng,

2:56	but if one gives,	nhưng nếu bạn, như chúng ta sắp,
	as we shall presently,

3:01	complete attention	hoàn toàn chú tâm
	to this question of fear,	vào vấn đề sợ hãi,

3:07	I’m quite sure,	tôi chắc rằng khi thám hiểm
		nguyên nhân sợ hãi...

3:10	that in exploring the causes of fear

3:21	and also how to approach it,	...và cả làm sao tiếp cận nó,

3:26	how to look at it,	làm sao nhìn, làm sao
	how to completely end it,	chấm dứt hết nó,

3:36	so that our mind,	để trí óc,

3:39	the human mind	trí óc con người đã
	that has suffered so much,	đau khổ quá nhiều,

3:44	that has endured	đã chịu đựng nhiều đau đớn,
	so much pain,

3:47	that has lived	đã sống với thống
	with great sorrow and fear,	khổ và sợ hãi,

3:54	such a mind can completely	trí óc ấy hoàn toàn có thể
	be free of this thing called fear.	thoát khỏi cái gọi là sợ.

4:11	And to understand it,	Và để hiểu nó,

4:15	we must communicate	chúng ta phải trau đổi
	with each other quite easily.	nhau thật dễ dàng.

4:25	Communication implies,	Trau đổi hàm ý, chính chữ nghĩa là,
	the very word means,

4:31	creating together,	cùng tạo ra, cùng thấu hiểu,
	understanding together,

4:37	working together;	cùng làm việc;

4:42	not that you merely	không phải bạn
	listen to the speaker,	chỉ nghe người nói,

4:50	hear a few words or ideas,	nghe vài chữ hay ý niệm,

4:54	but with the speaker	mà cùng với người
	take a journey together,	nói hành trình,

5:07	and understand this very	và thấu hiểu vấn đề
	complex problem of fear.	sợ hãi quá phức tạp này.

5:18	And to communicate,	Và để trau đổi,

5:23	to take this journey together,	để cùng nhau hành trình,

5:26	implies neither acceptance	hàm ý không chấp
	nor denial,	nhận hay từ chối,

5:38	not saying to oneself,	không nói với chính mình,
		'tuyệt đối không thể bỏ sợ hãi',

5:39	‘it is absolutely impossible
	to be rid of fear’,

5:44	or rationalise fear,	hay lý giải sợ,
	or accept it –	hay chấp nhận nó -

5:51	you need a free mind	bạn cần trí óc tự do
	to enquire into this question,	để tìm hiểu vấn đề,

5:59	a mind that has no conclusion,	trí óc không kết luận,

6:05	that doesn’t say,	không nói, có thể hay không thể.
	it is possible or it’s not possible.

6:10	Because we are enquiring,	Bởi chúng ta cùng
	exploring together.	tìm tòi, thám sát.

6:15	So you must be free	Nên bạn phải tự do
	to observe, to enquire.	để quan sát, tìm tòi.

6:22	And that’s absolutely essential.	Và đó hết sức cơ bản.

6:31	So that one has	Vậy bạn không có
	no prejudice to find out,	định kiến để khám phá,

6:34	prejudice which will prevent	định kiến sẽ ngăn cản
		thấu hiểu sự thật của nó,

6:36	the understanding
	of the truth of it,

6:39	of ‘what is’.	...của 'hiện là'.

6:42	You see, there are	Bạn xem, có rất nhiều
	so many forms of fear,	hình thức sợ hãi,

6:51	both physical	cả sợ hãi vật lý cũng
	as well as psychological,	như tâm lý, thần kinh.

6:55	psychosomatic fears.

7:01	And to go into each one	Và để tìm hiểu mỗi
	of these various forms of fear	hình thức sợ hãi...

7:09	requires enormous time,	...đòi hỏi nhiều thời gian,
	demands a great many days	cần rất nhiều ngày...

7:14	to go into every aspect	...vào từng phương
	of every fear.	diện của mỗi sợ hãi.

7:21	But I think	Nhưng tôi nghĩ bạn
	one can observe	có thể quan sát...

7:31	the quality of fear,	đặc tính sợ hãi, sợ hãi chung,
	the general fear,

7:38	not a particular fear,	không phải sợ hãi riêng,

7:46	observe the nature of fear,	quan sát bản chất sợ hãi,
	the structure of fear,

7:53	not get lost in a detail	cấu trúc sợ hãi,

7:56	or in a particular form	không lạc vào chi tiết hay
	of one’s own fear.	hình thức nào của sợ hãi riêng.

8:06	Because when we understand	Bởi khi thấu hiểu cấu trúc
		và bản chất của sợ hãi,

8:10	the nature and the structure
	of fear,

8:16	then we can apply	thì có thể áp dụng
	that understanding,	thấu hiểu ấy,

8:22	or come with that understanding,	hay đi cùng thấu hiểu ấy,
	or approach with that understanding,

8:26	of a particular fear.	hay tiếp cận với thấu hiểu
		ấy, vào sợ hãi riêng.

8:31	One may be afraid of the dark,	Bạn có thể sợ
	physically,	bóng tối, vật lý,

8:37	or one may be afraid	hay bạn có thể sợ
	of one’s wife or husband,	vợ hay chồng,

8:44	or what the public says	hay điều mọi người
	or thinks or does.	nói hay nghĩ hay làm.

8:51	Or one may be afraid	Hay bạn có thể sợ
	of this sense of loneliness,	cảm giác cô đơn,

9:02	or the emptiness of life,	hay trống rỗng của cuộc đời,

9:10	the boredom of a meaningless	nhàm chán hiện hữu
	existence that one leads.	vô nghĩa bạn kéo lê.

9:21	Or one may be afraid of the future,	Hay bạn có thể sợ tương lai,

9:26	the tomorrow, the uncertainty,	ngày mai, bất định, bất an,
	the insecurity,

9:34	the bomb.	bom.

9:38	Or one may afraid of death,	Hay bạn có thể sợ chết,

9:45	the ending of one’s life.	chấm dứt cuộc đời.

