Krishnamurti_VI

Krishnamurti Subtitles

Hiện tại là cả thời gian

Washington DC - 20 April 1985

Public Talk 1

0:12		(Vỗ tay)

0:28	I really don’t know	Thật không hiểu
	why you’re clapping.	sao các bạn vỗ tay.

0:35	Have you ever tried	Bạn có thử vỗ với
	clapping with one hand?	một bàn tay chưa?

0:39	Please do that now, from today.	Làm ngay hôm nay đi.

1:02	This is not a lecture	Đây không phải diễn
	on any particular subject	thuyết về chủ đề riêng...

1:11	according to certain disciplines,	...theo kỷ luật, khoa
	scientific or philosophical.	học hay triết học nào.

1:19	Lectures are meant to inform	Diễn thuyết là thông tin về
	on a particular subject or instruct.	chủ đề riêng hay hướng dẫn.

1:34	But we are not going to do that.	Nhưng chúng ta
		sẽ không làm thế.

1:37	This is not a lecture.	Đây không phải diễn thuyết.

1:41	Nor is it a form of entertainment.	Cũng không phải
		hình thức giải trí.

1:49	Especially in this country,	Đặc biệt ở xứ này, nơi chúng
		ta quá quen thuộc với giải trí...

1:51	where one is greatly accustomed
	to being entertained;

1:57	amused; awaken one’s sensations.	chơi đùa; đánh
		thức cảm giác.

2:05	Rather in these talks,	Những buổi nói chuyện
	today and tomorrow morning,	này, hôm nay và sáng mai...

2:15	we are going to talk over	...chúng ta sẽ cùng nhau
	together in conversation	bàn bạc, thảo luận...

2:23	about the whole of our existence	...về toàn thể
		cuộc sống chúng ta...

2:27	from the moment we are born	...từ khi sinh ra
	until we die.	cho đến lúc chết.

2:34	In that period of time, whether it be	Trong khoảng thời gian ấy, dù
	50 years or 90 years or 100 years,	là 50 năm, 90 năm hay 100 năm...

2:44	we go through all kinds	...chúng ta trải qua đủ
	of problems and difficulties.	loại vấn đề và khó khăn.

2:54	We have problems,	Chúng ta có vấn đề kinh
	economic, social, religious;	tế, xã hội, tôn giáo;

3:01	problems of personal relationship,	vấn đề về quan hệ cá nhân,
	problems of individual fulfilment;	vấn đề thỏa mãn riêng tư;

3:11	wanting to find one’s roots	muốn tìm gốc rễ mình
	in some place or other.	nơi này hay nơi khác.

3:19	And we have innumerable psychological	Và chúng ta có vô số vết thương
	wounds, fears, pleasures, sensations.	tâm lý, sợ, vui, cảm giác...

3:35	And also there is a great deal	Và cũng có biết bao sợ
	of fear in all human beings;	hãi trong mỗi con người;

3:44	great deal of anxiety, uncertainty,	biết bao lo âu, bất định,
	and a pursuit of pleasure.	và theo đuổi thú vui.

3:56	And also all human beings	Và cả loài người trên
	on this beautiful earth	trái đất xinh đẹp này...

4:03	suffer a great deal	...chịu biết bao
	of pain, loneliness.	là đau khổ, cô đơn.

4:09	We are going to talk	Chúng ta sẽ cùng
	about all that together.	nói về mọi cái đó.

4:14	And what place has religion	Tôn giáo có ví trí gì
	in modern life?	trong đời sống hiện đại?

4:24	And also we are going to talk over	Và chúng ta cũng sẽ cùng
	together the question of death;	bàn luận vấn đề cái chết;

4:30	what is a religious mind;	đạo tâm là gì; và
	and what is meditation;	thiền định là gì;

4:40	and if there is anything	...và có chăng điều gì
	that is beyond all thought,	vượt trên mọi ý nghĩ...

4:49	there is anything sacred in life,	...có điều chi thánh
		thiện trên đời...

4:53	or everything is a matter	...hay tất cả là vật chất nên
		chúng ta lê lết một đời duy vật.

4:56	and therefore we lead
	a materialistic life.

5:01	We are going to talk over	Chúng ta sẽ cùng bàn
	together all these problems	luận mọi vấn đề này...

5:05	this afternoon	...buổi chiều
	and tomorrow morning.	nay và sáng mai.

5:14	So, as we said,	Như đã nói, đây
	this is not a lecture.	không là diễn thuyết.

5:19	This is a conversation	Là buổi thảo luận
	between you and the speaker.	giữa bạn và người nói.

5:27	A conversation in which there is	Buổi nói chuyện không hàm
	no implication of conversion,	ý cải đạo, tuyên truyền...

5:33	doing propaganda	...hay giới thiệu lý thuyết mới,
	or introducing new theories,	ý niệm hay điều vô lý lạ đời.

5:42	ideas and exotic nonsense.

5:53	We are going to, if you will kindly,	Chúng ta sẽ, nếu bạn vui
	talk over together our problems	lòng cùng bàn luận vấn đề...

6:00	as two friends,	...như hai người bạn, dù
		không biết nhau, chúng ta sẽ...

6:04	though we don’t know each other,
	we are going to talk,

6:09	discuss, have a conversation.

6:15	Which is much more important	...thảo luận, nói chuyện.

6:18	than being lectured at	Điều đó quan trọng hơn là nghe
	or being told what to do,	diễn thuyết hay được bảo làm gì

6:23	what to believe,	...tin tưởng gì, hay theo
	or have certain faith, and so on.	tín ngưỡng nào, v.v..

6:31	On the contrary, we are going to	Ngược lại, chúng ta sẽ quan
	observe dispassionately, impersonally,	sát một cách thản nhiên, vô tư...

6:44	not anchored to any particular	...không bám vào vấn đề
	problem or theory,	hay lý thuyết riêng nào...

6:54	but we are going to look together	...nhưng chúng ta sẽ cùng nhìn
	what mankind has done to the world	xem loài người đã làm gì cho đời

7:06	and what we have done to each other.	...và chúng ta đã
		làm gì cho nhau.

7:13	So this is not an entertainment,	Nên đây không phải giải trí, hay
	a romantic, sentimental journey.	hành trình lãng mạn, tình cảm.

7:25	Not only is it	Không chỉ quan trọng về trí
	intellectually important,	óc, nó là một phần chúng ta...

7:33	which is part of our being,

7:36	but also we must look	...nhưng chúng ta phải nhìn
	at all these problems,	xem những vấn đề này...

7:42	the thousand issues that mankind has,	...hàng ngàn vấn đề của con
	not from any point of view,	người, không từ quan điểm nào...

7:54	not from the particular	...không từ niềm tin
	belief or faith,	hay tín ngưỡng nào...

8:00	but rather explore together,	...mà cùng nhau
	investigate together.	thám hiểm, tìm kiếm.

8:11	The speaker is not trying	Người nói không cố gắng
	to do any kind of propaganda	tuyên truyền gì cả...

8:17	that would be too terrible.	...điều đó kinh khủng lắm.

8:20	Or to convert any person	Hay cải đổi ai
	to a particular ideation.	sang lý tưởng riêng.

8:31	Or to a particular belief.	Hay sang niềm tin riêng.

8:37	So we are going to take a very long,	Nên chúng ta sẽ cùng đi cuộc
	complex journey together.	hình trình dài, phức tạp.

8:47	So, it’s your responsibility,	Đó là trách nhiệm bạn, cũng
		như người nói, chúng ta cùng đi...

8:51	as well as that of the speaker,
	that we walk together,

8:58	investigate together;	...cùng tìm tòi; nhìn xem
	look at the world we have created.	thế giới chúng ta đã tạo ra.

9:12	The society in which we live	Xã hội chúng ta sống
	is put together by man	do con người bày ra...

9:18	whether it be economic, social,	...dù là kinh tế, xã hội,
	the rich and the poor, and so on.	kẻ giàu người nghèo, và v.v..

9:26	The society in which we live.	Xã hội chúng ta sống.

9:31	Each one of us contributed to it.	Mỗi chúng ta
		góp phần vào đó.

9:36	And if you are willing,	Và nếu bạn vui lòng, và
	and apparently you must be willing	có vẻ bạn phải vui lòng...

9:44	because you are here and I am here,	...bởi vì bạn và tôi ở đây, làm
		cuộc hành trình dài, phức tạp

9:48	to take this long complex journey

9:53	because life is very complex.	...vì cuộc sống
		quá phức tạp.

9:57	And we like to look at complexity	Và chúng ta thích nhìn cái
	and get more and more complex.	phức tạp và càng phức tạp thêm.

10:06	But we never look at anything simply.	Nhưng chúng ta không
		hề nhìn cái đơn giản.

10:11	With our brains, with our heart,	Với trí óc, tâm hồn,
	with our whole being.	với cả con người chúng ta.

10:19	So let us take the journey together.	Vậy chúng ta
		hãy cùng bước đi.

10:29	The speaker may be voicing,	Người nói có thể nói lên,
	putting into words what is happening:	diễn thành lời điều xảy ra:

10:40	objectively, clearly,	...khách quan, sáng
	and totally dispassionately.	sủa, và hoàn toàn vô tư.

10:52	Mankind has lived on this earth	Có lẽ con người đã sống trên
	perhaps for a million or 50,000 years.	trái đất 1 triệu hay 50.000 năm.

11:06	We have lived on this earth	Chúng ta đã sống trên trái
	for many, many millennia.	đất nhiều thiên niên kỷ.

11:12	And during those periods of long time	Và suốt thời gian dài ấy con
	mankind has suffered pleasure,	người đã chịu đựng vui thú...

11:22	loneliness, despair,	...cô đơn, nản lòng, bất định,
	uncertainty, confusion,	rối loạn, nhiều chọn lựa...

11:30	multiple choices
	therefore multiple complexities;

11:40	and there have been wars.	...nên nhiều phức tạp;
		và có chiến tranh.

11:46	Not only physical bloody wars	Không chỉ chiến tranh đổ máu
	but also psychological wars.	mà cả chiến tranh tâm lý.

11:56	And mankind has asked	Và con người hỏi có chăng
	if there can be peace on earth	hòa bình trên trái đất...

12:03	– pacem in terris –	...pacem in terris
	the Latin of peace on earth.	- từ Latin: hòa bình trên trái đất.

12:13	And apparently this	Và có vẻ như không thể nào.
	has not been possible.

12:22	There are about 40 wars	Khoảng 40 cuộc chiến
	going on at the present time.	hiện đang xảy ra.

12:30	Both ideological, theoretical,	Cả về ý thức hệ, lý
	economic, social.	thuyết, kinh tế, xã hội.

12:43	And during the historical times,	Và suốt thời gian lịch sử,
	perhaps about 5,000 to 6,000 years,	có lẽ 5 đến 6 ngàn năm...

12:50	there have been wars	...hầu như có
	practically every year.	chiến tranh mỗi năm.

12:58	And also we are preparing	Và chúng ta cũng đang
	for wars now.	chuẩn bị chiến tranh.

13:04	One ideology, that of the Communists,	Một ý thức hệ,
		của cộng sản...

13:07	the tyrannical,	...độc tài, thế giới
	the brutal world of Russia,	tàn bạo Liên xô...