9:51	So there are various	Vậy có nhiều hình thức sợ,
	forms of fear,

9:56	neurotic as well as sane,	sợ hãi loạn thần kinh
	rational fears,	hay tỉnh táo, đúng;

10:07	if fear can ever be	nếu sợ có thể là
	rational or sane.	tỉnh táo hay đúng.

10:11	But most of us, apparently,	Nhưng hầu hết hình như...

10:16	are neurotically afraid	...sợ hãi loạn thần kinh...

10:20	of both: the past,	...gồm cả, quá khứ,

10:24	of today and of tomorrow;	hôm nay và ngày mai;

10:30	the things that one has done	việc bạn đã làm
	in the past,	trong quá khứ...

10:37	or the ill health	hay bịnh tật đã bị trong
	that one has had in the past	quá khứ với mọi đớn đau...

10:42	with all its pain and agony,

10:44	and not wanting it repeated,	...và quằn quại và không
		muốn nó lặp lại...

10:47	and is one afraid of that,	...và bạn sợ nó, ngày mai.
	tomorrow.

10:53	One is afraid of time,	Bạn sợ thời gian, già đi,

11:00	growing old,

11:02	getting senile,	lão suy, lệ thuộc kẻ khác.

11:06	depending on another.

11:11	So there is fear of time,	Vậy có sợ thời gian,

11:23	fear of the past	sợ quá khứ và tương lai.
	and of the future.

11:35	And this fear of loneliness,	Và sợ cô đơn, cái chết,
	of death,

11:41	of public opinion,	dư luận, không thích nghi,
	of not conforming,

11:47	not being able to succeed,	không thể thành công,

11:51	not being able to fulfil,	không thể hoàn thành,

11:54	not being somebody in this	không là ai đó trong
	stupid world, and so on.	thế giới ngu ngốc này, v.v..

12:02	And there are	Và có rất nhiều sợ hãi,
	so many fears,

12:09	not only conscious fears,	không chỉ sợ hữu thức,

12:16	fear that one is aware of,	sợ hãi mà bạn ý thức,

12:20	but also there are fears deep down,	mà có cả sợ hãi rất sâu,

12:26	undiscovered, unexplored,	chưa hiển lộ, chưa thám sát,

12:31	in the deep recesses	trong nơi sâu kín
	of one’s own mind.	của trí óc bạn.

12:42	So the question is,	Nên vấn đề là,

12:45	not only how to deal	không chỉ làm sao xử sự
	with the conscious fears,	với sợ hữu thức...

12:53	as well as those	...mà cả những cái ẩn kín,
	that are hidden,

12:58	the fear of time,	sợ thời gian,

13:06	that is yesterday, of the things	tức là hôm qua,
	that one has done,	việc bạn đã làm,

13:14	the repetition of that misery,

13:21	of tomorrow,	lặp lại khổ sở ấy, ngày mai,

13:25	the uncertainty,	bất định, bất an,
	the insecurity,

13:31	both psychological	cả tâm lý lẫn vật lý.
	as well as physical.

13:42	And there are the fears	Và có sợ hãi về nổi cô đơn lớn lao...
	of great loneliness

13:54	and the escape	...và chạy trốn nổi cô đơn ấy.
	from that loneliness.

14:00	Surely fear is a movement	Chắc chắn sợ hãi
	away from ‘what is’,	là rời khỏi 'hiện là',

14:18	the flight, the escape,	bỏ chạy, trốn, tránh...
	the avoidance

14:25	of actually ‘what is’,	...cái 'hiện là',

14:29	the movement, the flight away	rời, bỏ chạy sinh ra sợ hãi.
	brings about fear.

14:37	That is,	Tức là, khi có so
		sánh loại nào đó,

14:41	when there is comparison
	of any kind,

14:49	it breeds fear –	sinh ra sợ -

15:00	comparing oneself	so sánh mình với ai khác...
	with another,

15:04	whom you think is greater,	...bạn nghĩ là lớn hơn,
	wiser, nobler, etc.	khôn hơn, quý hơn, v.v..

15:12	And the comparison of what you are	Và so sánh bạn
	with what you should be.	đang là với bạn sẽ là.

15:24	So fear is a movement away	Vậy sợ hãi là rời khỏi
	from the actual, the ‘what is’,	cái đang - cái 'hiện là',

15:32	the movement, not the object	rời khỏi, chứ không phải
	to which you escape.	vật bạn trốn vào.

15:43	And fear comes about	Và sợ xảy ra qua so sánh.
	through comparison.

15:57	And there is the fear,	Và có sợ hãi,

16:02	deeply hidden in oneself,	ẩn sâu trong chính bạn,

16:06	of which one is not aware.	mà bạn không ý thức.

16:09	So that these problems	Nên các vấn đề này
	are all very complex.	thảy rất phức tạp.

16:17	And none of these problems of fear	Và không vấn đề sợ hãi nào
	can be resolved through will,	có thể giải quyết qua ý chí,

16:28	– saying to oneself,	- nói với chính mình,
	‘I will not be afraid’.	'tôi sẽ không sợ'.

16:33	And the act of will	Và hành động của
	has no meaning.	ý chí không nghĩa gì.

16:37	I hope you are following all this.	Hy vọng bạn theo kịp hết.

16:43	It isn’t a game	Không phải trò tôi đùa với bạn,
	I am playing with you,

16:48	nor you playing	hay bạn đùa với tôi.
	a game with me.

16:53	We are considering	Chúng ta xem xét
	very serious problems	vấn đề nghiêm túc...

17:02	and therefore you have	...và vì vậy bạn
	to give your attention to it.	phải chú tâm đến nó.

17:07	And you cannot give attention	Và không thể chú tâm nếu
		bạn diễn dịch hay diễn giải,

17:11	if you’re interpreting
	or translating,

17:14	or comparing what is being said	hay so sánh điều đang nói
	with what you already know	với cái bạn đã biết -

17:20	– you have to listen.	bạn phải nghe.

17:23	And the art of listening	Và nghệ thuật nghe
	one has to learn,	bạn phải học,

17:34	because one doesn’t	bởi bạn chẳng nghe gì,
	listen at all,

17:38	one is always comparing,	bạn luôn so sánh, đánh giá,
	evaluating,

17:41	judging, denying.	phán đoán, chối bỏ.

17:47	Therefore you prevent yourself	Vì vậy bạn ngăn cản
	from actually listening.	mình thực sự nghe.

17:56	To listen so completely	Hoàn toàn nghe ai khác...
	to another

18:02	implies that you give	...hàm ý bạn hoàn
	your whole attention	toàn chú tâm -

18:07	– it doesn’t mean	không nghĩa là bạn
	you agree or disagree,	đồng ý hay không,

18:11	because there is no	bởi không có đồng ý
	agreement or disagreement	hay không đồng ý...

18:14	when we are	...khi bạn cùng thám sát.
	exploring together.

18:18	Only the microscope	Chỉ kính hiển vi
	through which you look	qua đó bạn nhìn...

18:26	may be dull,	...có thể mờ, có thể không rõ.
	may not be clear.

18:34	So if you have	Nên nếu bạn có
	a precision instrument,	dụng cụ chính xác...

18:40	then what you see	...thì cái bạn nhìn, là
	is what another will also see.	cái ai khác cũng nhìn.

18:48	Therefore there is	Thế nên không có vấn đề...
	no question

18:51	of agreement or disagreement,	...đồng ý hay không hay chối bỏ.
	or denial.

19:00	So we are trying	Vậy chúng ta cố xem xét...
	to examine

19:05	this whole question	...toàn bộ vấn đề sợ hãi này,
	of fear,

19:08	so you will have to give	nên bạn sẽ phải
	your attention, it’s your life,	chú tâm, nó là đời bạn,

19:14	because fear	bởi sợ làm mờ trí óc,
	deadens the mind,

19:18	makes the mind	làm trí óc vô cảm, đần độn.
	insensitive, dull.

19:22	How can a mind that is afraid,	Trí óc sợ làm sao
	love?	có thể yêu thương?

19:28	A mind that depends,	Trí óc lệ thuộc, ngoài sợ,
		có thể biết gì về niềm vui?

19:30	what can it know of joy,	Vậy...
	except fear?

19:47	So, there are conscious	có sợ hãi hữu thức
	as well as hidden fears.	cũng như ẩn kín.

19:54	How do you	Làm sao bạn -
	– first, enquiry –	tìm tòi trước -

19:57	how do you expose	làm sao bạn vạch
	those hidden fears?	trần sợ ẩn kín?

20:02	And when you do	Và khi bạn vạch chúng ra,
	expose them,

20:05	how will you	làm sao thoát khỏi chúng,
	be free of them,

20:07	how can the mind be free of them?	làm sao trí óc có thể thoát
	That is the first question.	chúng? Đó là câu hỏi thứ nhất.

20:13	Please, do follow this –	Hãy theo dõi nhé -

20:23	you yourself are doing it,	chính bạn đang làm,

20:26	you yourself are observing it,	chính bạn đang quan sát nó,

20:29	the speaker is	người nói chỉ chỉ ra.
	only pointing out.

20:39	How does it happen	Sợ hãi ẩn kín làm
		sao được mở ra,

20:42	that the hidden fears are opened,

20:48	exposed?	...bày ra?

20:51	One can know	Bạn có thể biết
	the conscious fears	sợ hữu thức...

20:58	and how to deal with them	...và làm sao xử sự
	will come presently.	lúc chúng sắp đến.

21:03	But there are	Nhưng có sợ ẩn kín,
	the hidden fears,

21:06	perhaps much more important.	có lẽ quan trọng hơn nhiều.

21:09	So how will you	Vậy làm sao xử sự với chúng,
	deal with them,

21:13	how will you	làm sao bạn phơi bày chúng?
	expose them?

21:15	Would you permit me	Cho phép tôi cởi áo khoát
	to take my coat off?	nhé? Không phiền chứ?

21:19	You don’t mind?

21:21	So we are considering,	Vậy chúng ta xem xét,

21:26	how the deep layers of fear,	làm sao những lớp sâu sợ hãi,
	hidden,	có thể được phơi bày?

21:34	can be exposed.

21:38	Can they be exposed	Có thể được phơi bày
	through analysis –	qua phân tích -

21:47	analysing them,	phân tích chúng, thấy
	seeing their causes?	nguyên nhân?

21:53	Will analysis free the mind	Phân tích sẽ quét
	from fear,	trí óc khỏi sợ,

22:03	not a particular neurotic fear	không phải sợ loạn thần kinh nào...

22:06	but the whole of fear,	...mà toàn bộ sợ, cả
	the whole structure of fear	cấu trúc sợ hãi - phân tích?

22:11	– analysis?

22:17	In analysis is implied	Phân tích hàm ý,
	not only time,	không chỉ thời gian,

22:23	taking many, many, many days,	mất nhiều, nhiều ngày,
	years, whole of one’s life,	nhiều năm, cả đời bạn,

22:28	at the end of it perhaps	cuối cùng có thể
	you may understand a little,	bạn hiểu đôi chút...

22:31	but you are ready	...nhưng bạn sẵn
	for the grave.	sàng cho nắm mồ.

22:36	And also in analysis	Và phân tích cũng
	implies the analyser.	hàm ý người phân tích.

22:44	Who is the analyser?	Ai là kẻ phân tích?
		Hắn là chuyên nghiệp,

22:48	Is he the professional,

22:52	the expert,	chuyên gia, có bằng cấp,
	who has a degree,

22:59	going to analyse	sẽ phân tích sợ hãi
	your deep, hidden fears?	sâu, ẩn của bạn?

23:07	And he will also take time,	Và hắn cũng cần thời gian,

23:14	and therefore	và vậy cũng tiền của bạn.
	also your money.

23:21	So analysis implies the analyser,	Nên phân tích hàm ý người
	who is the censor,	phân tích là kẻ kiểm duyệt,

23:33	who is the result	là kết quả của nhiều
	of many forms of conditioning.	hình thức qui định.

23:41	And he’s going to analyse	Và hắn sẽ phân tích...