13:14	and the democratic, so-called	...và cộng hoà, cái gọi
	democratic world of the West.	là cộng hoà của phương Tây.

13:19	Two ideologies at war.	Hai ý thức hệ đánh nhau.

13:24	What kind of implements	Chúng ta nên dùng
	we should use,	phương tiện gì...

13:27	control of armament	...kiểm soát vũ trang
	and all the rest of it.	và mọi cái khác.

13:32	War seems to be the common	Chiến tranh có vẻ là
	lot of mankind.	số phận chung nhân loại.

13:42	And also one observes all over	Và chúng ta cũng xem cả thế
	the world piling up of armaments;	giới chồng chất vũ trang.

13:54	the tiny little nation or tribe	...một nước hay
		bộ lạc nhỏ xíu...

13:59	to the highly sophisticated	...đến xã hội giàu có
	affluent society like yours.	văn minh cao như các bạn.

14:09	And how can we have peace on earth?	Và làm sao có thể
		hòa bình trên thế gian?

14:14	Is that at all possible?	Có thể được chứ?

14:19	And also we have said, there is	Và như đã nói, không bình an
	no peace on earth, only in heaven.	dưới thế, chỉ có trên thiên đàng.

14:29	And all this is repeated	Điều ấy được nói nhiều cách,
	different ways,	cả ở Á Đông, Ấn độ, và ở đây.

14:32	both in East, in India, and here.

14:37	Christians have killed more	Người Cơ đốc giết chóc nhiều
	than anybody else on earth.	hơn ai khác trên mặt đất.

14:46	So we are observing, not taking	Vậy chúng ta xem xét, không thiên
	sides, these are facts, actualities.	vị, đó là thực tế, hiện thực.

15:00	And there are these religions:	Và những tôn giáo: Cơ đốc giáo,
		Hồi giáo, Trào lưu chính thống.

15:07	Christianity, Islamic world,
	the Fundamentalists.

15:20	And Hinduism and Buddhism.	Và Ấn độ giáo, Phật giáo.

15:26	And the various sects	Và những giáo phái khác
	within organized Christianity	nhau của tổ chức Cơ đốc...

15:37	and also in India and Asia;	...và cả ở Ấn độ và Á
	they believe in the Buddha;	châu; họ tin Đức Phật...

15:47	in Buddhism there is no god;	...Phật giáo không có thượng
		đế; ai đó thống kê Ấn giáo...

15:53	in Hinduism somebody calculated	...có khoảng
	there are about 300,000 gods.	300.000 thần thánh.

16:02	That’s rather fun, you can choose	Khá tức cười, bạn có thể
	whichever god you like.	chọn thần nào bạn thích.

16:10	And in Christianity and Islam	Cơ đốc và Hồi giáo
	there is only one god	chỉ có một thần...

16:15	based on two books,	...dựa trên hai quyển
	the Bible and the Koran.	sách, Kinh thánh và Cô ran.

16:22	So religions have divided man.	Vậy tôn giáo phân
		chia con người.

16:27	As nationalism, which is a form of	Như quốc gia, là hình thức đề
	glorified tribalism, has divided man.	cao bộ lạc, phân chia con người.

16:40	Nationalism, patriotism,	Quốc gia, yêu nước, nhiệt thành
	religious ardour,	tôn giáo, trào lưu chính thống...

16:47	the fundamentalists both in India,
	here and in Europe,

16:54	going back, reviving their religion.	...cả ở Ấn độ và châu Âu, trở
		lại, làm sống lại tôn giáo họ.

17:03	I wonder if you have ever	Tôi tự hỏi bạn có xem
	looked at the word ‘reviving’.	từ 'làm sống lại' chưa.

17:08	You can only revive something	Bạn chỉ có thể hồi sinh
	that’s dead or dying.	cái đã chết hay đang chết.

17:14	Nothing living,	Không phải cái sống, bạn
	you can’t revive a living thing.	không thể hồi sinh cái sống.

17:20	And in this country	Và ở xứ này họ
	they are reviving religion.	hồi sinh tôn giáo.

17:28	Also they are doing the same thing	Và họ cũng làm thế ở
	in different parts of the world.	những nơi khác trên thế giới.

17:33	And there is division between	Và có phân chia giữa các quốc
	nationalities, religion, economic.	gia, tôn giáo, kinh tế, v.v..

17:47	And man has always been in conflict	Và con người luôn xung đột...

17:55	as everyone in this world	...mọi người trên thế giới
	goes through all kinds of misery,	trải qua đủ thứ đớn đau...

18:05	all kinds of sorrow:	...đủ thứ khổ sở: đau
	pain, desperate loneliness.	khổ, cô đơn tuyệt vọng.

18:19	And we long to escape from all this.	Và chúng ta muốn
		trốn chạy mọi cái đó.

18:25	But we are going to look together,	Nhưng chúng ta sẽ cùng nhìn,
	observe this extraordinary phenomena:	quan sát hiện tượng lạ lùng này:

18:36	what man has made,	...những điều con người đã
	after these thousands of years	làm suốt mấy ngàn năm...

18:45	he still remains a barbarian: cruel,	...hắn vẫn còn dã man: bạo tàn,
	vulgar, full of anxiety and hatred.	thô tục, đầy lo âu và thù hận.

18:56	And violence is increasing	Và bạo lực gia
	in the world.	tăng khắp thế giới.

19:04	And so one asks,	Vậy chúng ta hỏi, có thể
	can there be peace on this earth?	hòa bình trên mặt đất?

19:12	Because without peace,	Bởi vì không có hòa bình trong
	inwardly, psychologically first,	tâm, trí óc không thể nở hoa.

19:19	the brain cannot flower.

19:22	Human beings cannot live	Con người không thể
	completely holistically.	sống toàn diện.

19:33	So why are we,	Vậy tại sao chúng ta, sau cuộc tiến
	after this long evolution	hóa dài - suốt thời kỳ ấy

19:44	– during that period we have gathered
	immense experience, knowledge,

19:54	great deal of information –	...chúng ta tích luỹ vô số kinh
		nghiệm, kiến thức, thông tin...

19:59	why are we as human beings	...tại sao chúng ta, con
	perpetually in conflict?	người, xung đột bất tận?

20:06	That’s the real question.	Đó mới thật là vấn đề.

20:09	Because when there is no conflict	Bởi vì khi không có xung
	there is naturally peace.	đột tự nhiên có hòa bình.

20:17	And man – that includes the woman,	Và các bạn - gồm cả các chị,
	please, when I use the word ‘man’	khi tôi dùng từ 'các bạn'...

20:24	I am not shutting out the woman.	...tôi không loại
		trừ phụ nữ.

20:28	Don’t get excited about it.	Hãy bình tĩnh nhé. (Cười)

20:34	Nor, if one may point out,	Xin được nói, cũng đừng
	don’t get angry, irritated	nổi giận, tức tối...

20:44	with what we are	...với những gì chúng
	investigating together.	ta cùng tìm hiểu.

20:51	It’s your responsibility to inquire,	Trách nhiệm bạn là tìm tòi,
	not merely intellectually, verbally,	không chỉ về trí óc, ngôn từ...

21:05	but with your heart, with your brain,	...mà cả con tim, khối
	with all your being.	óc, cả con người bạn.

21:10	And find out why we are what we are.

21:19	We have tried various religions,	Và tìm xem tại sao
	various economic systems,	chúng ta như hiện giờ.

21:27	social differences;	Chúng ta đã thử nhiều tôn giáo,
		nhiều hệ thống kinh tế, xã hội

21:34	and yet we live in conflict.	...và chúng ta vẫn
		sống trong xung đột.

21:41	Can this conflict	Có thể chấm dứt xung
	in each one of us end?	đột trong mỗi chúng ta?

21:48	Completely, not partially,	Hoàn toàn, không phải
	not occasionally.	một phần hay thỉnh thoảng.

21:57	It’s a very serious question.	Đó là câu hỏi
		rất nghiêm túc.

22:01	It demands a serious answer.	Đòi hỏi câu trả
		lời nghiêm túc.

22:07	Not it’s possible or not possible,	Không phải có thể hay không thể,
	but to inquire into it very deeply	mà tìm kiếm thật sâu vào...

22:21	why human beings,	...tại sao con người, có
	including you, the speaker perhaps,	lẽ cả bạn và người nói...

22:30	live in perpetual conflict,	...sống triền miên trong
	problems, divisions.	xung đột, vấn đề, chia rẽ.

22:38	Why we have divided the world	Tại sao chúng ta chia thế giới
	into nationalities, religious groups,	thành quốc gia, giáo phái...

22:49	social behaviour	...tư cách xã hội,
	and all the rest of it.	và những thứ khác.

22:53	Can we seriously	Chiều nay, chúng ta nghiêm túc
	this afternoon inquire	tìm xem có thể chấm dứt xung đột.

23:01	whether it’s possible
	to end conflict.

23:04	First psychologically, inwardly,	Tâm lý trước, bên trong...

23:09	because if there is a certain	...bởi vì nếu có phẩm
	quality of freedom inwardly	chất tự do bên trong...

23:19	then we shall produce a society	...chúng ta sẽ tạo ra một
	in which there will be no conflict.	xã hội không có xung đột.

23:27	So it’s our responsibility as human	Đó là trách nhiệm chúng ta,
	beings, as so-called individualities	con người, như gọi là cá nhân...

23:38	that we seriously put our brains,	...chúng ta nghiêm túc đem trí
	our energy, our passion	óc, năng lượng, nhiệt tình...

23:46	into discovering for ourselves,	...khám phá cho mình,
	not according to any philosopher,	không theo triết gia nào...

23:56	not according to some psychiatrist,

24:02	but to inquire, observe,	...không theo nhà tâm thần học
	find out for oneself	nào, v.v.., mà tìm tòi, quan sát

24:09	whether this conflict	...tìm kiếm cho mình, xem
	between two human beings	xung đột giữa hai con người...

24:14	whether they be intimate or not,	...dù thân thiết hay không,
	whether it could end.	có thể nào chấm dứt.

24:28	What is conflict?	Xung đột là gì? Tại sao
	Why have we lived with conflict?	chúng ta sống với xung đột?

24:35	Why have we problems?	Tại sao chúng ta có vấn đề?

24:40	What is a problem?	Vấn đề là gì?

24:45	Please inquire with the speaker into	Vui lòng cùng người nói tìm
	this question. What is a problem?	hiểu điều này. Vấn đề là gì?

24:53	The etymological meaning of that word	Về từ nguyên, từ ấy nghĩa là
	means ‘something thrown at you’.	'điều gì được ném vào bạn'.

25:01	A problem is a challenge,	Vấn đề là một thách thức,
	something you have to answer.	điều gì bạn phải trả lời.

25:10	But if you begin to inquire	Nhưng nếu bạn bắt đầu tìm hiểu
	into the whole nature of a problem,	toàn bộ bản chất vấn đề...

25:25	if you begin to inquire	Nếu bạn bắt đầu tìm hiểu
	into the whole nature of a problem,	toàn bộ bản chất vấn đề...

25:30	whether it’s most intimate	...dù là thân thiết nhất
	or a world problem...	hay vấn đề thế giới...

25:38	As we said, the meaning	...như đã nói, về từ
	of that word etymologically	nguyên, từ đó nghĩa là...

25:42	means something propelled,	...điều gì được đẩy
	something thrown at you.	vào, được ném vào bạn.

25:49	I wonder if we have noticed	Tôi tự hỏi chúng ta có lưu
	from this question of problems,	ý chuyện về vấn đề ấy...

25:58	when you are a child,	...khi chúng ta còn bé,
	you are sent to school.	được gửi đến trường.

26:06	There you have the problem	Ở đó chúng ta có vấn đề
	of writing, problem of mathematics,	về viết chữ, về toán học...

26:16	problem of history, science,	...vấn đề về lịch sử, khoa
	chemistry, and all the rest of it.	học, hóa học, và mọi cái khác.

26:22	So from childhood	Vậy là từ bé chúng ta đã
	we are trained to have problems.	được rèn để có vấn đề.

26:30	Please have patience.	Hãy kiên nhẫn.

26:33	Look at it carefully.	Nhìn kỹ xem.

26:36	So our brain is conditioned, trained,	Vậy trí óc chúng ta bị qui
	educated to have problems.	định, rèn, dạy để có vấn đề.

26:46	Observe it for yourself.	Hãy quan sát cho chính bạn.

26:51	And don’t please merely	Và đừng chỉ lắng
	listen to the speaker.	nghe người nói.

27:00	We are together investigating, looking	Chúng ta cùng tìm kiếm, nhìn
	into the problems that you have.	xem những vấn đề trong bạn.

27:10	So from childhood we are trained,	Từ nhỏ chúng ta được rèn,
		dạy, qui định để có vấn đề...

27:14	educated, conditioned
	to have problems:

27:24	and when new problems arise,	...và khi vấn đề mới nổi
	which they inevitably do,	lên, đương nhiên chúng làm...

27:34	our brain, being full of problems,	...trí óc, đang đầy ắp vấn đề,
	tries to solve another problem	cố giải quyết vấn đề khác...

27:42	and thereby increase more problems,	...và thế là tăng thêm vấn đề;
		đó là điều xảy ra trên thế giới

27:44	which is what is happening
	in the world.

27:48	The politicians all over the world	Các chính trị gia khắp thế
	are increasing, problem after problem.	giới làm tăng thêm vấn đề.

27:55	And they have found no answer.	Và họ không tìm
		ra câu trả lời.

28:00	So is it possible	Vậy có thể nào - hãy nghe
	– please listen if you will –	nếu bạn muốn - có thể nào...

28:07	is it possible to have a brain
	that is free from problems

28:14	so that you can solve problems.	...trí óc thoát mọi vấn đề để
		bạn có thể giải quyết vấn đề.

28:18	Not a cluttered brain	Không phải trí óc
	full of problems.	lộn xộn đầy vấn đề.

28:27	Is that possible?	Có thể chứ?

28:31	And also – if you say	Và - nếu bạn nói không
	it is not possible or it is possible,	thể hay có thể...

28:39	you have stopped investigating.	...bạn đã dừng tìm kiếm.

28:44	What is important in this inquiry	Điều quan trọng
		trong tìm kiếm ấy...

28:48	is that one must have	...là chúng ta phải có
	a great deal of doubt, scepticism.	nghi vấn lớn lao; hoài nghi.

29:00	Never accepting anything	Không hề chấp nhận gì
	at its face value	ở giá trị bề ngoài...

29:04	or according to your pleasure	...hay theo thích
	or gratification.	thú hoặc hài lòng.

29:10	Life is much too serious.	Sự sống vô cùng quan trọng.

29:18	So we should inquire not only	Nên chúng ta phải tìm hiểu không
	into the nature of conflict, problems,	chỉ bản chất xung đột, vấn đề

29:26	but also – perhaps this	...mà cả - có lẽ điều này
	may be much more important –	quan trọng hơn nhiều...

29:34	go all over the world, wherever you	...đi khắp thế giới, nơi nào bạn
	will, every human being on this earth,	muốn, mọi người trên trái đất

29:46	every human being whether he lives	mỗi người dù họ sống ở Nga,
	in Russia, China, Asia, India,	Trung quốc, Á châu, Ấn độ...

29:53	Europe or here, goes	...Âu châu hay ở đây, đều
	through all kinds of sorrow.	trải qua mọi thứ đau khổ.

30:03	Thousands and millions have shed	Hàng ngàn hàng triệu đã rơi
	tears and occasional laughter.	nước mắt với tiếng cười hiếm hoi.

30:16	Every human being on this earth	Mọi người trên trái đất với
	has had great loneliness, despair,	cô đơn cùng cực, tuyệt vọng...

30:24	anxiety, confused,	...lo âu, rối loạn, bất định
	uncertain – like you.	- như bạn.

30:36	Every human being, black, white,	Mọi người, đen, trắng,
	purple or whatever colour you like.	tía hay màu gì bạn thích.

30:44	And psychologically	Và về tâm lý đó là thực tế;
	this is a fact, actuality,	không phải người nói đặt ra.

30:53	not invented by the speaker.

30:57	This is observable; you can see it	Quan sát được; bạn có thể
	on every face on this earth.	xem nó trên mỗi gương mặt.

31:09	And so psychologically	Và về tâm lý bạn là
	you are the rest of mankind.	toàn thể nhân loại.

31:22	You may be tall, short, black or	Bạn có thể cao, thấp, đen
	white, or what colour you may be,	hay trắng, hay màu gì đó...

31:27	but psychologically you are mankind.	...nhưng về tâm lý
		bạn là nhân loại.

31:34	Please understand this	Hãy hiểu điều này
		- không phải bằng trí, ý hệ hay giả thuyết

31:35	– not intellectually or ideologically
	or a hypothesis,

31:42	but it is an actuality,	...mà đó là thực tế,
	burning reality	hiện thực cháy bỏng...

31:49	that you psychologically	...rằng về tâm lý bạn
	are the rest of mankind.	là toàn thể nhân loại.

32:00	Therefore psychologically	Vậy là về tâm lý
	you are not individuals.	bạn không phải cá nhân.

32:10	Though religions, except perhaps	Dù các tôn giáo, có lẽ trừ
	parts of Hinduism and Buddhism,	vài phần của Ấn và Phật giáo...

32:19	have entertained, encouraged	...giải trí, cổ vũ ý
	the sense of individual growth,	nghĩa cá nhân lớn mạnh...

32:27	saving individual souls	...cứu vớt linh hồn cá
	and all that business,	nhân, v.v.., nhưng thực tế...

32:34	but in actuality
	in your consciousness,

32:39	your consciousness is not yours.	...trong nhận thức, nhận
		thức không phải của bạn.

32:43	It’s the rest of mankind’s.

32:47	Because we all go	Đó là cả nhân loại.
	through the same mill,

32:53	the same endless conflict and so on.	Vì chúng ta trải qua gian khổ,
		xung đột bất tận như nhau, v.v..

33:01	When one realizes this,	Khi nhận ra điều ấy,
	not emotionally,	không phải cảm xúc...

33:06	not as an intellectual concept,	...không phải quan niệm trí óc
	but as something actual, real, true,	mà là việc thực tế, thực sự...

33:21	then you will not kill	...vậy là bạn sẽ
	another human being.	không giết ai nữa.

33:26	You will never kill another,	Bạn sẽ không hề giết ai,
	either verbally or intellectually,	cả về ngôn từ lẫn trí óc...

33:36	ideologically or physically,	...ý thức hệ hay vật chất, bởi
	because then you are killing yourself.	vì bạn đang giết chính mình.

33:50	But individuality has been encouraged	Nhưng tính cá nhân được
	all over the world.	cổ vũ khắp thế giới.

33:57	Each one is struggling for himself:	Mỗi người đấu tranh cho
	his success, his fulfilment,	mình: thành công, thỏa mãn...

34:05	his achievement, pursuing his desires	...thành đạt, đuổi theo ước vọng
	and creating havoc in the world.	và gây tàn phá khắp thế giới.

34:17	Please understand this	Hãy hiểu thật rõ việc này.
	very carefully.

34:25	We are not saying that each individual	Chúng ta không nói mỗi cá
	is important: on the contrary.	nhân quan trọng: mà ngược lại.

34:36	If you are concerned	Nếu bạn quan tâm
	with global peace,	hòa bình thế giới...

34:43	not just your own	...không phải hòa bình nhỏ
	little peace in the backyard;	bé của bạn ở sân nhà...

34:50	nations have become the backyard.	...quốc gia đã
		trở thành sân nhà.

34:55	If you are really concerned, as most	Nếu thực sự quan tâm, như người
	serious people must be concerned,	nghiêm túc nhất phải quan tâm...

35:08	that you are the rest of humanity	...rằng bạn là cả nhân loại
	– that’s a great responsibility.	- đó là trách nhiệm lớn lao.

35:21	So we must go back	Vậy chúng ta phải quay
	and find out for ourselves	lại và tìm hiểu...

35:28	why human beings have reduced	...tại sao con người làm
	the world to what it is now.	hỏng thế giới như hiện nay.

35:38	What is the cause of all this?	Nguyên nhân nào lại như thế?

35:42	Why have we made such a mess	Tại sao chúng ta chạm vào
	of everything we touch,	gì là làm rối tung hết...

35:49	both in our personal relationship,	...cả trong quan hệ cá
	between man and woman,	nhân, giữa nam và nữ...

35:53	between each other;

35:57	why there is conflict between gods:	...mình với người; tại sao
	your god and the other’s god;	có xung đột giữa thần thánh;

36:06	so we must inquire together	...Thượng đế của bạn và của
		người khác; vậy phải tìm xem...

36:13	whether it is possible	...có thể nào
	to end conflict.	chấm dứt xung đột.

36:18	Otherwise we’ll never	Nếu không chúng ta sẽ
	have peace in this world.	không hề có hòa bình.

36:25	Long before Christianity	Rất lâu trước Cơ đốc con
	they talked about peace on earth.	người đã bàn về hòa bình.

36:35	Long before Christianity, in Hinduism,	Rất lâu trước Cơ đốc, Hin
	they worshipped trees,	đu, họ đã tôn thờ cây cối...

36:45	stones, animals, nature,	...đất đá, thú vật, tự
	lightning, the sun;	nhiên, sấm sét, mặt trời;

36:55	there was never	...chưa hề có ý nghĩa
	any sense of god before	Thượng đế trước đó...

37:00	because they considered the earth	...bởi vì họ xem trái đất như
	as the mother to be worshipped,	bà mẹ để tôn thờ, giữ gìn...

37:07	to be conserved, preserved, spared,	...duy trì, để dành, không phá
	not destroyed as we are doing now.	hoại như chúng ta đang làm...

37:20	So let’s inquire together	Vậy hãy cùng tìm hiểu xem
	– please, I mean together,	- tôi nói cùng nhau...

37:29	not I inquire and you listen,	...không phải tôi tìm và bạn nghe,
	casually agreeing and disagreeing.	rồi tình cờ đồng ý hay không.

37:37	Could we this afternoon put aside all	Chiều nay có thể dẹp hết quan
	this idea of agreeing or disagreeing?	niệm đồng hay không đồng ý chứ?

37:49	Will you do that?	Bạn sẽ làm chứ?

37:52	So that we can both of us	Để chúng ta nhìn sự vật y như
	look at things as they are,	thế, chứ không theo bạn nghĩ...