23:46	the fear which he himself	nổi sợ mà chính
	has created.	hắn đã tạo ra.

23:51	Right?	Phải không?

23:53	I hope you are	Hy vọng bạn theo kịp hết,
	following all this,

23:58	because our intention is	bởi ý định chúng ta là...

24:04	that when you do leave	...khi bạn rời phòng họp
	this rather warm hall,	khá ấm cúng này,

24:10	that you no longer	...bạn không còn hình
	have any form of fear.	thức sợ hãi nào.

24:18	It can be done.	Có thể làm được.

24:24	And you will know	Và bạn sẽ biết kiểu
	quite a different kind of life,	sống hoàn toàn khác,

24:30	you’ll know	bạn sẽ biết hân hoan là gì,
	what tremendous joy is,

24:39		trí óc hoàn toàn thoát khỏi...

24:40	a mind that is completely free	...vật khủng khiếp gọi là sợ.
	of this terrible thing called fear.

24:53	And to be free of that,	Và để thoát khỏi nó, bạn...
	you have to...

24:58	We are going to walk together,	chúng ta phải cùng đi,

25:02	you are going to work as hard	bạn sẽ làm việc cật lực
	as the speaker is working.	cũng như người nói làm.

25:14	So analysis implies	Vậy phân tích ẩn
	time and analyser.	thời gian và kẻ phân tích.

25:24	Please, see the truth of this,	Hãy thấy sự thật việc này.

25:27	not your opinion as opposed	không phải quan niệm bạn
	to the speaker’s opinion	chống quan niệm người nói...

25:30	or somebody else’s	hay quan niệm hoặc
	opinion or knowledge	kiến thức ai khác -

25:33	– see the truth of it,	thấy sự thật ấy,
	that it takes time.	nó nắm thời gian.

25:45	And the interval between that	Và khoảng xen giữa cái
	which you are analysing	mà bạn phân tích...

25:51	and the ending of that,	...và chấm dứt nó, sẽ dính
		thời gian và vì vậy...

25:55	will involve time and
	therefore many other factors

25:59	which give it a different direction.	...nhiều nhân tố khác
		sẽ cho nó hướng khác.

26:02	The analyser is a fragment	Người phân tích là một
	among many other fragments	mảnh trong nhiều mảnh...

26:07	which go to make up	...nó sẽ tạo ra cái 'tôi',
	the ‘me’, the ‘I’, the ego.	'ngã', bản ngã.

26:15	So he becomes	Vậy nó thành người phân tích,
	the analyser,

26:19	assumes the authority	mang uy quyền người phân tích,
	of the analyser,

26:24	and his analysis	và phân tích phải
	must be complete each time,	trọn vẹn mỗi lần,

26:30	otherwise what is	ngược lại đâu là
	the point of analysis at all?	điểm phân tích?

26:38	So analysis,	Nên phân tích, hàm ý
	which implies time and division,	thời gian và phân chia...

26:43	is not the ending of fear.	...không chấm dứt sợ hãi.

26:49	Is this somewhat clear?	Khá rõ ràng chứ?

26:56	To see this means	Nhìn, nghĩa là bạn
		dẹp hết hoàn toàn...

26:59	that you have completely put aside

27:04	the whole idea	...mọi ý niệm thay đổi dần,
	of progressive change,

27:13	because the very	bởi chính tác nhân
	factor of change is	thay đổi là...

27:18	one of the major	...nguyên nhân chính của sợ hãi.
	causes of fear.

27:28	Are you all being mesmerised?	Bạn bị thôi miên hết à?

27:38	Because to me, to the speaker,	Bởi với tôi, với người nói,
	this is a very important thing,	đây là việc rất quan trọng,

27:42	therefore he feels	vì vậy anh ta thấy mạnh mẽ,
	very strongly,

27:46	he speaks intensely,	nói năng sôi nổi, anh ta
		không tuyên truyền -

27:48	he is not doing propaganda –

27:53	there is nothing	không có gì cho bạn dính,
	for you to join,

27:56	nothing for you to believe,	không có gì cho bạn tin;

28:04	but to observe and learn	mà quan sát và học hỏi...

28:11	and be free of this fear.	...và thoát khỏi sợ hãi.

28:15	So analysis is not the way.	Vậy phân tích không là cách.

28:20	Do you understand	Bạn hiểu nó nghĩa gì...
	what that means

28:21	when you see	...khi bạn thấy sự thật đó?
	the truth of that?

28:35	It means that you are no longer	Nghĩa là bạn không còn suy tư
	thinking in terms of the analyser,	trong vòng người phân tích,

28:47	who is going to examine,	kẻ sẽ xem xét,
	who is going to analyse,	kẻ sẽ phân tích,

28:51	who is going to judge, evaluate,	kẻ sẽ phán xét, đánh giá,

28:58	therefore your mind is free of	vì vậy trí óc bạn sẽ thoát
	a particular burden called analysis,	gánh nặng gọi là phân tích,

29:05	therefore it is capable	vì vậy nó có thể
	of looking directly.	nhìn trực tiếp.

29:18		Và...

29:29	And, if analysis is not the way	Nếu phân tích không
	and therefore false,	là cách và vì nó sai,

29:38	how are you to look	làm sao bạn nhìn sợ hãi?
	at this fear?

29:43	How are you	Làm sao bạn đem
	to bring out all the structure,	ra hết cấu trúc,

29:52	all the hidden	mọi phần ẩn kín của sợ hãi?
	parts of fear?

29:55	Through dreams?	Qua giấc mơ?

30:03	Dreams are the continuation	Giấc mơ là tiếp nối
	of waking hours, through sleep –	thời gian thức, qua ngủ -

30:10	aren’t they?	Phải không?

30:15	Are you following all this?	Bạn theo kịp hết không?

30:21	I don’t know	Không biết bạn có quan sát...
	if you have observed

30:23	that in dreams	...trong giấc mơ
	there is always action,	luôn có hành động,

30:26	doing something	...làm gì hay gì đó xảy ra,
	or something is happening,

30:31	which is the same	nó giống y lúc thức,
	in the waking hours,

30:36	a continuation of the waking hours,	tiếp nối lúc thức,

30:43	when there is sleep,	khi ngủ, qua giấc mơ -
	through dreams –

30:46	it is still part	cũng là một phần
	of the whole movement.	của cả chuyển động.