38:00	not what you think they are;

38:03	not your idea or concept of what is,	không ý niệm hay quan
	but just look at it.	niệm về nó, mà chỉ nhìn.

38:14	Look at it non-verbally even,	Nhìn, mà ngay cả
	if that’s possible.	không lời, nếu có thể.

38:20	That’s much more difficult.	Việc đó vô cùng khó khăn.

38:28		(Thở dài)

38:35	First of all,	Trước hết, chúng ta đang
	this is the actual world we live in.	sống trong thế giới này.

38:43	You cannot possibly escape	Bạn không thể bỏ trốn
	from it through monasteries,	vào các tu viện...

38:51	through religious experiences – and	...vào các kinh nghiệm tôn giáo
	one must doubt, always, experiences.	(và phải luôn nghi ngờ chúng).

39:04	Man has done everything	Con người đã làm
	on earth possible	mọi việc có thể...

39:11	to run away from the actuality	...để chạy trốn thực tế đời
	of daily living,	sống hàng ngày đầy phức tạp...

39:21	with all its complexities.

39:25	Why do we have conflict in	Tại sao chúng ta xung đột
	relationship, between man and woman:	trong quan hệ, giữa nam và nữ:

39:38	sexual, sensory division.	...phân chia giới
		tính, cảm giác.

39:48	And in this peculiar relationship	Và trong quan hệ kỳ cục ấy
	man is pursuing his own ambition,	con người chạy theo khát vọng...

39:57	his own greed, his own desires,	...tham lam, ước muốn,
	his own fulfilment,	thỏa mãn riêng...

40:01	and the woman too is doing the same.	...và phụ nữ
		cũng làm y như thế.

40:06	I don’t know if you have noticed	Không biết bạn có lưu ý
	all this for yourself.	mọi việc này cho mình.

40:11	So there are two ambitious, driving	Vậy là có hai tham vọng, thúc đẩy
	– being driven by desire and so on –	- thúc đẩy do ước muốn v.v..

40:22	two parallel lines never meeting	...hai đường song song không hề
	except perhaps sexually.	gặp nhau, có lẽ trừ tình dục.

40:31	So how can there be a relationship	Thế thì làm sao có thể
	between two people	có quan hệ giữa hai người...

40:38	when each one is pursuing	...khi mỗi người chạy theo ước
	his own desires, ambitions, greed.	muốn, khát vọng, tham lam riêng.

40:51	In this relationship,	Trong quan hệ, vì có phân
	because there is this division,	chia nên không có yêu thương.

40:57	there is no love.	Hãy ngồi y đó nhé.
	Please, hold to your seats.

41:05	That word ‘love’ is polluted,	Từ 'yêu thương' bị ô nhiễm,
	spat upon, degraded;	nhổ nước bọt, thoái hóa;

41:12	it has become merely	...nó chỉ còn là
	sensuous, pleasurable.	nhục dục, khoái lạc.

41:22	Love is not pleasure.	Yêu thương không
		phải khoái lạc.

41:26	Love is not something	Yêu thương không phải
	put together by thought;	do ý nghĩ bày ra...

41:34	it’s not something	...không thuộc cảm giác; chúng
	dependent on sensation;	ta sẽ nói chút ít về nó sau.

41:40	we’ll talk about that a little later.

41:45	So how can there be right,	Vậy làm sao có thể quan hệ đúng
	true relationship between two people	đắn, chân thật giữa hai người

41:53	when each one considers	...khi mỗi người tự
	his own importance.	coi mình là quan trọng.

42:02	Self-interest is the beginning	Tư lợi là khởi đầu
	of corruption, destruction,	của hư hỏng, phá hoại...

42:11	whether it be in a politician,	...dù là chính trị gia,
	or the religious man, and so on;	hay người theo Đạo, v.v..

42:18	self-interest dominates the world	...tư lợi thống trị thế
	and therefore there is conflict.	giới và vì vậy có xung đột.

42:29	Where there is duality, separation,	Nơi đâu có nhị nguyên, phân chia,
	as the Greek and the Muslim,	như người Hy lạp và Hồi giáo

42:40	or the Jew and the Arab, as the	...hay Do thái và Ả rập, như
	Christian who believes in some saviour	người Cơ đốc tin Đấng cứu thế...

42:49	and the Hindu who doesn’t believe	...và người Hin đu không tin
	in all this, there is this division:	mọi thứ ấy, có sự phân biệt:

42:56	national division, religious division,	...phân chia quốc gia, phân chia
	individual divisions;	tôn giáo, phân chia cá nhân...

43:01	where there is division	...nơi đâu có phân biệt
	there must be conflict.	tất phải có xung đột.

43:07	That’s a law.	Đó là luật.

43:15	So we live our daily life in a little	Vậy chúng ta sống hàng ngày
	circumscribed self, a limited self.	trong cái ngã hẹp hòi, giới hạn.

43:27	Not by the higher self,	Không phải cái ngã cao hơn, mà
	the limited, self is always limited;	là hẹp hòi, ngã luôn giới hạn;

43:34	and that’s the cause of conflict.	...và đó là
		nguyên nhân xung đột.

43:40	That’s the central core	Đó là cốt lõi trung tâm của
	of our struggle,	xung đột, đớn đau, lo âu, v.v..

43:44	pain, anxiety,
	and all the rest of it.

43:51	If one becomes aware of it,	Nếu bạn nhận ra điều đó, như
	as most people must naturally,	hầu hết phải thế, tự nhiên...

43:58	not because you’re told to	...chứ không phải vì
		bạn được nghe hay đọc...

44:02	or because you read some
	philosophical book or psychology,

44:07	but it’s an actual fact.	...vài quyển sách triết học
		hay tâm lý, mà là thực sự.

44:14	Each one is concerned with himself.	Mỗi người quan
		tâm chính mình.

44:22	He lives in a separate world	Hắn sống trong thế
	all to himself.	giới riêng cho hắn.

44:29	And therefore there is division	Và vì vậy có sự phân chia
	between you and another,	giữa bạn và người khác...

44:37	between you and your religion,	...bạn và tôn giáo bạn,
	between you and your god,	bạn và Thượng đế bạn...

44:44	between you and your ideologies.	...giữa bạn và
		lý tưởng bạn.

44:50	So is it possible to understand	Vậy có thể thấu hiểu
	– not intellectually but deeply –	- không phải trí óc mà là thẳm sâu...

45:00	that you are the rest of mankind.	...rằng bạn là
		cả nhân loại.

45:05	Whatever you do, good or bad,

45:10	affects the rest of mankind,	Bạn làm gì cũng ảnh hưởng cả
	because you are mankind.	nhân loại, vì bạn là nhân loại.

45:16	Your consciousness is not yours.	Nhận thức không
		phải của bạn.

45:22	Your consciousness is	Nhận thức hình
	made up of its content.	thành do tích chứa.

45:33	Without the content	Không tích chứa
	there is no consciousness.	không có nhận thức.

45:37	Your consciousness	Nhận thức bạn giống
	like the rest of humanity	như cả nhân loại...

45:43	is made up of beliefs, fears,	...do niềm tin, sợ hãi, tín ngưỡng,
	faith, gods, personal ambitions	thượng đế, tham vọng cá nhân

45:50	and all the rest of fears	...cả sợ hãi và mọi thứ
	and all that;	đó; cả nhận thức bạn...

45:53	your whole consciousness is made up	...hình thành từ mọi
	of all this, put together by thought.	cái đó, do ý nghĩ bày ra.

46:05	One hopes that we have	Hy vọng chúng
	taken the journey together.	ta cùng bước đi.

46:13	Together we are walking the same road;	Chúng ta cùng bước
		đi chung đường...

46:20	not that you are listening	...chứ không phải bạn
	to a series of ideas.	nghe hàng lô ý niệm.

46:28	We are not pursuing ideas	Chúng ta không theo ý niệm hay ý
	or ideologies, but facing actuality.	thức hệ, mà giáp mặt thực tế.

46:38	Because in actuality and going	Bởi vì thực tế và vượt
	beyond that actuality is the truth.	cả thực tế ấy là sự thực.

46:45	And when you discover, when there is	Và khi bạn nhận ra, khi có sự
	truth it’s the most dangerous thing.	thực là điều cực kỳ nguy hiểm.

46:52	Truth is very dangerous because	Sự thực vô cùng nguy hiểm vì
	it brings a revolution in oneself.	nó bùng nổ cách mạng trong bạn.

47:03	Q: Excuse me, would it be possible	Bạn nữ: Xin lỗi
	to turn up the volume?	- có thể vặn âm thanh lớn hơn?

47:07	K: Please – sorry, sorry –	Làm ơn - xin lỗi
	forgive me, forgive the speaker	- xin thứ lỗi...

47:11	if he doesn’t answer questions.	...xin thứ lỗi cho người
		nói nếu anh ta không trả lời.

47:15	Because then we get too distracted.	Bởi vì chúng
		ta quá lãng tâm.

47:24	You know, it’s good to ask questions.	Bạn biết, hỏi là rất tốt.

47:31	And whom are you asking	Và bạn đặt câu hỏi với ai?
	the question, to whom?

47:39	Are you asking the question	Có phải bạn hỏi người nói?
	to the speaker?

47:44	That means you are waiting	Thế là bạn mong
	for an answer from the speaker.	người nói trả lời.

47:50	Then you depend on the speaker.	Vậy là bạn lệ
		thuộc người nói.

47:53	Then you establish gurus.	Vậy là bạn dựng lên đạo sư.

47:59	Have you ever gone into the question:	Có bao giờ bạn tìm hiểu:
	why we ask questions?	tại sao chúng ta đặt câu hỏi?

48:07	Not that you should not,	Chẳng phải không nên, mà
	but we are inquiring.	là chúng ta tìm hiểu.

48:14	Suppose you ask the speaker a question	Giả sử bạn hỏi người
	and he answers it:	nói và anh ta trả lời:

48:21	either you accept it or deny it.	...dù bạn chấp
		nhận hay không.

48:28	If it is satisfactory to you	Nếu thỏa mãn là nó phù hớp
		với qui định hay lập trường bạn

48:31	according to your conditioning
	or your background,

48:35	then you say,	...và bạn nói, "Vâng,
	‘Yes, I agree with you entirely’.	tôi hoàn toàn đồng ý."

48:41	Or if you don’t agree,	Hay nếu không đồng ý,
	you say, ‘What nonsense’.	bạn nói, "Vô lý quá."

48:48	But if you begin to inquire	Nhưng nếu bạn bắt đầu
	into the question itself,	tìm hiểu chính câu hỏi...

48:53	is the answer separate	...câu trả lời có
	from the question?	khác câu hỏi không?

48:59	Or does the answer lie	Hay câu trả lời nằm
	in the question itself?	trong chính câu hỏi?

49:06	The perfume of a flower	Hương thơm của
	is the flower.	hoa chính là hoa.

49:14	The very flower is	Chính đóa hoa
	the essence of that perfume.	là mùi thơm ấy.

49:21	But we depend on others	Nhưng quá lệ thuộc, được giúp,
	so much to be helped,	cổ vũ để giải quyết vấn đề;

49:27	to be encouraged
	to solve our problems;

49:32	therefore out of our confusion	...nên từ rối loạn chúng ta tạo
		ra uy quyền, đạo sư, giáo sĩ.