30:52		Vậy...

30:54	So dreams have no value.	...giấc mơ không giá trị.

31:01	Are you accepting all this?	Bạn chấp nhận chứ?

31:03	Great Scott, I hope,	Ái chà, hy vọng...

31:05	I’m sure you don’t	tôi chắc bạn không
	– but doesn’t matter.	- nhưng không sao.

31:13	Because you see	Bởi bạn thấy việc xảy ra,
	what is happening,

31:16	we are eliminating the things	chúng ta xóa bỏ vật
	to which you are accustomed:	mà bạn quen thuộc:

31:25	analysis, dreams, will,	phân tích, giấc mơ, ý chí,

31:33	time,	thời gian,

31:38	so that when you eliminate,	vậy khi bạn xóa bỏ,

31:41	the mind becomes	trí óc trở nên
	extraordinarily sensitive.	cực kỳ nhạy bén.

31:53	And through this elimination	Và qua xóa bỏ ấy...

31:56	it has become not only sensitive,	...nó trở nên không
		chỉ nhạy bén, mà...

32:01	but intelligent.	...thông minh.

32:07	Now with that sensitivity	Giờ với nhạy bén
	and intelligence	và thông minh ấy...

32:11	we are going to look at fear.	...chúng ta sẽ nhìn
	Right?	sợ. Phải không?

32:18	Are we going together?	Chúng ta cùng đi?

32:24	You know, this is great fun	Bạn biết việc này rất vui,
	if you really go into this,	nếu bạn thực sự tìm hiểu,

32:31	because then you turn away,	bởi rồi bạn quay đi,
	you turn your back	bạn quay lại với...

32:35	on the whole of the social structure	...cả cấu trúc xã hội
		trong đó thời gian,

32:39	in which time, analysis, will	phân tích, sẽ hoạt động.
	is in operation.

32:53	So what is fear?	Vậy sợ là gì?

33:01	What is fear,	Sợ là gì, làm sao nó đến?
	how does it come?

33:09	Fear is always	Sợ luôn liên quan với điều gì,
	in relation to something,

33:14	it doesn’t exist by itself:	nó không tự tồn tại:

33:19	in relation to something	liên quan với
	that is permanent	điều gì kéo dài...

33:24	to another thing	...với cái khác cũng kéo dài.
	that is also permanent.

33:32	Right?	Phải không?

33:38	There is fear	Có sợ việc đã xảy ra hôm qua,
	of what happened yesterday,

33:44	the repetition of that tomorrow,	nó lặp lại ngày mai,

33:49	whether it is pain	dù là đau đớn hay
	or some other form,	hình thức khác,

33:54	there is always a fixed point	luôn có điểm xác định
	from which relationship takes place.	từ đó quan hệ xảy ra.

34:11	We’ll go into that	Chúng ta sẽ tìm hiểu
	in a little while, in a minute.	nó một chút; một phút.

34:14	So as we were saying,	Vậy khi chúng ta nói,

34:16	fear exists only in relationship	sợ chỉ hiện diện trong
	with some other thing,	quan hệ với việc gì khác,

34:23	otherwise there is no fear	ngược lại không có sợ...

34:31	related to the past	...liên quan với quá khứ -

34:34	– the memory of the past pain	ký ức về đau đớn cũ
	and not wanting that,	và không muốn nó,

34:42	the repetition of that pain	lặp lại đau đớn ấy
	tomorrow or today –	hôm nay hay ngày mai -

34:52	relation to something	liên quan đến điều đã xảy ra.
	that has happened.

35:00	And what is fear?	Và sợ là gì?

35:03	You have had pain	Bạn đau đớn hôm qua,
	yesterday,

35:09	that is obvious,	hiển nhiên, bạn đã đau.
	you have had it.

35:13	Or there is some hope tomorrow	Hay có vài hy vọng ngày mai
	which might not come about.	mà có thể không xảy ra.

35:21	So there is fear	Vậy có sợ của hôm qua,
	of yesterday,

35:26	there is fear	có sợ của ngày mai.
	of tomorrow.

35:29	How does that fear	Làm sao sợ ấy xảy ra?
	come about?

35:37	You are asking the question,	Bạn hỏi, không phải tôi.
	not I.

35:42	So you are	Vậy bạn làm việc cật lực.
	working hard.

35:50	I’ve had pain yesterday,	Tôi đã đau hôm qua,
	obviously,	hiển nhiên,

35:56		và có ký ức về nó,

35:59	and there is	và...
	the memory of it,

36:07	and not wanting it	...không muốn mai nó trở lại.
	again tomorrow.

36:11	How does fear	Làm sao sợ vào đó?
	come into this?

36:17	Thinking about the pain	Suy nghĩ về đau đớn
	of yesterday, thinking,	hôm qua, suy nghĩ,

36:27	the memory of yesterday’s pain	ký ức về đau hôm qua

36:34	projects the fear	phóng ra sợ ngày mai,
	of tomorrow,

36:37	of having pain	về ngày mai đau nữa.
	again tomorrow.

36:39	So thought brings about fear.	Vậy ý nghĩ sinh ra
	Right?	sợ. Phải không?

36:46	No? You’re following this?	Không à? Theo kịp chứ?

36:57	Thought brings about fear,	Ý nghĩ sinh ra sợ, sinh sợ hãi,
	breeds fear,

37:01	and also thought	và cũng ý nghĩ
	cultivates pleasure.	trau dồi thú vui.

37:07	To understand fear	Để hiểu sợ hãi bạn cũng
	you must also understand pleasure,	phải hiểu thú vui,

37:14	because they are interrelated,	bởi chúng liên quan nhau,

37:17	without understanding one,	không hiểu này, bạn
	you can’t understand the other,	không thể hiểu kia,

37:21	which is, you can’t say,	...tức là, bạn không thể nói...

37:22	‘I must have only pleasure	'Tôi phải chỉ có thú vui
	and no fear’,	và không sợ hãi',

37:28	because fear is	bởi sợ hãi là mặt kia của
	the other side of the coin	đồng xu gọi là thú vui.

37:34	which is called pleasure.

37:41	Right?	Phải không?
	We are following each other?	Theo kịp nhau chứ?

37:48	So there was pleasure yesterday,	Vậy có thú vui hôm qua,

37:51	sexual or different	tình dục hay loại
	kinds of pleasures,	thú vui nào khác,

37:55	you think about it, the image,	bạn nghĩ về nó, hình ảnh,
		nhai lại thú vui,

38:00	chew the cud of pleasure,

38:05	which is thinking about it.	tức là nghĩ về nó.

38:12	And you may not have it tomorrow.	Và mai có thể bạn không có nó.

38:17	So thought	Vậy ý nghĩ...

38:21	engenders fear.	...sinh ra sợ hãi.

38:27	I think that’s fairly clear,	Tôi nghĩ vậy là
	isn’t it?	khá rõ, phải không?

38:33	So thought not only	Nên ý nghĩ không
	sustains pleasure,	chỉ duy trì thú vui,

38:41	it also nourishes fear,	mà còn nuôi dưỡng sợ hãi,

38:50	and thought has separated itself	và ý nghĩ tự chia ra
	as the analyser,	như người phân tích,

38:58	the thing to be analysed	vật bị phân tích cũng
	is also part of thought.	là thành phần của ý nghĩ.

39:06	So it is playing tricks	Vậy nó tự chơi đùa với nó.
	upon itself.

39:16	So then the question is:	Nên rồi vấn đề là:

39:23	if thought is doing all this,	nếu ý nghĩ làm mọi cái này,

39:30	thought that refuses to examine	ý nghĩ từ chối
	the hidden unconscious fears,	xem xét sợ hãi...

39:36		...ẩn kín vô thức,

39:41	the thought that has	ý nghĩ đặt ra
	set the analyser	người phân tích...

39:44	separate from the thing	...tách rời với
	to be analysed,	vật bị phân tích,

39:49	thought that has	ý nghĩ đem vào thời gian...
	brought in time

39:59	as a means of escaping fear,	...như phương tiện chạy
	but sustaining fear,	trốn sợ, nhưng duy trì sợ,

40:09	and thought also	và ý nghĩ cũng
	nourishing pleasure,	nuôi dưỡng thú vui,

40:16	which has nothing	nó không liên quan
	whatsoever to do with joy,	gì với niềm vui,

40:23	because joy is not	bởi niềm vui không
	the product of thought,	phải sản phẩm của ý nghĩ,

40:34	it is not pleasure.	nó không phải thú vui.

40:38	You can cultivate pleasure,	Bạn có thể trau dồi thú vui,

40:41	you can think about it	bạn có thể nghĩ về nó mãi...
	endlessly

40:47	and derive great pleasure,	...và rút ra thú vui lớn,

40:50	but you can’t do that with joy.	nhưng bạn không thể
		làm thế với niềm vui.

40:54	The moment you do that,	Lúc bạn làm thế, nó đi mất.
	it has gone.

40:57	It has become something	Nó trở thành điều gì
	from which you derive pleasure	từ đó bạn rút ra thú vui...

41:00	and therefore	...và vì vậy bạn sợ mất nó.
	which you are afraid to lose.

41:07	So thought is responsible	Vậy ý nghĩ trách nhiệm cả
		thú vui, nổi đau, sợ hãi.

41:14	for both pleasure, pain, fear.

41:24	And also thought is afraid	Và ý nghĩ cũng sợ
	of being completely lonely.	cô đơn hoàn toàn.

41:35	Thought has already	Ý nghĩ đã lên án nó,
	condemned it,

41:42	and so thought invents a way	và vậy ý nghĩ tạo ra cách
	of escaping from that loneliness	chạy trốn nổi cô đơn ấy...

41:47	through various forms	...qua nhiều hình thức
	of religious entertainment	giải trí tôn giáo...

41:52	or cultural something or other,	...hay văn hóa này nọ,

42:00	the everlasting search	tìm kiếm triền miên...

42:06	for deeper and wider dependencies.	...lệ thuộc sâu và rộng hơn.

42:10	So thought is responsible.	Vậy ý nghĩ trách nhiệm.

42:15	Then what is one to do?	Rồi bạn phải làm gì?

42:19	You understand all this,	Bạn hiểu hết, mong vậy.
	I hope.

42:23	What is one to do	Bạn phải làm gì khi
	when one realises that thought,	nhận ra rằng ý nghĩ,

42:33	which is the response	là đáp ứng của ký ức...
	of memory

42:37	to any challenge,	...với thách thức, lớn hay nhỏ,
	minor or major,

42:46	which sustains	nó duy trì cả
	both pleasure and fear,	thú vui lẫn sợ hãi,

42:52	these are all facts,	thảy là sự kiện, không
	not the speaker’s invention,	phải người nói đặt ra,

42:59	or his peculiar philosophy	hay triết lý hoặc
	or theory,	lý thuyết riêng,

43:04	these are absolute	là sự kiện thực hàng
	daily observable facts.	ngày quan sát được.

43:13	Then the next question is,	Rồi câu hỏi kế là,
	what is one to do?	bạn phải làm gì?

43:19	There is thought,	Có ý nghĩ...

43:23	you can’t kill it,	...bạn không thể diệt nó,

43:29	you can’t destroy it,	không thể phá huỷ nó,

43:34	you can’t say,	không thể nói,
	‘well, I’ll forget it’,	'À, tôi sẽ quên nó',

43:40	you can’t resist it –	không thể chống nó -

43:44	if you do,	nếu bạn làm, nó là
	that’s another form of thought.	hình thức ý nghĩ khác.

44:05	Thought is the response	Ý nghĩ là đáp ứng của ký ức.
	of memory.