49:35	we create authority,
	the gurus, the priests.

49:43	So please, it’s good	Vậy nên đặt câu
	to ask questions.	hỏi là rất tốt.

49:53	I don’t know	Không biết bạn
	if you have gone into this.	có tìm hiểu chưa.

49:57	You know, we have lost	Bạn biết, chúng ta đánh mất
	the art of investigation, discussion:	nghệ thuật tìm kiếm, thảo luận:

50:12	not taking sides but looking at it.	...không phải về phía
		nào mà nhìn vào nó.

50:16	It’s very complex, maybe not	Quá phức tạp, có lẽ không
	the right occasion to go into this.	phải lúc để đào sâu việc này.

50:23	You also should inquire	Phải xem coi tại sao từ nhỏ
		chúng ta bị xúc chạm, tổn thương.

50:29	why from childhood we are hurt
	psychologically, wounded.

50:37	Most of us psychologically	Hầu hết chúng ta bị vết thương
	are wounded,	tâm lý, và từ vết thương ấy...

50:44	and from that wound
	either one is conscious of it or not,

50:51	many of our problems arise.	...dù bạn có ý thức hay
		không, nhiều vấn đề khởi lên.

51:02	The wound as a child by a scolding, by	Vết thương hồi còn bé bị chưởi
	saying something ugly, brutal, violent	mắng hay nói thô lỗ, tàn tệ...

51:14	we are wounded.	...chúng ta bị tổn thương.

51:19	When you say ‘we are wounded’	Khi nói "chúng ta bị tổn
	who is it that is wounded?	thương", ai bị tổn thương?

51:26	Is it the image that you have built	Có phải hình ảnh dựng lên về
	about yourself that’s wounded;	mình bị tổn thương; tinh thần?

51:34	the psyche?

51:39	Please, the speaker has not read	Người nói chưa đọc
	any of the psychology books	sách tâm lý nào hay...

51:44	or philosophy or religious books,	...sách triết học hoặc tôn giáo,
	he’s just investigating with you.	anh ta chỉ tìm kiếm cùng bạn.

51:51	The psyche, which is the ‘me’

51:54	– and the me is the image	Tinh thần, cái 'tôi'
	I have built about myself.	- và đó là hình ảnh dựng lên về mình...

51:59	There is nothing spiritual about it –	...không có tâm linh gì về nó
	that’s another ugly word ‘spiritual’.	hết (đó là một từ tệ, tâm linh).

52:09	That image gets hurt and we carry	Hình ảnh bị tổn thương và ta
	that image right through our life.	mang hình ảnh ấy suốt cả đời.

52:18	If one image is not pleasant,

52:21	we put together another image	Nếu hình ảnh không vui, chúng ta
	which is pleasant, encouraging,	chồng lên hình ảnh khác vui thú

52:28	worthwhile, significant, giving	...cổ vũ nó - đáng giá, ý vị,
	intellectual meaning to our life.	cho một ý nghĩa lên cuộc đời.

52:38	This is the wound that has	Đây là thế giới
	been brought about	chúng ta tạo ra...

52:44	in the image that one has	...mang hình ảnh ta
	built about oneself.	đã vẽ về chính mình.

52:48	Is it possible to live on this earth

52:52	not having a single image	Có thể nào sống trên đời mà
	about anybody	không có hình ảnh gì, về ai hết

53:00	including god,	...gồm cả Thượng đế,
	if there is such an entity,	nếu có ai như thế...

53:05	no image about your wife and your	...không có hình ảnh gì về
	children and your husband, and so on.	vợ chồng con cái, và v.v..

53:11	Not to have a single image.	Chẳng có hình ảnh nào.

53:16	Then it is possible never to be hurt.	Vậy là không hề
		bị tổn thương.

53:23	And also, as our time is limited,	Và cũng vì thời gian có
	because we are only	hạn, vì chúng ta chỉ...

53:30	this half-talk in the afternoon	...có nửa buổi nói chuyện
	and tomorrow morning,	chiều nay và sáng mai...

53:38	we ought to inquire carefully whether	...chúng ta phải tìm hiểu kỹ
	it is possible to be free of fear.	xem có thể nào lìa bỏ sợ hãi.

53:53	This is really an important	Đó thực sự là
	question to ask.	câu hỏi quan trọng.

53:58	Not that I am asking for you,	Không phải tôi hỏi bạn, mà
	but you are asking this of yourself.	chính bạn tự hỏi điều ấy.

54:07	Whether it is possible, living in a	Có thể nào, sống trong xã hội
	modern society with all the brutality,	hiện đại với mọi thứ bạo tàn

54:14	with all the tremendous	...với bạo lực tràn
	violence that is on the increase,	lan đang gia tăng...

54:21	is there freedom from fear?	...thoát mọi sợ hãi không?

54:30	Which is entirely	Nó hoàn toàn
	different from analysis.	khác với phân tích.

54:35	Just to observe	Chỉ quan sát mà không bóp méo:
	without any distortion:	ví dụ quan sát hội trường này

54:44	to observe this hall, for example,

54:48	how many tiers there are	...có bao nhiêu bậc
	– five of them, four of them –	(năm bậc hay bốn bậc)...

54:54	to observe your neighbour’s	...quan sát y phục người hàng
	dress, face, how he talks,	xóm, nét mặt, nói năng...

55:00	just to observe, not criticize,	...chỉ quan sát, không phê bình;
	not evaluate, judge,	không đánh giá, phán đoán...

55:11	but to observe a tree, to observe	...mà nhìn xem cây cối; ngắm
	the moon and the swift-running waters.	trăng và nước chảy róc rách.

55:26	When you so observe	Khi bạn quan sát như thế
	then you ask yourself, what is	rồi tự hỏi mình, gì là...

55:34	– I’ll come back to fear presently –	- Sẽ trở lại với sợ hãi ngay -

55:36	what is beauty?	...đẹp là gì?

55:43	They talk a great deal	Họ nói quá nhiều về
	about beauty in the magazines:	cái đẹp trong tạp chí:

55:49	how you must be beautiful,	...bạn phải đẹp thế
	your face, your hair,	nào, nét mặt, mái tóc...

55:52	your complexion	...nước da và
	and all the rest of it.	những thứ khác.

55:58	So what is beauty?	Vậy đẹp là gì?

56:04	Is beauty in the picture,
	in the painting,

56:09	in the strange modern structure?	Đẹp trong tranh ảnh, hội họa,
		những kiến trúc hiện đại kỳ cục?

56:16	Is beauty in a poem?	Đẹp trong thơ ca?

56:21	Is beauty in merely	Đẹp chỉ trên nét mặt,
	the physical face and body?	thân thể vật chất?

56:32	Have you ever asked this question?	Bạn có từng hỏi vậy chưa?

56:37	If you are an artist or a poet	Nếu bạn là nghệ sĩ,
	or a literary person,	nhà thơ hay viết văn...

56:46	you may describe	...bạn có thể tả
	something very beautiful,	điều gì thật đẹp...

56:50	paint something that’s lovely,	...vẽ gì đó đáng yêu, một
		bài thơ thực sự kích động bạn.

56:55	a poem that really
	stirs your very being.

57:03	So what is beauty?	Vậy đẹp là gì?

57:10	Because freedom means	Bởi vì tự do nghĩa là
	– etymologically the word ‘freedom’ –	- về từ nguyên, từ 'tự do'...

57:16	in that word ‘freedom’ there is love.	...trong từ 'tự
		do' có yêu thương.

57:24	The word ‘freedom’, in that word	Từ 'tự do', trong từ đó,
	there is the etymological meaning	về từ nguyên học nghĩa là...

57:30	also which is love.	...cũng nghĩa là yêu thương.

57:35	What is the relationship	Có liên hệ gì giữa
	between love and beauty?	cái đẹp và yêu thương?

57:44	When we talk about love,	Khi nói về yêu thương, có
	perhaps later on, what is beauty?	lẽ nói sau, cái đẹp là gì?

57:52	Is it in the eye of the beholder?	Nó ở trong mắt
		người nhìn ư?

58:00	Have you ever noticed, give a nice	Bạn có để ý, khi cho đứa
	toy, a complicated toy, to a child;	bé đồ chơi đẹp, phức tạp...

58:12	he’s being naughty, shouting, playing,	...nó đang nghịch ngợm,
		la hét, chơi đùa...

58:15	and when you give him a toy	...và khi bạn cho đồ chơi, nó
	he gets completely absorbed in that	hoàn toàn bị cuốn hút vào đó...

58:23	and all his playfulness stops,	...và dừng chơi đùa, nghịch
	naughtiness, if I can use that word,	ngợm, nếu có thể dùng từ ấy.

58:30	because he is absorbed.	...vì nó bị cuốn hút.

58:37	Is being absorbed in a poem,	Bị cuốn hút vào thơ ca, nét mặt,
	in a face, in a picture,	tranh ảnh, bị cuốn hút vào...

58:48	being absorbed in it or attracted	...hay bị lôi cuốn, có
	by it, is that absorption beauty?	phải đẹp là cuốn hút?

59:02	When you look at a marvellous mountain	Khi bạn nhìn ngọn núi hùng
	with a snowcap, eternal snows,	vĩ, với đỉnh tuyết vĩnh cửu...

59:10	the line against the blue sky,

59:15	for a second the immensity	...hiện lên trời xanh, trong phút
	of that mountain	giây, cái bao la của ngọn núi...

59:20	drives away the self, the ‘me’,	...xô dạt cái ngã, cái 'tôi',
	with all my problems, all my anxiety;	với mọi thứ vấn đề, lo âu;

59:27	that majesty of the great rocks	...mấy tảng đá to đường bệ,
		thung lũng và sông suối đáng yêu;

59:30	and the beautiful, lovely
	valleys and the rivers;

59:36	at that moment, that second,	...lúc ấy, giây phút
	the self is not.	ấy, cái tôi vắng mặt.

59:44	So the mountain has	Vậy ngọn núi xô dạt cái ngã,
	driven away the self,	như đồ chơi làm đứa bé lặng yên.

59:49	like the toy,
	with it the child is quiet.

59:55	So that mountain, that river,	Ngọn núi ấy, dòng sông kia,
	the depth of the blue valleys	thung lũng xanh sâu thẳm...

1:00:05	dispels for a second	...trong phút chốc quét đi mọi
	all your problems,	vấn đề, mọi lo âu và tự phụ.

1:00:09	all your vanities and anxieties.

1:00:13	Then you say,	Rồi bạn nói,
	‘How beautiful that is’.	"Ồ, đẹp biết bao."

1:00:17	So is there beauty without being	Vậy có cái đẹp không bị thu
	absorbed by something outside?	hút bởi điều gì bên ngoài không?

1:00:27	That is, is there beauty,	Nghĩa là, có chăng cái đẹp, hay
	or beauty is where the self is not.	đẹp có mặt khi ngã vắng bóng?

1:00:35	You understand this?	Bạn hiểu không?

1:00:37	Don’t go to sleep, please.	Làm ơn đừng đi ngủ. (Cười)

1:00:45	You might have had a good lunch,	Chắc bạn đã có bữa
	I hope you did,	trưa ngon lành, mong thế...

1:00:50	but this is not the place	...nhưng đây không
	to go to sleep.	phải là nơi để ngủ.

1:00:55	It’s your problem, your life, not	Vấn đề bạn, cuộc đời bạn, không
	the speaker’s life, it’s your life:	phải của người nói, đời bạn:

1:01:03	your vanities, your despairs,	...chúng ta nói về tự phụ,
	your sorrows we are talking about.	chán nản, đau khổ của bạn.

1:01:16	So keep awake	Vậy hãy giữ tỉnh thức mười lăm,
	for another quarter of an hour,	hai mươi, hay ba mươi phút nữa...

1:01:20	twenty minutes, thirty minutes	...nếu bạn thích.
	if you are interested.

1:01:28	So beauty is when the self is not.	Vậy cái đẹp hiện
		diện khi ngã vắng bóng.

1:01:38	And that requires great meditation,	Và điều ấy đòi hỏi thật
	great inquiry,	nhều thiền định, tìm kiếm...

1:01:48	a tremendous sense of discipline.	...ý nghĩa lớn
		lao của kỷ luật.

1:01:53	The word ‘discipline’ means	Từ 'kỷ luật' nghĩa là người
		học trò đang học với thầy giáo.

1:01:56	the one disciple
	who is learning from the master.

1:02:01	Learning, not disciplining,	Học, không phải kỷ luật, tuân
	conforming,	thủ, bắt chước; chỉnh đốn, học.

1:02:06	imitating, adjusting – learning.

1:02:11	Learning brings its own	Học tự nó đem lại
	tremendous discipline.	kỷ luật lớn lao.

1:02:20	And that inward sense of austerity,	Và ý nghĩa khổ hạnh bên
	discipline is necessary.	trong, kỷ luật là cần thiết.

1:02:33	So we must inquire together	Nên chúng ta phải cùng
	into what is fear.	tìm hiểu sợ hãi là gì.

1:02:41	What is the time, sir?	Mấy giờ rồi?

1:02:51	May we go on? You aren’t tired?	Chúng ta tiếp tục
		chứ? bạn không mệt à?

1:02:58	What is fear?	Sợ hãi là gì?

1:03:03	Again, humanity has put up with fear.	Nhân loại chấp nhận sợ hãi.

1:03:12	Has never been able to solve fear.	Không thể nào
		giải quyết sợ hãi.

1:03:17	Never.	Không hề.

1:03:19	There are various forms of fears;	Có nhiều loại sợ hãi; bạn
		có thể có loại sợ hãi riêng:

1:03:22	you may have your own
	particular form of fear:

1:03:27	fear of death, fear of gods, fear	...sợ chết, sợ thần
	of your wife, fear of your husband,	thánh, sợ vợ, sợ chồng...

1:03:31	fear of the politicians, god knows	...sợ chính trị gia, trời mới
	how many fears humanity has	biết con người có bao nhiêu sợ...

1:03:38	– the devil, and so on.	...ma quỉ, v.v..

1:03:41	What is fear?	Sợ hãi là gì?

1:03:45	Not the mere experience	Không phải chỉ kinh nghiệm
	of fear in its multiple forms,	sợ hãi trong nhiều loại...

1:03:54	but actually, the reality,	...mà là thật sự, thực
	the actuality of fear.	tế, sợ hãi thực sự.

1:04:06	How is it brought about?	Làm sao nó hiện ra?

1:04:09	Why has man, woman,

1:04:14	humanity and each one	Tại sao mọi người, nhân loại,
	accepted fear as a way of life?	chấp nhận sợ hãi như lối sống?

1:04:22	As you accept violence as the way	Như bạn chấp nhận bạo lực là
	of life; violence in the television,	lối sống; bạo lực trên TV...

1:04:34	violence of war,	...bao lực chiến tranh, bạo
	violence of your daily life.	lực trong đời sống hàng ngày.

1:04:41	Why do we accept violence?	Tại sao chúng ta
		chấp nhận bạo lực?

1:04:49	The ultimate violence is	Bạo lực tối cao là vào tổ chức
	to go into organized killing,	giết chóc, gọi là chiến tranh.

1:04:54	which is called war.

1:05:01	Is not fear related to violence?	Sợ hãi có liên quan
		với bạo lực không?

1:05:09	So in inquiring into fear,	Vậy là trong khi tìm hiểu sợ
	the actual truth of fear,	hãi, sự thực của sợ hãi...

1:05:18	not the idea of fear	...không phải ý niệm sợ hãi
	– you understand the difference?	- bạn hiểu sự khác nhau?

1:05:24	The idea of fear is different from	Ý niệm sợ hãi khác với sợ
	the actuality of fear; right? Right.	hãi thực; phải không? phải không?

1:05:34	So what is fear?	Vậy sợ hãi là gì?
	How has it come about?

1:05:37		Nó xảy ra thế nào?

1:05:41	What is the relationship	Sợ hãi liên hệ gì
	of fear to time, to thought?	với thời gian, ý nghĩ?

1:05:58	Fear – one may be frightened	Sợ hãi - có thể bạn sợ ngày mai,
	of tomorrow, or many tomorrows;	hay vô số ngày mai;

1:06:08	fear of death, the ultimate fear;	...sợ chết, cái sợ tối hậu;
		sợ điều đã xảy ra trong quá khứ;

1:06:16	fear of what has happened
	before, in the past;

1:06:24	fear of what is actually	...sợ điều thực
	going on now.	tế đang diển ra.

1:06:29	So we must inquire together

1:06:32	– please, the speaker keeps	Phải cùng tìm kiếm
	on repeating, together;	- người nói tiếp tục lặp lại, cùng nhau;

1:06:39	otherwise it’s no fun	...không thì chẳng vui vẻ
	talking to myself.	gì khi nói với chính mình.

1:06:50	Is fear brought about by time?	Sợ hãi sinh ra do thời gian?

1:07:01	Someone has done something in the	Ai đó đã làm gì tổn thương
	past, hurt you, and the past is time.	bạn, và quá khứ là thời gian.

1:07:17	The future is time.	Tương lai là thời gian.

1:07:20	The present is time.	Hiện tại là thời gian.

1:07:24	So we are asking, is time	Vậy thì, thời gian là tác
	a central factor of fear?	nhân chủ yếu của sợ hãi?

1:07:33	Fear has many many branches,	Sợ hãi có nhiều cành, lá,
	many leaves,	nhưng tỉa cành thì không tốt;

1:07:41	but it’s no good
	trimming the branches;

1:07:46	we are asking,	...chúng ta hỏi vậy
	what is the root of fear?	gốc của sợ là gì?

1:07:54	Not the multiple forms of fear,	Không phải nhiều loại
	because fear is fear.	sợ, bởi vì sợ là sợ.

1:08:01	Out of fear you have	Do sợ chúng ta tạo ra
	invented gods, saviours.	thần thánh, Đấng cứu thế.

1:08:08	If you have absolutely	Nếu chúng ta tuyệt đối
	no fear psychologically,	không có sợ hãi tâm lý...

1:08:16	then there is tremendous relief,	...liền có sự giải tỏa lớn
	a great sense of freedom.	lao, cảm giác tự do bao la.

1:08:22	You have dropped	Bạn đã quẳng mọi
	all the burdens of life.	gánh lo của cuộc đời.

1:08:26	So we must inquire very seriously,

1:08:30	closely, hesitantly,	Nên chúng ta phải tìm hiểu
	into this question:	nghiêm túc, kỹ càng vấn đề:

1:08:35	is time a factor? Obviously.	...thời gian là tác
		nhân sợ hãi? Dĩ nhiên.

1:08:40	Have a good job now, I may	Hiện có công việc tốt, ngày
	lose it tomorrow, I’m frightened.	mai có thể mất, nên tôi sợ.

1:08:47	And I may be married,	Và tôi có thể
	I am frightened.	cưới vợ, tôi sợ.

1:08:54	When there is fear there is	Khi có sợ thì có ghen tức,
	jealousy, anxiety, hatred, violence.	lo âu, hận thù, bạo lực.

1:09:04	So time is a factor of fear.	Vậy thời gian là
		tác nhân sợ hãi.

1:09:13	Please listen to the end of it,	Hãy lắng nghe cho hết, đừng
	don’t say, how am I to stop time,	hỏi làm sao dừng thời gian...

1:09:17	that’s not the problem.	...đó không phải là vấn đề.

1:09:20	That’s a rather	Đó là câu hỏi khá vô lý.
	absurd question to ask.

1:09:25	Time is a factor	Thời gian là tác nhân
	and thought is a factor:	và ý nghĩ là tác nhân:

1:09:30	thinking about what has happened,	...nghĩ về việc đã xảy ra,
	what might happen; thinking.	có thể sẽ xảy ra; suy nghĩ.

1:09:42	Is thinking a factor in fear?	Suy nghĩ là
		tác nhân sợ hãi?

1:09:48	Has thinking brought about fear?	Suy nghĩ sinh ra sợ hãi?

1:09:52	As one sees time has	Bạn thấy thời gian sinh sợ
	brought fear, right? Time.	hãi, phải không? Thời gian.

1:10:01	Not only time by the clock, but	Không phải thời gian đồng hồ,
	psychological time, the inward time:	mà thời gian tâm lý, bên trong:

1:10:12	I am going to be;	...tôi sẽ là; tôi không
	I am not good, but I will be.	tốt, nhưng sẽ tốt.

1:10:25	I will get rid of my violence,	Tôi sẽ bỏ bạo lực,
	which is again the future.	lại cũng là tương lai.

1:10:34	Or, I have been violent,	Hay, tôi bạo lực,
	but I won’t be.	tôi sẽ không thế.

1:10:39	All that implies time.	Mọi cái đó
		hàm ý thời gian.

1:10:44	We ought to inquire, what is time?	Chúng ta phải tìm
		hiểu, thời gian là gì?

1:10:52	Are you prepared for this?	Bạn chuẩn bị chưa? bạn
	Do you want to go into all this?	có muốn tìm hiểu không?

1:10:56	Really? I’m rather surprised.	Thật à? tôi khá
		ngạc nhiên. (Cười)

1:11:05	Because you’ve all been instructed,	Bởi vì các bạn được chỉ
	you’ve all been informed,	dẩn, các bạn được thông tin...

1:11:12	you’ve been all told what to do	...được bảo nên làm gì từ các
	by the psychologists, by the priests,	nhà phân tâm, các giáo sĩ...

1:11:20	by your leaders;	...các lãnh đạo; luôn tìm kiếm
		giúp đỡ và cách được giúp mới

1:11:22	always seeking help and finding
	new ways of being helped.

1:11:32	So one has become a slave to others.

1:11:39	We are never free to inquire,	Nên chúng ta thành
		nô lệ kẻ khác.

1:11:46	to stand psychologically	Chúng ta không hề tự do tìm
	completely by oneself.	kiếm, độc lập tâm lý hoàn toàn.

1:11:56	So we are going now	Vậy chúng ta sẽ
	to inquire into time.	tìm hiểu thời gian.

1:12:05	What is time?	Thời gian là gì?

1:12:08	Apart from the clock, apart	Để sang bên đồng hồ,
	from the sunrise and the sunset,	mặt trời mọc lặn...