44:10	And you need that memory	Và bạn cần ký ức để
	to function daily,	hoạt động hàng ngày,

44:16	to go to your office,	để đến văn phòng,
	to go to your home,	để về nhà,

44:19	to be able to talk –	để có thể nói chuyện -

44:25	that memory is the storehouse	ký ức ấy là kho chứa
	of your technological knowledge.	của kiến thức kỹ thuật.

44:34	So you need memory,	Vậy bạn cần ký ức, hoàn toàn.
	completely.

44:40	And also you see	Và bạn cũng thấy
	how memory sustains fear	làm sao ký ức duy trì...

44:50	through thought,	...sợ hãi qua ý nghĩ,
		có thú vui hôm qua,

44:53	having had pleasure yesterday,

44:56	seeing the beauty	thấy vẻ đẹp của
	of that lovely sunset,	hoàng hôn đáng yêu,

45:03	and you want that again repeated,	và bạn cũng muốn nó
	that same experience,	lặp lại, cùng kinh nghiệm ấy,

45:08	either through drug	cả qua ma tuý hay qua...

45:11	or through going
	to that particular spot

45:14	to look at that exquisite light.	...đến điểm riêng nào
		nhìn ánh sáng tuyệt diệu ấy.

45:18	And when it doesn’t happen	Và khi nó không
	there is pain,	xảy ra có nổi đau,

45:21	disappointment,	bất mãn, thất vọng.
	frustration.

45:24	So thought.	Vậy ý nghĩ...

45:29	You need memory	Bạn cần ký ức với
		mọi thuần khiết...

45:30	with all the purity and clarity	...và trong sáng của ý nghĩ
	of thought in one direction,	trong một hướng,

45:42	technologically,	kỹ thuật, để hoạt
	to function daily,	động hàng ngày,

45:50	to earn a livelihood,	để kiếm sống, và v.v..
	and so on.

45:53	And also you see	Và bạn cũng thấy
	there is the fact	có sự kiện...

46:01	that thought also	...ý nghĩ cũng sinh ra sợ hãi.
	breeds fear.

46:09	So what is one to do?	Vậy bạn phải làm gì?

46:16	What is the mind to do?	Trí óc phải làm gì?

46:20	You’ve understood the question?	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi không?

46:23	Is it clear?	Rõ chứ?

46:26	You’re putting the question	Bạn đặt câu hỏi cho chính bạn,
	to yourself,

46:28	I’m not putting	tôi không đặt câu hỏi cho bạn.
	the question to you.

46:36	If you are accepting my question,	Nếu bạn chấp nhận câu hỏi,
	the speaker’s question,	câu hỏi của người nói,

46:40	then it’s not your question.	thì nó không phải của bạn.

46:45	If it is your question,	Nếu nó của bạn,

46:50	which it must be,	mà nó phải vậy,

46:52	after this examination;	sau khi xem xét,

46:57	if it is not, you are asleep.	nếu không phải, bạn buồn ngủ.

47:00	If it is your own,	Nếu của bạn, thì
	then how will you answer it?	bạn làm sao trả lời?

47:09	How will you answer	Làm sao bạn trả lời câu hỏi,
	this question,

47:12	after having	sau khi trải qua...
	gone through

47:17	the various facts	nhiều sự kiện
	of analysis, of time,	phân tích, thời gian,

47:25	of escape,	chạy trốn, lệ thuộc,
	of dependency,

47:36	seeing that a movement	thấy rằng rời khỏi
	away from ‘what is’ is fear,	'hiện là' là sợ hãi,

47:45	the movement itself	chính rời khỏi là sợ hãi.
	is fear.

47:50	After observing all that,	Sau khi quan sát mọi cái,

47:54	seeing the truth of all that,	thấy hết sự thật,
		không phải quan niệm,

47:57	not opinion,

47:59	not your casual	không phán đoán tình cờ,
	judgement,

48:08	what is your answer	bạn trả lời gì cho vấn đề...
	to this question

48:16	that thought must function	...rằng ý nghĩ phải
	most efficiently,	hoạt động hữu hiệu,

48:23	sanely,	...tỉnh táo,

48:27	and yet that very thought	và chính ý nghĩ ấy
	becomes a danger,	thành nguy hiểm...

48:33	because it breeds fear.	...bởi nó sinh ra sợ hãi.

48:40	Now before you answer	Giờ trước khi trả lời câu hỏi,
	that question,

48:43	what is the state of the mind	trạng thái trí óc gì...

48:47	that has gone	trải qua mọi cái đó?
	through all this?

48:54	You understand what I mean?	Bạn hiểu ý tôi không?

48:55	What is the state	Trạng thái thấu
	of the understanding of your mind,	hiểu gì của trí óc,

49:02	the mind that has examined	trí óc đã xem xét...

49:05	all these various forms	...mọi hình thức đã
	which have been exposed,	được phơi bày,

49:10	which has been	được giải thích hay quan sát,
	explained or observed,

49:14	what is the quality	đặc tính trí óc gì,
	of your mind now,

49:19	because on that quality	bởi với đặc tính
	you’re going to answer.	ấy bạn sẽ trả lời.

49:31	If you have not taken the journey,	Nếu bạn chưa làm
		cuộc hành trình...

49:35	you have no answer;	...bạn không trả lời;

49:39	but if you have actually taken	nhưng nếu bạn thực sự
	the journey, step by step,	hành trình, từng bước...

49:43	and gone into everything	...và tìm hiểu mọi điều
	that we have discussed,	chúng ta thảo luận,

49:50	then your mind, you will see,	thì trí óc bạn, bạn sẽ thấy,

49:52	has become extraordinarily	trở nên cực kỳ thông minh,
	intelligent, live, sensitive,	sống động, nhạy bén,

49:57	because it has thrown off	bởi nó ném hết mọi
	all the burdens	gánh nặng đã tích chứa.

50:01	that it has accumulated.

50:10	Then the question is,	Rồi vấn đề là,

50:19	how do you observe this	làm sao quan sát cả
	whole process of thinking?	tiến trình suy nghĩ này?

50:31	Is there a centre	Có trung tâm từ đó
	from which you think?	bạn suy nghĩ?

50:36	Do follow all this,	Hãy theo dõi hết nhé.
	please.