1:12:14	the beauty of the sunrise,	...vẻ đẹp buổi bình minh,
	the beauty of the sunset,	vẻ đẹp lúc hoàng hôn...

1:12:21	apart from the light	...để sang bên sáng và
	and the dark, what is time?	tối, thời gian là gì?

1:12:31	Please, if one really understands	Nếu thực sự hiểu điều này,
	this, the nature of time inwardly,	bản chất thời gian bên trong...

1:12:38	you will find for yourself	...bạn sẽ khám phá cho mình ý
		nghĩa lạ lùng của vô thời gian.

1:12:40	an extraordinary sense
	of having no time at all.

1:12:47	We’ll come to that.	Chúng ta sẽ đến đó.

1:12:50	Time is the past, right?	Thời gian là quá
		khứ, phải không?

1:12:53	Time is the future,	Thời gian là tương lai và
	and time is the present.	thời gian là hiện tại.

1:13:00	The whole cycle is time.	Cả vòng tròn
		ấy là thời gian.

1:13:08	The past – your background,	Quá khứ
	what you have thought,	- hậu trường, điều bạn suy nghĩ...

1:13:13	what you have lived through,	...việc bạn trải qua,
	your experiences, your conditioning,	kinh nghiệm, qui định...

1:13:17	as Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,	...như tín đồ Cơ đốc,
	all the rest of it,	Hin đu, Phật giáo, v.v..

1:13:21	or you put aside all	...hay bạn dẹp hết
	that nonsense and said,	sang bên và nói...

1:13:25	I’m going to live this way,	...tôi sẽ sống cách này,
	which is the past.	thảy đều là quá khứ.

1:13:30	So the past is the present, right?	Vậy quá khứ là
		hiện tại, phải không?

1:13:37	Without the past you wouldn’t be here:	Không có quá khứ bạn không
	your background, your conditioning,	ở đây: hậu trường, qui định...

1:13:48	your brain being programmed	...trí óc bị lập trình như người
	as a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist,	Cơ đốc, Hin đu, Phật giáo...

1:13:53	and all the rest of it.	...và mọi thứ khác.

1:13:56	We have been programmed	Chúng ta bị lập
	for two thousand years.	trình đã hai ngàn năm.

1:14:03	And the Hindus for three	Và Hin đu đã ba
	to five thousand years.	hay năm ngàn năm.

1:14:09	Like a computer,	Như máy vi tính,
	they repeat, repeat, repeat.	họ lặp đi lặp lại.

1:14:15	So the past is the present;	Quá khứ là hiện tại; điều bạn
		đang suy nghĩ là từ quá khứ.

1:14:19	what you are now
	is the result of the past.

1:14:26	And tomorrow, or a thousand	Và ngày mai, hay hàng
	tomorrows, is the future.	ngàn ngày mai, là tương lai.

1:14:35	So the future is what you are now.	Vậy tương lai
		là bạn hiện là.

1:14:41	Right? You have understood?	Phải không? bạn hiểu không?

1:14:47	I mustn’t ask you that	Tôi không cần phải
	because it’s up to you.	hỏi vì tuỳ bạn thôi.

1:14:53	So the future is now.	Nên tương lai là hiện giờ.

1:15:00	In the now all time is contained.	Hiện tại chứa cả thời gian.

1:15:06	This is a fact too, actuality,	Đó cũng là thực tế, hiện
	not a theory.	thực, không phải lý thuyết.

1:15:12	What you are	Bạn hiện là quá khứ...
	is the result of the past

1:15:17	and what you will be tomorrow	...và ngày mai bạn
	is what you are now.	sẽ là bạn hiện giờ.

1:15:23	If I am violent now,	Nếu tôi đang bạo lực,
	tomorrow I’ll be violent.	mai tôi sẽ bạo lực.

1:15:30	So tomorrow is in the now,	Vậy ngày mai là hiện
	in the present	giờ, trong hiện tại...

1:15:36	unless I radically, fundamentally	...trừ khi tôi thay đổi
	bring about a mutation.	sâu sắc, tận gốc rễ.

1:15:43	Otherwise I’ll be what I have been.	Không thế thì tôi
		sẽ là tôi đã là.

1:15:49	That is, we have had a long evolution,	Nghĩa là, chúng ta tiến hóa
	evolving, evolving, evolving.	lâu rồi, tiến hóa, tiến hóa.

1:15:58	And we have evolved	Và chúng ta tiến
	to what we are now.	hóa đến hiện giờ.

1:16:03	And if you carry on that game,

1:16:09	you will be violent,	Và nếu tiếp tục trò chơi ấy,
	you will be barbarous next day.	mai bạn sẽ bạo lực, bạo tàn.

1:16:17	So as all time is contained in the now	Cả thời gian nằm trong hiện tại
	– which is a fact, actuality –	- đó là thực tế, hiện thực -

1:16:27	can there be total mutation now	...có thể thay đổi
		toàn diện ngay...

1:16:31	in all our behaviour and our way	...trong mọi hành vi, lối
	of living, thinking, feeling?	sống, suy nghĩ, cảm nhận không?

1:16:37	Not being an American, Hindu,	Không phải người Mỹ, Hin
	Buddhist – none of that.	đu, Phật giáo, không phải.

1:16:47	But if you don’t radically,	Nhưng nếu bạn không thay đổi
	psychologically	tận gốc rễ tâm hồn mình...

1:16:52	bring about a mutation,

1:16:56	then you will be exactly	...thì bạn cũng sẽ y
	what you have been in the past.	nguyên như bạn ngày hôm qua.

1:17:05	So is it possible to bring about	Vậy có thể nào thay đổi
	this psychological mutation at all?	hoàn toàn tâm hồn mình không?

1:17:17	You know, when you have been	Bạn biết đó, khi bạn
	going north all your life,	lên hướng bắc cả đời...

1:17:26	following a particular direction	...theo một đường lối hay
	or not having a direction,	không theo đường lối nào...

1:17:31	just wobbling all over the place,	...chỉ lắc lư ở một
	as most people do,	chỗ nào, như mọi người...

1:17:36	if you are going north	...nếu bạn lên hướng bắc và ai
		đó đi cùng và nói nghiêm chỉnh

1:17:38	and somebody comes along
	and tells you most seriously

1:17:42	and you listen to him seriously,	...và bạn nghiêm túc lắng
	not only hear with hearing of the ear	nghe, không chỉ nghe bằng tai...

1:17:50	but also hearing deeply,	...mà nghe thẳm sâu,
		khi nghe anh ta nói...

1:17:54	when you hear him say,

1:17:56	the way you are pursuing,	...đường bạn đang đi, hướng
	north, leads you nowhere,	bắc, chẳng đưa bạn đến đâu cả...

1:18:02	there is nothing at the end of it;	...không có gì ở cuối đường;
	but go east or west or south.	hãy đi hướng đông, tây hay nam.

1:18:10	And you listen and you say,	Và bạn lắng nghe
	I will do it.	rồi nói, tôi sẽ đi.

1:18:13	When the moment you say, you have	Lúc nói, bạn đã quay sang
	taken a new turn, there is a mutation.	hướng mới, đó là thay đổi.

1:18:20	The speaker is making it very simple.	Người nói đơn
		giản nó như thế.

1:18:25	But it’s a very complex problem,	Nhưng đó thực sự là vấn
	which is:	đề phức tạp, tức là:

1:18:29	to realize deeply that one	...để hiểu ra rằng chúng
	has been going on this way	ta đã đi trên con đường ấy...

1:18:35	for centuries upon centuries	...thế kỷ này sang thế kỷ
	and it has not changed that at all.	khác mà không hề thay đổi.

1:18:45	We are still violent, brutal,	Chúng ta vẫn bạo lực,
	and all the rest of it.	tàn ác, và mọi thứ khác.

1:18:49	If one really actually	Nếu thực sự thấy, không phải
	perceives that,	trí óc hay ngôn từ mà sâu thẳm...

1:18:53	not intellectually or verbally
	but deeply,

1:18:58	then you turn in another direction.	...bạn liền quay
		sang hướng khác.

1:19:04	At that second there is the mutation	Trong giây phút ấy tế
	in the very brain cells themselves.	bào não liền thay đổi.

1:19:10	Because the speaker has discussed	Vì người nói đã thảo luận vấn
	these matters with some neurologists.	đề với vài nhà thần kinh học.

1:19:15	Of course they don’t agree completely,	Dĩ nhiên họ không hoàn toàn
	but they go partially, a way.	đồng ý, nhưng một phần.

1:19:21	It’s always a game, you understand.	Đó cũng là trò
		chơi, bạn biết mà.

1:19:28	We treat life as a game:	Chúng ta xử lý cuộc đời như
	partially right, and partially wrong;	trò chơi: bên đúng và bên sai;

1:19:35	partially correct, and you may	...đúng một phần và bạn
	be right and you may be wrong.	có thể là đúng hoặc sai.

1:19:40	But we never ask ourselves, what is	Nhưng chúng ta không hề tự hỏi
	the way of living, the art of living	về lối sống, nghệ thuật sống...

1:19:51	which is the greatest art,

1:19:54	greater than any art in the world,	...nghệ thuật lớn nhất, cao nhất
	the art of living.	trên thế gian, nghệ thuật sống.

1:20:01	And – quelle heure–	Và - mấy
		giờ rồi - ...

1:20:08	Q: 3:57.	Người nghe: 3 giờ 57.

1:20:12	K: Have I talked an hour?	Tôi nói được một giờ à?

1:20:14	Q: A little more than an hour.	Người nghe: Hơn một giờ rồi.

1:20:17	K: Can you put up with this?	Bạn có thể chịu đựng?

1:20:20		Người nghe: (Cười) Vâng.

1:20:21	We’ll finish this question.	Chúng ta sẽ kết thúc câu
	After that we’ll meet again tomorrow.	chuyện. Rồi mai sẽ gặp lại.

1:20:28	If you are willing,	Nếu bạn đồng ý, tôi không
	I’m not inviting you, it’s up to you.	mời đâu, tuỳ bạn. (Cười)

1:20:39	We said time is important	Nói thời gian quan trọng vì
	because we live by time,	chúng ta sống trong thời gian...

1:20:47	but we don’t live time as a whole,	...nhưng chúng ta không sống cả
	which is the present.	thời gian, nghĩa là hiện tại.

1:20:56	In the present all time is contained:	Hiện tại chứa cả thời
	the future and the past.	gian: tương lai và quá khứ.

1:21:04	If I’m violent today,	Nếu hôm nay bạo lực,
	I’ll be violent tomorrow.	mai tôi sẽ bạo lực.

1:21:09	And can I end that violence today	Và có thể chấm dứt hết
	completely, not partially.	bạo lực ngay, không từng phần?

1:21:20	It can. We’ll go into it.	Có thể. Chúng
		ta sẽ tìm hiểu.

1:21:24	And also, is fear	Và phải chăng sợ
	brought about by thought?	hãi do ý nghĩ sinh ra?

1:21:35	Of course it is.	Dĩ nhiên rồi.

1:21:38	Don’t accept the speaker’s	Đừng chấp nhận lời
	word for it, look at it.	người nói, hãy nhìn xem.

1:21:43	I am this, I am frightened of	Tôi thế này, tôi sợ ngày
	tomorrow, what might happen.	mai, cái có thể xảy ra.

1:21:47	I am secure today, and there might	Tôi đang an ổn, rồi có thể có
	be war, there might be this,	chiến tranh, việc này khác...

1:21:51	there might be catastrophe,	...có thể có
	I am frightened.	tai họa, tôi sợ.

1:21:56	So time and thought	Vậy thời gian và ý
	are the root of fear.	nghĩ là gốc sợ hãi.

1:22:05	So what is thinking?	Vậy suy nghĩ là gì?

1:22:07	You understand my question?	Bạn hiểu câu hỏi chứ?

1:22:13	If time and thought	Nếu thời gian và ý nghĩ là gốc
	are the root of fear	sợ hãi - đó là thực tế - ...

1:22:20	– which they are in actuality –

1:22:24	what is thinking?	...suy nghĩ là gì?

1:22:26	Why do we live, act, do everything,	Tại sao chúng ta sống, hành
	on the basis of thought?	động đều dựa trên ý nghĩ?

1:22:39	The marvellous cathedrals of Europe,	Các Giáo đường tuyệt vời ở châu
		Âu, vẻ đẹp, cơ cấu, kiến trúc:

1:22:44	the beauty, the structure,
	the architecture:

1:22:52	it has been put together by thought.	...được làm ra bởi ý nghĩ.

1:22:58	All religions and their	Mọi tôn giáo với
	paraphernalia, their dress,	các nghi thức, y áo...

1:23:02	all the medieval robes,	...các y áo thời trung
	are put together by thought.	cổ, do ý nghĩ bày ra.

1:23:09	All the rituals are connived,	Mọi lễ nghi do ý nghĩ
	arranged, by thought.	đồng lõa, sắp xếp.

1:23:23	And in our relationship	Và trong quan hệ chúng
	with each other, man and woman,	ta với nhau, nam và nữ...

1:23:29	the relationship is based on thought.	...quan hệ ấy
		dựa trên ý nghĩ.

1:23:37	When you drive a car,	Khi bạn lái xe, cũng
	it’s based on thought.	dựa trên ý nghĩ.

1:23:42	Recognition, all that, is thought.	Nhận biết, mọi
		cái, là ý nghĩ.

1:23:49	So one has to inquire,	Vậy bạn phải tìm hiểu,
	if you are not too tired	nếu không quá mệt...

1:23:55	– and we’ll stop at the end of this –	- và xong việc này
		chúng ta sẽ dừng -

1:23:58	what is thinking?	...suy nghĩ là gì?

1:24:03	Probably nobody has	Có thể không ai
	asked this question.	đặt câu hỏi này.

1:24:07	Very few people do.	Rất ít người làm thế.

1:24:13	We have been asking	Chúng ta đặt câu
	this question for sixty years.	hỏi này đã 60 năm.

1:24:22	What is thought?	Ý nghĩ là gì?

1:24:28	Because if you can find out	Vì nếu bạn không tìm ra
	what is the origin, the beginning,	nguồn gốc, khởi đầu...

1:24:34	why thought has become so	...tại sao ý nghĩ thành ra quá
	extraordinarily important in our life,	mức quan trọng trong đời sống...

1:24:43	there may be in that very inquiry	...có thể chính trong
	a mutation taking place.	tìm kiếm, thay đổi xảy ra.

1:24:50	So we are asking what is thought,	Vậy chúng ta hỏi ý nghĩ
	what is thinking?	là gì, suy nghĩ là gì?

1:24:57	Don’t wait for me to answer it.	Đừng trông chờ tôi trả lời.

1:25:02	Look at it, observe it.	Nhìn đi, quan sát đi.

1:25:07	Thinking is the word; word is	Suy nghĩ là từ; từ quan
	important, the sound of the word,	trọng, âm thanh của từ...

1:25:18	the quality of the word;	...phẩm chất từ; chiều
	the depth, the beauty of a word.	sâu, vẻ đẹp của từ ngữ.

1:25:28	Especially the sound.	Đặc biệt âm thanh.

1:25:32	I won’t go into the question	Tôi sẽ tìm hiểu vấn
	of sound and silence,	đề âm thanh và im lặng...

1:25:36	we’ll talk about it perhaps tomorrow.	...chắc mai chúng
		ta sẽ nói việc ấy.

1:25:43	Thinking is part of memory, isn’t it?	Suy nghĩ là thành phần
		của ký ức, phải không?

1:25:51	Investigate it with the speaker,	Hãy cùng người nói tìm kiếm,
	please,	đừng ngồi đó thoải mái hay không.

1:25:53	don’t sit there comfortably,
	or uncomfortably.

1:26:01	Thinking is part of memory, isn’t it?	Suy nghĩ là thành phần
		ghi nhớ, phải không?

1:26:04	If you had no memory at all, would	Nếu không nhớ gì, bạn có thể
	you be able to think? You wouldn’t.	suy nghĩ không? Bạn không thể.

1:26:14	Our brain is the instrument of memory:	Não chúng ta là công cụ nghi
		nhớ: ghi nhớ việc đã xảy ra...

1:26:24	memory of things that have happened,

1:26:27	experience, and so on,	...kinh nghiệm, v.v..,
	the whole background of memory.	cả hậu trường ghi nhớ.

1:26:35	Memory arises from knowledge,	Ghi nhớ khởi lên từ kiến
	from experience, right?	thức, kinh nghiệm, phải không?

1:26:48	So experience, knowledge, memory,	Kinh nghiệm, kiến thức, ký ức,
	and the response of memory is thought.	và đáp ứng của nó là ý nghĩ.

1:27:04	This whole process of experiencing,	Tiến trình kinh nghiệm, hồi ức,
	recollecting, holding,	ôm giữ ấy trở thành kiến thức.

1:27:13	which becomes our knowledge.

1:27:18	Experience is always	Kinh nghiệm luôn
	limited, naturally.	giới hạn, dĩ nhiên.

1:27:25	Because – it’s a complicated	Bởi vì
	question, because –	- đó là vấn đề phức tạp, vì...

1:27:28	oh, gosh, everything is complicated.	...ồ, này, mọi việc
		đều phức tạp. (Cười)

1:27:35	Is experience different	Kinh nghiệm có khác
	from the experiencer?	với người kinh nghiệm?

1:27:40	Give your brains to this, find out.	Động não lên, tìm xem.

1:27:47	If there is no experiencer,	Nếu không người kinh nghiệm,
	is there an experience? Of course not.	có kinh nghiệm? Dĩ nhiên không.

1:27:56	So the experience and	Vậy kinh nghiệm và
	the experiencer are the same.	người kinh nghiệm là một.

1:28:05	Like the observer and the observed,	Như người quan sát và vật,
		người suy nghĩ không khác ý nghĩ.

1:28:07	the thinker is not separate
	from his thoughts.

1:28:11	The thinker is the thought.	Người suy nghĩ là ý nghĩ.

1:28:15	So experience is limited	Nên kinh nghiệm giới hạn...

1:28:19	as you can observe in the scientific	...bạn có thể quan sát trong
	world or any other field.	lĩnh vực khoa học hay khác.

1:28:24	They are adding more and	Họ cứ thêm,
	more and more every day	thêm, mỗi ngày...

1:28:28	to their knowledge through experience,	...vào kiến thức,
		qua kinh nghiệm...

1:28:30	through experiment on animals	...thí nghiệm trên động vật và
	and all that horror that is going on.	mọi cái khủng khiếp ấy diễn ra.

1:28:37	And that knowledge is limited	Và kiến thức giới
	because they are adding to it.	hạn nên họ thêm vào.

1:28:42	So memory is limited.	Vậy ghi nhớ giới hạn.

1:28:48	And from that memory	Và từ ghi nhớ ấy
	thought is limited.	ý nghĩ giới hạn.

1:28:52	So thought being limited	Ý nghĩ giới hạn đương
	must invariably bring about conflict.	nhiên phải sinh ra xung đột.

1:29:02	Just see the pattern of it.	Hãy xem cái khung ấy.

1:29:06	Not accept what the speaker	Đừng chấp nhận lời
	is saying, that’s absurd.	người nói, thế là vô lý.

1:29:10	He’s not an authority,	Anh ta không uy quyền, ơn
	he’s not a guru, thank god.	trời, anh ta không là đạo sư.

1:29:16	But if we can observe	Nhưng nếu có thể cùng nhìn, ý
	this fact together,	nghĩ và thời gian là gốc sợ.

1:29:20	that thought and time
	are the root of fear.

1:29:26	Time and thought are the same,	Thời gian và ý nghĩ là một,
	they are not two separate movements.	không phải hai chuyển động riêng.

1:29:36	When you see this fact,	Khi bạn thấy thế, thực tế, thời
	this actuality,	gian và ý nghĩ là gốc sợ hãi

1:29:42	that time and thought
	are the root of fear,

1:29:49	time, thought	...thời gian ý nghĩ
	– just to observe it in yourself,	- nhìn trong chính bạn...

1:29:55	not move away from the reality	...đừng chạy khỏi thực
	of it, from the truth of it	tế ấy, sự thực ấy...

1:30:02	that fear is caused by this,	...sợ hãi do nó sinh
	time and thought;	ra, thời gian và ý nghĩ;

1:30:08	to hold it, remain with it,	...giữ đó, ở đó, đừng chạy
	not run away from it,	trốn, đừng biện minh, nó là thế.

1:30:13	not rationalize, it is so.

1:30:18	And then it’s like holding	Và rồi bạn như nắm giữ
	a precious jewel in your hand.	viên ngọc quí trên tay.

1:30:25	You see all the beauty of that jewel.	Bạn thấy vẻ đẹp
		của viên ngọc.

1:30:32	Then you will see for yourself that	Rồi chính bạn sẽ thấy sợ
	fear psychologically completely ends.	hãi tâm lý hoàn toàn chấm dứt.

1:30:42	And when there is no fear
	you are free.

1:30:51	And when there is that total freedom	Và khi không có
		sợ hãi bạn tự do.

1:30:54	you don’t have gods, rituals,	Và tự do toàn diện, không thần
	you are a free man.	thánh, lễ nghi, bạn người tự do.

1:31:03	We’ll continue tomorrow	Nếu bạn không ngại, mai chúng
	if you don’t mind.	ta sẽ tiếp tục. (Vỗ tay)

1:31:12	I don’t know why you clap.	Không hiểu sao
		bạn vỗ tay. (Cười)

1:31:17	Perhaps you are clapping for yourself.	Có lẽ bạn vỗ tay cho chính
		mình. (Cười và vỗ tay)

1:31:28	You are not encouraging	Bạn không cỗ vũ hay
	the speaker or discouraging him.	làm nản lòng người nói.

1:31:34	He doesn’t want a thing from you.	Anh ta không muốn
		điều gì từ bạn.

1:31:43	When you yourself become	Khi chính bạn trở
	both the teacher and the disciple,	thành thầy lẫn trò...

1:31:49	disciple being a man who is	...học trò là người
	learning, learning, learning,	học, học, học...

1:31:54	not accumulating knowledge,	...không thu gom kiến thức...

1:31:59	then you are an extraordinary	...rồi bạn sẽ
	human being.	là người lạ lùng.

1:32:06	May we get up now?	Chúng ta đứng dậy chứ? (Cười)