50:44	The centre being the censor,	Trung tâm là kẻ kiểm duyệt,
	the one who judges,	người phán đoán,

50:49	evaluates, condemns,	đánh giá, lên án, biện minh -
	justifies –

50:55	do you still think	bạn vẫn suy nghĩ
	from that centre?	từ trung tâm ấy?

51:02		Hay...

51:07	Or there is no centre	...không có trung tâm
	from which to think at all,	từ đó để suy nghĩ,

51:11	but you think.	bạn chỉ nghĩ. Phải không?
	Right?

51:15	You see the difference?	Bạn thấy khác nhau?

51:19	Is this getting all too much?	Hiểu hết chứ?

51:24	– do tell me, please.	- nói tôi nghe.

51:28	No?	Không à?

51:32	I’m surprised –	Tôi ngạc nhiên -

51:37	you’re merely listening,	bạn chỉ nghe, tôi e vậy.
	I’m afraid.

51:42	Look, sirs,	Nhìn đi,

51:45	thought has created	ý nghĩ tạo ra trung
	a centre as the ‘me’ –	tâm như cái 'tôi' -

51:55	me, my opinions,	tôi, quan niệm tôi,
	my country, my God,	xứ tôi, Thượng đế tôi,

51:59	my experience,	kinh nghiệm tôi,
	my house, my furniture,	nhà tôi, bàn ghế tôi,

52:02	my wife, my children, my country	vợ tôi, con tôi, xứ tôi,
	– you know, me, me, me.	bạn biết, tôi, tôi, tôi.

52:08	That is the centre	Đó là trung tâm từ đó
	from which you act, think.	bạn hành động, suy nghĩ.

52:16	That centre divides,	Trung tâm ấy phân chia,

52:22	and because of that centre	và bởi trung tâm
	and that division,	ấy và phân chia ấy,

52:26	there must be conflict,	hiển nhiên phải có xung đột.
	obviously.

52:30	When it is your opinion	Khi quan niệm bạn chống
	against somebody else’s opinion,	quan niệm ai khác,

52:34	my country, your country,	xứ tôi, xứ bạn và
	and all that – division.	mọi thứ - phân chia.

52:39	Which means	Tức là, trung tâm luôn phân chia.
	the centre is always dividing.

52:45	And if you think	Và nếu bạn nghĩ
	from that centre	từ trung tâm ấy...

52:49	and observe from that centre	...và quan sát sợ từ
	fear,	trung tâm ấy,

52:56	you’re still caught in fear,	bạn vẫn kẹt trong sợ hãi,

53:02	because that centre	bởi trung tâm ấy phân chia nó...
	has separated itself

53:06	from the thing	...với vật gọi là sợ,
	it has called fear,

53:10	and therefore it says,	và vậy nó nói,
	‘I must get rid of it,	'tôi phải thoát nó,

53:13	I must analyse it,	tôi phải phân tích, phải
		vượt qua nó, chống nó', v.v..

53:14	I must overcome it, resist it’,
	and so on.

53:19	So you are	Vậy bạn tăng thêm sợ hãi.
	strengthening fear.

53:26	So can you look,	Nên bạn có thể nhìn,
	can the mind look at fear	trí óc có thể nhìn,

53:35	– which we will go into	- chúng ta sẽ tìm hiểu thêm
	a little bit more –	chút - mà không trung tâm?

53:37	without the centre?

53:39	Can you look at that fear	Bạn có thể nhìn sợ hãi
	without naming it,	mà không đặt tên,

53:44	because the moment you say ‘fear’	bởi khi bạn nói - sợ
	it is already in the past,	- nó đã là quá khứ,

53:52	because you have named it.	bởi bạn đã đặt tên nó.

53:56	You are following all this?	Bạn theo kịp không?

54:02	The moment you name something,	Lúc đặt tên điều gì,
	don’t you divide it?	bạn không chia nó ra ư?

54:09	The white and the black,	Trắng và đen,

54:10	and the brown, and the Communist	và nâu và Cộng sản
	– don’t you?	- phải không?

54:20	And so that very division	Và chính phân chia
	is a form of resistance,	là hình thức chống đối,

54:29	conflict and fear.	xung đột và sợ hãi.

54:33	So the question is:	Vậy vấn đề là: quan sát...

54:35	to observe	...mà không trung tâm,
	without that centre,

54:42	and not to name the thing	và không đặt tên cái gọi
	called fear as it arises.	là sợ khi nó khởi lên.

54:48	All this requires	Mọi cái đó đòi hỏi
	tremendous discipline.	kỷ luật lớn lao.

54:58	You know, the word ‘discipline’	Bạn biết, chữ kỷ luật
	means to learn,	nghĩa là học hỏi,

55:05	to learn from somebody –	học hỏi từ ai đó -

55:13	you’re not learning	bạn không học từ người nói,
	from the speaker,

55:15	you’re learning	bạn học chính bạn.
	from yourself.

55:18	And to observe all this	Và quan sát mọi
	very closely, with care,	cái đó thật gần, quan tâm,

55:29	which means	nghĩa là với yêu
	with affection and attention,	mến và chú tâm,

55:35	then the mind is looking	rồi trí óc nhìn mà không
	without the division as the centre,	phân chia như trung tâm,

55:41	to which it has	cái mà nó đã quen thuộc.
	been accustomed.

55:46	Therefore there is	Vì vậy chấm dứt sợ hãi,
	the ending of fear,

55:50	both the hidden	cả ẩn kín và hiển lộ.
	and the open.

55:57	If you haven’t done it	Nếu bạn chưa làm chiều nay,
	this evening,

56:00	don’t take it home	đừng đem về nhà
	and think about it.	và nghĩ về nó.

56:08	Truth is something	Chân lý là điều bạn
	that you must see immediately.	phải thấy tức thì.

56:18	And to see something	Và để thấy điều gì
	clearly and immediately,	rõ ràng và tức thì,

56:22	you must give your heart,	bạn phải đem hết
	and your mind,	tâm hồn trí óc...

56:24	and your whole being.	...và cả con người bạn.